Japanese cruisers obsolete?

[killer999death]

So I used to love playing Japanese cruisers 'back in the day not every other cruiser had smoke screens and hydro search' and when stealth fire was a thing but now that I play them they feel.....weak and very boring to play compared to USSR or RN cruisers.

Is it just me or has the introduction of new cruiser tech trees which have 'Unique features' turned the IJN Cruisers in a poor state in gameplay and match impact?

 

 

[Trainspite]

Not really. The Japanese cruisers are still very very good at burning ships to the ground, and are arguably better balanced than some of the other lines. 

[dasCKD]

The IJN cruiser line is still probably the most balanced cruiser line in the game. They aren't the best at anything, but they could do fine in all situations. There's really no issue with the IJN cruisers as they stand.

[Panocek]

So I used to love playing Japanese cruisers 'back in the day not every other cruiser had smoke screens and hydro search' and when stealth fire was a thing but now that I play them they feel.....weak and very boring to play compared to USSR or RN cruisers.

 

Is it just me or has the introduction of new cruiser tech trees which have 'Unique features' turned the IJN Cruisers in a poor state in gameplay and match impact?

 

 

 

Not really. Yes, new cruisers have more toys at their disposal, but none of them actually combines high concealment, good speed and brutal HE into one package.

[Ferry_25]

And like I said often: don't forget the in potential devastating AP: you'll devour mid-close range BS-laying cruisers!

[LetsRockAndRoll]

Myoko turret rotation speed could do with a buff ( a la Mogami ). Other than that they are still ok.

 

[Exocet6951]

And the torpedoes.

Don't forget the torpedoes.

 

They might not always be the easiest the use, but damn, 8-10 torpedo salvos per side can wreck so much.

[Aragathor]

And the torpedoes.

Don't forget the torpedoes.

 

They might not always be the easiest the use, but damn, 8-10 torpedo salvos per side can wreck your team so much.

Fixed that for you. I love second-line snipers.

[fallenkezef]

Bear in mind RN sacrifices HE in return for smoke. I see those Jap cruisers spamming HE with envious eyes at times

[Sidian42]

I see those Jap cruisers spamming HE with envious eyes at times

 

Once you learn how to play the RN cruisers, you won't miss HE at all. Just look up a few RN cruiser guides or how-to-aim tutorials and enjoy your 4-10k damage salvos every 7.5 seconds. 

 

 

For me, IJN cruisers are the "solid" cruiser line. They have no outstanding feature, but their biggest weakness (bad AA) rarely matters, and they have good DPM (even incredible in case of the 155 Mogami) plus good concealment plus the best cruiser torpedos in the game.

[Kazomir]

I feel IJN cruisers should have both Sonar and AA Panic ability.

 

None of both should be outstanding or special, but they should have both.

[HyoukaYukikaze]

Bear in mind RN sacrifices HE in return for smoke. I see those Jap cruisers spamming HE with envious eyes at times

 

I would trade HE on my IJN Cruisers for sAP and smoke anytime tbh.

 

PS. To stay on topic i'd say IJN cruisers are mostly fine,  but i wouldn't mind a minor buff for tier 6 Aoba,she has too little going for her after Furutaka buff imho.

[dasCKD]

I would trade HE on my IJN Cruisers for sAP and smoke anytime tbh.

 

Imagine the Zao's 203 mm with SAP 

[Comrad_StaIin]

 

Imagine the Zao's 203 mm with SAP 

gon B crap 

Zao AP easily rips 10k dmg holes into BBs or even higher

 

CAs are out of question

[dasCKD]

CAs are out of question

 

 

Hindenburg with SAP and smoke. Completely balanced.

[fallenkezef]

Grass is always greener on the other side. RN get sap because they only have 6inch guns. If we had our 8inch heavy cruisers they would not hsve sap or smoke

[Sidian42]

I feel IJN cruisers should have both Sonar and AA Panic ability.

None of both should be outstanding or special, but they should have both.

 

Imo the german cruisers should have both (because their sonar is something special already, seems weird to give it up because CVs are more dangerous in higher tiers than torpedos, it's like a Moskva not using radar).

 

Grass is always greener on the other side. RN get sap because they only have 6inch guns. If we had our 8inch heavy cruisers they would not hsve sap or smoke

 

​Not necessarily. The USN CA AP also has better autobounce angles with 203mm guns - and the shorter fuse timers are the "replacement" for HE against DDs (as well as against angled ships so you can still deal damage to the superstructure).

I prefer "sAP" over HE all day.

[HyoukaYukikaze]

Grass is always greener on the other side. RN get sap because they only have 6inch guns. If we had our 8inch heavy cruisers they would not hsve sap or smoke

 

Grass is not greener on the other side if you are on both sides

 

 

Imo the german cruisers should have both (because their sonar is something special already, seems weird to give it up because CVs are more dangerous in higher tiers than torpedos, it's like a Moskva not using radar).

 

Exactly because German Hydro is better a case might be made they shouldn't have both. Having both consumables weaker is better justification for having both than having one of them better than any other nation.

Hydro has way more uses than simply detecting torps, pushing into smokes for example is way more dangerous without it. CVs might be a denger, but they are not present in every match, so imho upgrading AA or taking DF is pointless, unless you queue in division with CV.

[Pivke]

im waiting for the new page to open.

otherwise my brilliant comment will just get overlooked

[Sidian42]

Exactly because German Hydro is better a case might be made they shouldn't have both.

 

Good players often use AA defense instead of hydro because they can't get close enough in high tier matches anyways and CVs are far more dangerous. They don't profit from the better hydro at all. As i said, it's like a Moskva or Des Moines not using radar, and the german cruisers are in a worse shape than IJN cruisers atm because of the BB meta.

[bigbramble]

 

I would trade HE on my IJN Cruisers for sAP and smoke anytime tbh.

 

PS. To stay on topic i'd say IJN cruisers are mostly fine,  but i wouldn't mind a minor buff for tier 6 Aoba,she has too little going for her after Furutaka buff imho.

 

I've been playing Furutaka post buff on NA and I am wondering why 'upgrade' to Aoba and receive worse MM?

[killer999death]

Bear in mind RN sacrifices HE in return for smoke. I see those Jap cruisers spamming HE with envious eyes at times

 

Bare in mind RN has faster reload times, the AP shells they have deal just as much if not more damage VS battleships AND they get 3 consumable slots since tier 6 while IJN cruisers get it at tier 9

 

EDIT: Not to mention RN have smoke, hydro and repair at the same time cause why the hell not

[VC381]

Japanese cruisers are still very, very good at what they do. Not all lines need unique tricks to be good, Japanese cruisers are the best example of something that is fairly vanilla and strong without being OP. The comparison to RN cruisers is complete apples and oranges, you can't decide between two things that are so different which is truly "better". Ultimately it's a matter of preference.

[HotshotJimmy]

Just because IJN doesnt have the toys doesnt mean they dont work well. HE + speed + torps is a great lot. They work well, there are no ships I underestimate in any game these days. If someones in an IJN ship I know they are going to be good.

[TITANIC_131]

IJN CA's could really use better torps in higher tier in my opinion since the RN navy is pretty much on par with IJN cruisers on that aspect while they also have far superior fyring arcs, and it's the IJN CA's that are suppost to be known for having good torps? r u kidding? 

 

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