cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #1 Posted May 20, 2017 Release 20 missions that can be completed only by playing BBs. #JustWGthings 8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] NoMoreAngel [SPUDS] Players 6 posts 11,827 battles Report post #2 Posted May 20, 2017 Something you won't expect, I had a lot of fun in a very strange match yesterday: 11BBs +1 Midway per Team. For some unknown reason my team also has shown some great Teamplay and didn't yolorush or camp in the back. Time to make this a gamemode! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] ThePurpleSmurf Players 2,554 posts Report post #3 Posted May 20, 2017 Something you won't expect, I had a lot of fun in a very strange match yesterday: 11BBs +1 Midway per Team. For some unknown reason my team also has shown some great Teamplay and didn't yolorush or camp in the back. Time to make this a gamemode! Have to fill the slots with something that no hated DDs can join the battle i guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Pekoe_Darjeeling Weekend Tester 2,385 posts 10,008 battles Report post #4 Posted May 20, 2017 Since I play almost exclusively BBs for a long time I don't see the problem of BBs. Cya Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #5 Posted May 20, 2017 Hypocrisy intensifies. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #6 Posted May 20, 2017 All these ships are hunting the Bismarck. . 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] ItachiZero Beta Tester 462 posts 11,979 battles Report post #7 Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) All these ships are hunting the Bismarck. . wow Edited May 20, 2017 by ItachiZero Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] lup3s Players 5,744 posts 32,893 battles Report post #8 Posted May 20, 2017 All these ships are hunting the Bismarck. . Seems like it's time to take out my Shima Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #9 Posted May 20, 2017 Seems like it's time to take out my Shima nah, those matches are reserved for BB vs BB only (Sadly ) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
havaduck ∞ Players 2,989 posts 11,824 battles Report post #10 Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) Hm was thinking about taking out the Zao, but the prospect of either getting shít on by 10-11 other BBs or/and to top it off a carrier of any tier is a pretty damning prospect ...... Edited May 20, 2017 by havaduck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken_Jedi Players 849 posts 2,954 battles Report post #11 Posted May 20, 2017 Wow.... things weren't that bad even during the Tirpitz launch where the world and their dog were queueing in them. Wargaming are going to have to do something pretty drastic to change the class populations at this rate. As much as I want to see the Royal Navy BB's I have to say we need to have a few more DD or CA lines before that to try and get people playing something other than BB's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #12 Posted May 20, 2017 Wow.... things weren't that bad even during the Tirpitz launch where the world and their dog were queueing in them. Wargaming are going to have to do something pretty drastic to change the class populations at this rate. As much as I want to see the Royal Navy BB's I have to say we need to have a few more DD or CA lines before that to try and get people playing something other than BB's. Not even that would help, people will keep playing the existing BB's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyFara Players 1,091 posts 2,423 battles Report post #13 Posted May 20, 2017 Un-nerf IJN DDs. And throw 2 in all-BB games (1 on each side). Have them have the farm of their life 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] AgarwaenME Beta Tester 4,811 posts 13,808 battles Report post #14 Posted May 20, 2017 Well the reasons should be obvious. Things that can counter BBs gets continually nerfed while BBs gets buffs to make them very capable of countering the ships that were supposed to be able to counter them. Thus BBs are now universally usable in nearly any circumstance while so many other ships are hardcountered in many circumstances. Just look at how "special" BBs get treated. Where CAs and DDs have to pay hefty opportunity costs for getting extra abilities (like using repair on high tier russian DDs, or radar on RN CLs or similar), BBs just gets them extra (like KM BB sonar) or at a very neglible cost (missy losing catapult planes to get radar). If BBs had to lose something actually valuable these additions could be balanced, but they don't have to. BBs were plenty popular (always at the top end of ship types played) even before nerfs and before there were a wider selection of BBs to play, so it's no wonder they keep getting even more popular. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[R-D] SexyCroat Players 734 posts 18,675 battles Report post #15 Posted May 20, 2017 no m8 this is NOT a BB heavy meta, if WG says it isnt, it ISNT Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #16 Posted May 20, 2017 Seems like it's time to take out my Shima Against Bismarcks and a T9 CV? Good luck getting any torpedoes hits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[HMSR] Major_Damage225 Beta Tester 2,875 posts 7,295 battles Report post #17 Posted May 20, 2017 300+bb's in cue, lool, oh how i would love to have the old fubuki right about now, (10+bbs-1cv x 1shima = ) cant wait to finish work, grab the helm and Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #18 Posted May 20, 2017 The amount of Hoods WG has sold at £90 means we are well and truly screwed... The BB Apocalypse has arrived and now there's only pockets of DD and Cruiser resistance. Although what I can see happening is this will ruin the game as the casual wallet warriors will get bored and the experienced players become disillusioned by WGs awful balance and management. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken_Jedi Players 849 posts 2,954 battles Report post #19 Posted May 20, 2017 (edited) As I mentioned in another threat just a while ago, there needs to be a hard cap on the number of BB's in the game alongside worthwhile and viable improvements to CA/CL survivability in order to help draw people to other classes. One thing to me is clear, people cried and whined until the maps were so full of tears and salt that sea levels rose and we had nothing but the "Ocean" map because all the islands were submerged because CV's were "cancerous" or "OP". You take away the main counter to large BB's and this is what you get, BB's operating smacking every other class down with near impunity in the hands of even an average player... Nerf BB AA into the ground, make them vulnerable and make people realise that sometimes it's better to play a cruiser with good AA than a big floating torpedo magnet which historically couldn't protect itself against anything but other BB's. Then WG in their wisdom gave them Hydro and Radar for the lols... because hey why bother with support vessels to spot and screen for you. Edited May 20, 2017 by Drunken_Jedi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #20 Posted May 20, 2017 I don't actually think Cruisers need any more buffs at all. Cruisers perform as they should when MM is sensible. Just a reduction in BBs is needed... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #21 Posted May 20, 2017 This is actually a good development. We all know by now that WG are unwilling to do anything about it, so the only thing that can force their hand is BBs going to throttle the life out of the game. Let's make it easy for them, let's all get into BBs exclusively. I have been saying this month ago already, I seriously think I was on the right track there. It's completely useless to make helpful suggestions on mechanics, MM and whatnot, when the issue isn't perceived as actually being one by the relevant people. Which, among other things, means to them it's not severe enough to warrant any action. Therefor the only rational course of action, if you strongly disagree, is to escalate the issue until it's impossible to overlook any longer. When I look at today's MM we've made some big steps ahead in that regard, so keep pushing. (You know, that thing BBs seem completely incapable of doing before a battle is already lost...) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EmilyFara Players 1,091 posts 2,423 battles Report post #22 Posted May 20, 2017 [...] Then WG in their wisdom gave them Hydro and Radar for the lols... because hey why bother with support vessels to spot and screen for you. You forgot that they also strapped 2 Gearings to their sides. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Drunken_Jedi Players 849 posts 2,954 battles Report post #23 Posted May 20, 2017 I don't actually think Cruisers need any more buffs at all. Cruisers perform as they should when MM is sensible. Just a reduction in BBs is needed... However to draw people away from BB's they most likely need to feel like their ship isn't going to get deleted in a single salvo, having a heal might go someway... even if it's more psychological than it actually is in game. Otherwise, people will continue to play nothing but BB's and even with the caps the queue times will just get longer and the overall percentage of people playing BB's will stay the same. There has to be a reason for them to play the other classes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #24 Posted May 20, 2017 I don't have problems with class balance, just class distribution. Tier 8 CA's perhaps need a heal, you see avg damage increase dip there while it spikes for BB's. Overall though, CA's are fine. BB's are also fine in general, there are just way to many. You can't balance this with buff's and nerfs, WG has tried and failed. What they should do is just impose a limit on numbers just like CV's. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tenacious_torps ∞ Players 1,373 posts Report post #25 Posted May 20, 2017 I don't have problems with class balance, just class distribution. Tier 8 CA's perhaps need a heal, you see avg damage increase dip there while it spikes for BB's. Overall though, CA's are fine. BB's are also fine in general, there are just way to many. You can't balance this with buff's and nerfs, WG has tried and failed. What they should do is just impose a limit on numbers just like CV's. Yes, agreed. And posted something along the same lines for months. And more and different ideas on how to approach the overpopulation. But that's really missing the point, isn't it? It's blatantly obvious that something needs to be done, just not to WG's devs. So what we really need to debate is how to change that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
