Is a USN CA/CL split just brain spin and rumors? or real plans?

[hgbn_dk]

I have been wondering about this for some time now. So have the dev's been talking about this or is just wishful thinking??

 

My wish for a line up

 

CL's

Tier V Omaha class

Tier VI Brooklyn class

Tier VII St.Louis class (improved Brooklyn) USS Helena would be good bet to avoid confusion with the T-III St.Louis

Tier VIII Cleveland class

Tier IX Fargo class

Tier X Worcester class

CA's

Tier V Pensacola class

Tier Vi Northamton class or Portland class

Tier Vii New Orleans class

Tier VIII Baltimore class

Tier IX Oregon City class

Tier X Des Moines class

 

Please notice NO NEED for fantasy paper ships to fill out both lines

[dasCKD]

Pensacola at tier 5 will be completely overpowered.

[hgbn_dk]

No it wouldn't it would be the only Tier 5 without torps

 

[SV_Kompresor]

No it wouldn't it would be the only Tier 5 without torps

 

 

Oh yeah....that'll balance it

[Aotearas]

Pensacola at tier 5 will be completely overpowered.

 

Aye.

 

Tier VI is the lowest at which I'd see a Pensacola remotely working and even then you'd have to roll back a couple buffs to her since her 10x203mm guns would outclass everything in her tier bracket (IJN tier VI Aoba only has 6x203mm for example). Or perhaps scrap the Pensacola entirely and replace it with a more fitting ship for tier VI if necessary.

[hgbn_dk]

A big citadel with powerful guns.. Dps can be balanced. slower reload etc..

[hgbn_dk]

Furutaka has 6 x 203mm and 8 x 10 km torps..  So 10 x 203mm would be nice to counter the torps..

[dasCKD]

A big citadel with powerful guns.. Dps can be balanced. slower reload etc..

 

Have you seen what a Pensacola AP does to tier 5, 6, or even 7 cruisers?

[rvfharrier]

You want Kumas, Phoenixes, Danaes and Karlsruhes going up against the Pensacola. What kind of monster are you?

 

[hgbn_dk]

Yes I have and like I wrote Dps can be adjusted to fit the tier. atm the moment the Pensacola is the worst T-VII cruiser

[rvfharrier]

atm the moment the Pensacola is the worst T-VII cruiser

 

* citation needed

[hgbn_dk]

You want Kumas, Phoenixes, Danaes and Karlsruhes going up against the Pensacola. What kind of monster are you?

 

 

They already face 203mm by the Furutaka...

[El2aZeR]

So have the dev's been talking about this or is just wishful thinking??

 

It has been long since confirmed, but it won't happen this year apparently.

 

Tier VI Brooklyn class

 

Tier V Pensacola class

 

You're insane, aren't you old chap?

There is imo little need to split the line before T6 anyway. Heck, even a split at T7 would be fine.

[Trainspite]

It has been planned for some time, since a problem is the Cleveland at tier 6, the CL equivalent of Baltimore which should ideally be a tier 8, but is at tier 6 because reasons. However, WG are being fairly slow about doing it, as there are other priorities, and Cleveland has had the shite nerfed out of her from CBT god tier levels.

 

As for your tree, I disagree with Pensacola at tier 5. She has very good guns for a tier 7, and 10 of them to boot. USN 8" AP is something not to be sniffed at. She is a thoroughly decent ship where she is, helped out by the concealment buff she got. Simply put, Pepsi would need a 30s reload to be balanced at tier 5, her firepower is so great. No torpedoes doesn't hurt Pepsi much at tier 7 anyway. Having 10x 8" at that tier is an obvious advantage over the other CAs beside Myoko which have 8 or 9.  A lot of people also put her or Northampton at tier 6, which I don't like either. Both have the firepower to do well at tier 7, and tiers 5 and 6 should be kept to the smaller Heavy Cruisers, of which the USN did not have any. 

 

Oregon City is a Baltimore clone effectively, and there does not need to be a tiers difference between them. Same goes for Cleveland & Fargo. Worcester is arguably worse than or equal to Neptune in game, and hence should be a tier 9.

 

My views on the split are as thus:

- 9x 6" CL at tier 6, of USN CL lineage with torpedoes.

- 7x 8" CA at tier 6, a design inbetween Omaha & Pensacola historically. Speed of Omaha, guns of Pensacola, an ideal fit between them.

- Vallejo is Worcester with 3 Triple turrets firing at 15RPM+ compared to the 12RPM 6 Twins she actually had.

- Buffalo is in the game files, basically CA-B was a Baltimore with an extra turret. This design had torpedoes for a time during development.

 

 

 

 

[Sander93]

You want Kumas, Phoenixes, Danaes and Karlsruhes going up against the Pensacola. What kind of monster are you?

 

 

​Probably wants revenge for the long time the Pensacola kinda sucked before the recent buffs.

[Panocek]

 

Have you seen what a Pensacola AP does to tier 5, 6, or even 7 cruisers?

 

​Considering cruiser citadel protection barely improves with tiers up, American Piercing shells can work against tier 10.

 

That said, Nipponese 203mm aren't far off penetration wise, losing only in ricochet angles. Yet no one sets their arses on flame when they see Furutaka.

[hgbn_dk]

I can not see why paper fantasy ships has to be present in every single line of ships in this game..... Used ships built and adjust the DPS instead of making made up ships....

[creamgravy]

  The split of the US cruiser tree will definitely not occur this year.

 

 

1. The first versions of the tech trees aren't perfect, craphappens. Changes of the trees, as happened with VMF and IJN DDs are a lot of work that few people need - those who finished them already don't tend to re-play it, and there aren't many new players - so the only planned change to existing branches is the USN cruisers fix.

 

 Some time next year hopefully.

 

[El2aZeR]

Used ships built and adjust the DPS instead of making made up ships....

 

Because that worked out so well for Mogami...

If a paper ship fits the tier and nation with no alternatives available then it has a place in this game. Pensa is NOT a viable candidate for T5 and likely not even T6.

[hgbn_dk]

Oregon City and Fargo can not just be called lightly modified Baltimores and Clevelands... All stuff above main deck is different.. The waist 5/38 guns are lowered to main deck, super structure is completely different to improve AA arches, yes the carry the same amounts of main and secondary guns 

[Trainspite]

I can not see why paper fantasy ships has to be present in every single line of ships in this game..... Used ships built and adjust the DPS instead of making made up ships....

 

Well, then we could make Yamato a tier 5 as well by giving it a 2 minute reload. It's a more extreme case, but it falls into the same category as moving Pepsi down that far.

 

Oregon City and Fargo can not just be called lightly modified Baltimores and Clevelands... All stuff above main deck is different.. The waist 5/38 guns are lowered to main deck, super structure is completely different to improve AA arches, yes the carry the same amounts of main and secondary guns 

 

Not really. Superstructure and visual differences. Maybe a slight difference in HP and AA DPS. So very minor in game purposes. A Hipper/Eugen situation, only with regular ships. It is up to WG how to distinguish them, but it is not advisable to take two very very similar ships and put them at different tiers.

[NyronGT]

They already face 203mm by the Furutaka...

 

Not with 'Murican Piercing ammo. Pepsi would pretty much annihilate every cruiser on t5.

[eliastion]

Furutaka has 6 x 203mm and 8 x 10 km torps..  So 10 x 203mm would be nice to counter the torps..

 

Yeah, sure, 67% more firepower is perfecly balanced out by lack of occasionally useful secondary weapon 

[philjd]

Brooklyn @ T6, 15x 6"..... ouch

[fumtu]

Tier VI Brooklyn class

 

You will put cruiser with 15 6inch guns at T6. Wow and I thought that WG have problem with balancing.