Camping bb's

[DreadArchangel]

Something has to be done about this situation, its getting beyond a joke now. Come on WG lets see limits imposed on the number of bb's allowed in a battle, they should be treated the same as cv's and dd's.

[Tungstonid]

And you do not use one of the at least two recent topics because...?

[DreadArchangel]

Well thought it was time to give them another reminder, since they seem to be turning a deaf ear, got to keep on them about the situation.

 

Now its not all bb player's  there is some good one's out there no doubt, but its the campers that are ruining their name, as there always seems to be more of them.

[Flid_Merchant]

I can't really answer the question because I don't understand why they do it. I play BBs to get in the midst of the chaos, in fact I dislike manual secondaries because it means my Tirpitz can't shoot at the enemies on either side. But my pragmatic solution would be tapered dispersion, where after 15km or so it goes to crap. But these players don't even seem to want to hurt the enemy, sometimes they just sit in a corner. Maybe there should be a dunce hat camo.

[Lord_WC]

CVs camp, BBs camp, CAs camp, DDs camp, whatever, if you don't like camping go and brawl. Works like a charm btw.

[Tyrendian89]

Well thought it was time to give them another reminder, since they seem to be turning a deaf ear, got to keep on them about the situation.

 

it's not like this problem was new... been there since the start of the game... and WG havent yet come up with a solution

[Durin_VI]

WG should introduce maelstroms or Bermude triangles in sectors with slow or non-movings ships. Cyclones are just the beginning (planes should crash in it) 

 

[_DeathWing_]

More BB whine topics pls

[Naeron66]

Something has to be done about this situation, its getting beyond a joke now. Come on WG lets see limits imposed on the number of bb's allowed in a battle, they should be treated the same as cv's and dd's.

 

Make Torpedoes single use on any ship that did not carry reloads That is one big reason that BBs camp well away from the action, its to avoid places where the wall of skiil may happen.

 

Its noticeable that once all the enemy DDs are out of the game the BBs start getting more aggressive.

[Thracen]

When I play my BB I don't like going first hard in because I know no-one will follow me, support me or even take advantage of the damage I am tanking to hit them back. All the while I die in minutes. I play as aggressively as I can because I'm a CC player and need all the action I can get in my BBs, but in high tiers BBs have such range that you can be outflanked 22km away and still eat crits.

 

As a rule I try and follow my dds in and keep those pesky CCs away while they spot for me. The number that go in smoke up blind us because he was the only person spotting, sit there doing nothing broadside on, eats a torp and leaves me alone with no spotter and smoke for the enemy to close in on me lol. This doesn't happen in my ccs or dds because if my supporting buddies get eaten I have a good chance to run and hide. There is no running or hiding in a BB once you are alone and out of position.

 

Hopefully this has helped illuminate as to why even the more aggressively minded players don't take it to the enemy in their BBs.

[puxflacet]

so your problem is number of bbs or that they are camping?

 

...some players want you to sail right into the whole enemy team and when you refuse to do that you are "camper"

[Marlekin]

On 5-6-2017 at 3:56 PM, puxflacet said:

...some players want you to sail right into the whole enemy team and when you refuse to do that you are "camper"

 

Sadly, yes. 

 

Its not populair, but camping can be a right decision when youre playing this game. Its a bummer to see your teammates not following up when your about to break through a flank, but atleast you have a minimap that shows you what they are or arent up to.

 

I tend to take more offense to the typical lemming train that takes a tour around the map edges, asking you to defend the base while they enjoy the sights. 

 

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[fallenkezef]

Say they get rid of all BBs tomorrow.

 

The next day we'll see a whine thread about camping cruisers.

 

 

[DreadArchangel]

Never said get rid of them mate, but treat them like cv's or dd's limit the number of them in game.

[MudMonkey]

Don't you guys worry. Soon the brit BBs will be here. With radar. No one will play them because they dont have smoke as well. This is for sure part of WGs masterplan to reduce the BB population.

[puxflacet]

Don't you guys worry. Soon the brit BBs will be here. With radar. No one will play them because they dont have smoke as well. This is for sure part of WGs masterplan to reduce the BB population.

 

are you competing for some trophy for sarcasm?

[MudMonkey]

Moi? I am just here watching the show.

 

[fallenkezef]

Never said get rid of them mate, but treat them like cv's or dd's limit the number of them in game.

 

BBs ARE limited

[Ferry_25]

Lol. I was "accused" of camping in a match tonight. Was on Okinawa. I wanted to push but the caps were infested with DD's. Every time I wanted to go in, I had to torpedobeat. Proud to say none hit me. And I was playing the lightning fast, lean and mean Friedriech! Nailed a proud RN cruiser in the process as well. And he was so safe in his smoke....

[IceyJones]

 

BBs ARE limited

 

yes.....24 per match

[G3Virus]

Lol. I was "accused" of camping in a match tonight. Was on Okinawa. I wanted to push but the caps were infested with DD's. Every time I wanted to go in, I had to torpedobeat. Proud to say none hit me. And I was playing the lightning fast, lean and mean Friedriech! Nailed a proud RN cruiser in the process as well. And he was so safe in his smoke....

 

I like to play my Missuri a LOT, just got it but anyway Im mostly a DD player so I play this thing like its a fast Cruiser,  i prefer being on the frontline if my team allows it, meaning they dont all camp at the rear.

 

In one domination game  on Two Brothers map the enemy had 5 ships on our side, two DD's in cap and mix off Crusiers and BB's outside of it.

I used the island on the right lower side of the map that was closest to the cap to face them bow on, killed two ships and radared there DD's so ours could shoot them.

After I killed two of 5 ships I was told to stop camping, well Im sitting just out side of cap so the only thing closer to the enemy would be our DD's.

Yea I intentionally pushed in the cap, killed on ship and was nuked by torps from DD's and Crusiers hiding (was out of radar), then I asked if this what he wanted.

Basically told him I did two kills, knew exactly how many enemy's there where and that we where winning but the time to rush the cap had not yet come since I could not see all the ships due to smoke and islands and I did not have enough support to yolo 3 ships at once but I could pick them off in a few minutes one by one from my very good position I had acquired.

He actually apologised for being "hasty" in is "judgement" of the situation after I told him to study the minimap closer.

Anyway I knew we where gonna win anyway since I already had done more them my part to secure a sure win, but its fun being called a camper being at the very front line in your BB just to have the same player apologise hehe.

 

 

In another game  I was accused of camping in My Missuri by another BB player in a Kurfurst.

The enemy team all went and took A cap, I went trough C cap, we tock it, I went to B cap and used radar a few times to drive the DD's away then I caped it and at this point we where leading and holding them off just fine.

I then ended up sitting  2-4km away from the enemy.

The B cap has 4 islands so I ended up facing bow to them and they had to go between two islands full broadside, yea an IOWA tried that and got plenty of  citadels 

Minotaur also failed somewhat, radar takes smoke at 4km easy so he ate some to but dam do they heal fast if they dont die instantly.

Eventually  the enemy ships killed me by grinding me down but not until I killed some and citadeled them plenty.

Back at C cap that we took earlier sits our Kurfurst and now where loosing, so I tell him to move to B because there's nothing at C, the frontline is at B.

Well I was told I was camping in B cap so why should he not camp in "C" cap LOL.

The enemy team where ALL coming from A cap trying to take B so none at C.

Yea on thing to "camp" 2km from the enemy with gun barrels  inches away from there broadside being useful then "CAMPING" at C behind everyone else in a Kurfurst unable to hit anything for the islands covering B and C cap.

Anyway as soon as I was dead my team totally fell apart since the enemy now could get trough to B cap and start pushing and everyone in my team tried solo to "push" and the enemy just killed them one by one as they came out of hiding in C cap.

 

 

In a later game I also played my Missuri, went down to A cap, was an island there so I could face the cap  bow on but have some torpedo protection, I radared two DD's at least two times in the cap, our DD's then could take the cap once we dealt with the DD's.

But there where a few annoying Cruisers and BB's there hiding behind an islands like 13km from the cap and I had to tank, wanted to radar the DD's as much as possible, we won the cap after all.

Our Kurfurst was at the B line behind everyone else, I told him to come and help out because he was not hitting anything from there and those Cruisers could just run wild.

Then he told me I was camping, yea sure camping IN the cap, I actually had my bow in it so was down on D or E line, I was told by him that he sure had been down to D or E line to, yea he probably was and did a U turn as soon as I radared the first DD LOL!

Anyway he explained that he will get more XP then me doing what his doing and that was the measure of a "good" player.

Well letting team players die just so you can get better XP, well thats just being a "d*ck".

I knew I helped my DD's, I dont get XP for being on the front line, and I cant farm XP/DMG being dead tanks to campers like that.

W/R is everything because nothing else matters, either you win or you lose more then other players, only W/R counts if you play "competitive", no one cares about 100K average damage if you only win 45% of the time and yea I have found players like that, reminds me of the CV player that had just such stats and was bragging to everyone how much they sucked because they had less average damage then him

 

 

The funny thing is in all those games I either was the only BB at the frontline or the only ship at the frontline, so the people calling me a camper where usually two grids behind me.

A lot of players dont know what camping is in WOWS any more I have noticed.

 

Anyway the word "camper" in WOWS seems to mean being "stationary".

Being Stationary IF you are in a good position is not a bad idea, but being "stationary" or even moving at the very back doing little to no damage, not tanking with the rest of the team, offering no support and not denying the enemy thats the REAL definition of "Camping" in WOWS but some players seems to have a different take on that.

 

Camping = Sitting at the very rear of your team offering the very minimum of support and therefore minimum chance of a win.

 

I have also been called a camper by BB players when I play Khaba, had a game I won with 2625 base XP and I have over 60% W/R in that boat, far above anyone else in my team.

Went up against One Kurfurst, two montana, one Hindenburg and one Udaloi and Des Moins I think, anyway I sunk one Udaloi and one Montana I think.

I could not take C cap, despite my Yamato thinking a single Khaba can take the cap when there's two Cruisers and one DD in it, apparently all DD's are so sneaky no one can see them and btw Im suppose to cap when they sit in it? This Yamato player dont seem to know the rules of the game....

Anyway I figured I cant cap so lets make sure they cant leave C cap, that I did, lots of torp hits and fires later.

Denying them movement from C cap almsot guaranteed us A + B cap so maybe I did not cap but I made sure that we had caps as a result.

All of there T10 BB's sate behind one island above C cap, If they wanted to get out they would eat torps and sure they did so every meter they gained cost them HP.

But 6 VS 1 means taking a lot of damage so I had to fall back at the end behind an island to heal up but my team had by then secured A and B cap with little resistance and we only lost one ship if I recall, the ANGRY Yamato.

Because my team was holding B with force they spotted for me and I kept healing and firing my guns from cover the last few minutes of the game.

Anyway I torped Hindenburg, didn't kill him but he eventually grew tired of me and just ran off and the remaining 4 ships, Montana and Kurfurst etc actually started running in reverse back to C because, hey we where like 10-11 ships against 4 ships now.

Still Yamato wrote angry messages to me when I got back to port about me not capping, not spotting etc etc I obviously spotted, 6 ships since I engaged them my self for most of the game and we had more suitable DD's for caping anyway and they did just fine.

Had to use google translate to get an idea of what he was saying, I then welcomed him to my Blacklist for Cry BBaby's hehe.

Well I just went against exactly half there team solo and had a DAM good game and still got reported because his not happy because only he died hahahaha.

I made it EASY for the rest of my team and for that I get reported and called names, yea some people.

 

There are a lot of campers in this game, Im not one of them but some people are just stupid and BB players especially dont know what camping is, they expect that every other class can cap and stealth there way around everywhere and do miracles while the BB players just sit back.

 

Some of my BB's has detection ranges equal to Cruisers and some DD's as so poor concealment its more in line with a Cruiser.

But you know when some on calls you a camper when you play a certain boat, they have no idea about that line of ship or that particular boat but instead generalise all ships in one class as being equal, so it sees more about there knowledge of the game then yours.

[Kaput_Mundi]

Camping BB = inacceptable cowardice

 

[EsaTuunanen]

Its noticeable that once all the enemy DDs are out of the game the BBs start getting more aggressive.

That's Trump's sh*t!

Balless Boats hide at max range afraid of paint getting scratched no matter if last enemy DD sinked minutes ago or there's only one or two of them in first place with own DDs well positioned for spotting enemy DDs and torps.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

WG has a solution. Radar on bbs. (no troll emo on mobile)

[Prospect_b]

That's Trump's sh*t!

Balless Boats hide at max range afraid of paint getting scratched no matter if last enemy DD sinked minutes ago or there's only one or two of them in first place with own DDs well positioned for spotting enemy DDs and torps.

 

Exactly.

 

Doesnt matter if there is cv or dd or whatever.

It is just a mob of cowards who want one of them to take the lead so they can all cower behind him while being safe themselves.

And if nobody wants to be "that guy", well, then nobody moves and you get a clusterfck of cowards sniping from max range while the dds go kill themselves and the cruisers are forced to stay behind as well because they will be focused once spotted.

 

Typical herd mentality. Herd of battlesheep.