Cruiser discussion

[Zaat_2014]

I'm going to hold off on my ranting and try to be calm about this.

 

I think with the current BB meta, we are seeing one sort of ship pushed out of use except at competitive and low tier play: cruisers. My frequent thoughts are when playing them- how is this supposed to carry when it is a support ship and smoke and the prevalence of BBs make pushing impossible? How can it be expected of one cruiser (and in t8- t10 I see a lot of just BBs and DDs) to take on all the numerous battleships, which if he makes one mistake, can one shot it? How can something like the Mogami win when she has to show broadside to at least two enemy BBs, which if they are t7 or higher, can one shot her? With the rarity of CVs, being AA specced is now even more useless, thus making cruisers that bit more irrelevant. 

 

I think it might be even worse in Japanese cruisers until you get to the Zao because you are very reliant on your stealth and fire raising chances to do any good in terms of overall damage and kills. Admittedly, I do understand that a radar cruiser or something like the Minotaur is still a very powerful asset to have, but I just feel from what I have played and what I have seen, cruisers are starting to become a deadweight for the team. I'm sure if MM allowed it, we'd have 7 BBs and 5DDs facing up against one another they are that rare.

 

So are cruisers, besides competitive and specialised ones, becoming a redundant ship?

[loppantorkel]

Maybe are they support-ships. Can be fun too. I get a lot less XP when I play that role than a kiting one though.. Maybe more xp for support tasks?

[Zaat_2014]

Maybe are they support-ships. Can be fun too. I get a lot less XP when I play that role than a kiting one though.. Maybe more xp for support tasks?

 

I can't say for certain, but I think XP mostly comes from capping and kills, then damage then spotting. Seeing as cruisers don't really get too many kills unless on DDs or late game is they survive, they seem to be getting a raw deal.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

l2p m8

[shamelesscreature]

 

I can't say for certain, but I think XP mostly comes from capping and kills, then damage then spotting. Seeing as cruisers don't really get too many kills unless on DDs or late game is they survive, they seem to be getting a raw deal.

 

Capping has given very little XP since 0.5.12 (1 full cap = 1/3 ship worth of damage). Kills (1/5 ship worth of damage) are a nice bonus but you still need to do relative damage to get good results. Source.

[mtm78]

l2p m8

 

Since I play almost exclusively BBs for a long time I don't see the problem of BBs.

 

Cya

 

​Tsk tsk tsk 

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

Just give more credits and XP to cruisers. And less credits and XP to BB's.

 

I would say +50% for cruisers and -50% for BB's

[Tekacko]

Cruisers with smoke = Fine

Cruisers without smoke (especially stuff like Mogami, Hipper) = obsolete.

 

Your AA isn´t needed.

Your Hydro isn´t needed, because everyone plays German BBs which have Hydro themselves.

 

Couple this with low range (Mogami, NO), crappy maps (Okinawa, Tears of the Desert) and you might as well go back to port because you will be just a spectator in that game.

 

How does it go? You join in a TVIII cruiser, you get a TIX - TX MM (as always) on a crappy open map. BBs snipe each other from 20km (and they turn AWAY from each other), which means you have no chance of getting in range and opening up because you are going to get immediately focused by all the BB potatoes, who need only point and click and take off half of your HP.

You can´t contest caps/push into them for the same reason, the moment a DD detects you, you will eat crap. The team with the better DDs wins, since BBs will never push caps and cruisers simply can´t.

 

Your only hope is divisioning with a DD who will babysit you with smoke, or playing something OP, like a Kutuzov or a Belfast.

 

[Zaat_2014]

I should add that I think cruisers don't have carry potential, where every other class of ship does. Which is weird because they are the most numerous :/

[mtm78]

I should add that I think cruisers don't have carry potential, where every other class of ship does. Which is weird because they are the most numerous :/

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/80048-i-keep-seeing-it-being-called-the-passive-meta/page__st__40__pid__1820700#entry1820700

 

Are you sure about your claim of cruisers being more numerous

 

Jezus... 

[1000guns]

Which is not weird because they are the most numerous wrecks in the bottom of the WoWs sea

there, I fixed it for you

[RUSSIANBlAS]

No issues in Shchors at the moment...

 

Although BB meta massively harms any non sniping Cruiser.

[Skurfa]

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/80048-i-keep-seeing-it-being-called-the-passive-meta/page__st__40__pid__1820700#entry1820700

 

Are you sure about your claim of cruisers being more numerous

 

Jezus... 

 

He may have referred to real life?

 

Anyway, after a long time of not playing BB's, and giting gud at CL/CA's (to some extend) I've brought out the Gneisenau and Colorado for this campaign..... and goddamn, it's hillariously easy to kill off cruisers..... It's so easy I most of the time shoot at them, even with BB's closer to me, easy damage, easily removal of 6-12 guns from the game...

[Zaat_2014]

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/80048-i-keep-seeing-it-being-called-the-passive-meta/page__st__40__pid__1820700#entry1820700

 

Are you sure about your claim of cruisers being more numerous

 

Jezus... 

 

There are 6 complete cruiser lines in the game, that's what I meant. Why would I say one thing then contradict myself?

but you know great job jumping to conclusions. 

[mtm78]

There are 6 complete cruiser lines in the game, that's what I meant

 

Communication goes better if you just say what you mean instead of 'implying' it ;)

[tenacious_torps]

Seeing as cruisers don't really get too many kills

 

Annoy BBs by using stealth to stay safe, only shoot at max range to kill secure until the BB overpopulation has darwined down, then add some legit frags on top. In this meta that's a rational playstyle, alas I have trouble in the curbing aggression department more often than not. 

[Odo_Toothless]

Cruisers with smoke = Fine

Cruisers without smoke (especially stuff like Mogami, Hipper) = obsolete.

 

Couple this with low range (Mogami, NO), crappy maps (Okinawa, Tears of the Desert) and you might as well go back to port because you will be just a spectator in that game.

(...)

 

 

You are a very good player but I think You underestimate some cruiser carry potential.

Solo from last 1 month period, most games IX-X. Balti/Des with 15.8 range only. Style: straight close the nearest cap zone no matter what in most cases - even on open maps when faceing BB wall. WSAD and in some extent island hack used.

 

Mayby in case of WR it's pure luck/mayby not, but surival rate is anyway high. Learning process was often unforgiving but in the end I am no longer worry of how many and which ones BB are in enemy team. I am more worry about DD torps or Soviet's fantasy speed gunboats.  Most games I live until the last clock tick, firing guns non stop. Priority target: DD and British CL.

 

Des Moines				26 games	73.08% WR	77,448 DMG			0.9	Ship	50%	Survival
Baltimore				20	65.00%	76,687			1.1		75%
New Orleans				34	73.53%	63,741			0.9		56%

 

 

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

 

 

​Tsk tsk tsk 

 

Oh It's mister nolife with 14k posts on this so irrelevant forum. So sad some people literally have nothing better to do than post all day long here.

[mtm78]

 

Oh It's mister nolife with 14k posts on this so irrelevant forum. So sad some people literally have nothing better to do than post all day long here.

 

You feel sad, I understand. Being shown what you are must be hard on you

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

 

You feel sad, I understand. Being shown what you are must be hard on you

 

Yes mtm It's that kind of sadness and pity when you see someone wasting all his time posting on this forum all day every day.

[loppantorkel]

Terrible time to grind the Yorck

 

[mtm78]

Yes mtm It's that kind of sadness and pity when you see someone wasting all his time posting on this forum all day every day.

 

Maybe he can multitask better then you, never know right. What is pretty clear though is this....

 

l2p m8

 

Since I play almost exclusively BBs for a long time I don't see the problem of BBs.

 

Cya

 

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[tenacious_torps]

 

Yes mtm It's that kind of sadness and pity when you see someone wasting all his time posting on this forum all day every day.

 

He might just type faster than you. Having both hands available tends to do that for you. Anyway, argument lost by ad hominem, always the exit of choice for the not quite so classy. Not that this wasn't obvious already by your prior contributions to this thread, but it's still a bid sad. 

[jure_eruj]

Why are we surprised by the "brilliance" of WG's mission planning? They tend to screw them all up, so did you really expect anything else with this one? BBs everywhere, playing cruiser in most games I can't do crapbecause the moment I am detected I have 5-6 BBs aiming at me. So, I joined the BB pussy ranks, I camp behind, playing like a typical BB douche and I am waiting for this idiotic hunt for Bismarck to be finished.

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

 

Maybe he can multitask better then you, never know right. What is pretty clear though is this....

 

 

Cruisers are my second most playable class. Here you can replay to this so you get +1 post. It's not like you have anything better to do anyway I bet.