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Hey guys,

 

I have had a couple of great games with my Scharnhorst, right after I bought it. Now, I have played like 20 games, and I can't win anymore. Can't pen cruisers, can't cap, because enemy always has the cap first, I get set on fire, my teammates all die, and I just can't win with the Scharn anymore. 

 

Why is this always the case with WG games? Just like my Skorpion G, the first couple of games you just CANNOT LOSE, but after about 8 games, you will LOSE everything. Ik have a 33% winrate with my Skorpion G, and with my Scharn, 40%. Before it was 56%...........

 

Is there any explanation for this? I don't play it differently then before, but now I just  can't win anymore. 

Last Scharn game, all 3 caps lost, and they lost 2 vessels, en we lost 8 vessels.....

 

Ronald


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Also, you're getting about the winrate you deserve for your performance in the Scharnhorst (and substantially better for most other ships...)


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Yes, instead of winning 6 out of 10 games, you win 4 out of 10 now. Two wins difference.

 

With only 20 games that is not uncommon.

 

My theory: You are a drama queen who needs attention.


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Average damage too low, end of story.


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Error 404 sample size not found.

 

^ This. You've simply played far too few games to have any sort of time for a meaningful pattern to establish itself. Short term winning and losing streaks will always happen, wait longer for a long term pattern to develop.


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Your average damage is low, and your survivability isn't too great either.

 

Are you the first into the fray and focused down quickly? Do you change ammunition type to match the target?


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I have had a couple of great games with my Scharnhorst, right after I bought it. Now, I have played like 20 games, and I can't win anymore.

scharnhorst is out of fashion. gotta buy the hood to start winning again.


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Wow ..that's what i call a wallet warrior :B (had to look up sorry)

As a "Horst" owner i can tell u its not the ship. How about some Tutorials/Vids/Guides on how to play?


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Hey, I won 1 game in my Kamikaze R, then I lost the following game. Did they nerf it in between the two games?


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Hey, I won 1 game in my Kamikaze R, then I lost the following game. Did they nerf it in between the two games?

 

Sneaky devils! :ohmy:

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Yes clearly the Scharnhorst has been nerfed, i mean i lost a game the other day because i wasn't carrying hard enough, i mean why should i lose when in a T7 match i had a Kraken, a Confederate and a close quarters expert and two devastating strikes, 120k of damage and was steaming into Cap's at will.
I mean its not fair that i was focused down by the CV and 2 surviving BB's (and a cruiser but he died to a double citadel as he was shooting HE at me) because i deserved to win, i mean its not like i was the biggest threat or anything its just the Scharnhorst

 

/sarcasm

 

 


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First game in Scharn for weeks...

 

Scharn_Win.jpg

 

Use HE at longer ranges, then switch to AP when you are 12km or closer.

 

Stay angled, upgrade secondaries and profit...


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Same mate same.  When ive bought Alabama i had 3 wins... Now i have all loses usually.  They only want our money,  thats it. 


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First game in Scharn for weeks...

 

Use HE at longer ranges, then switch to AP when you are 12km or closer.

 

Stay angled, upgrade secondaries and profit...

 

Disagree on the HE, AP works fine at long/mid range. Wouldn't really recommend firing HE at all in the Scharnhorst.

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Disagree on the HE, AP works fine at long/mid range. Wouldn't really recommend firing HE at all in the Scharnhorst.

 

I used to think that way, an Italian R1 winner in Scharn advised me to consider HE with her.

 

Obviously it's not a hard and fast rule but notice the amount of derps at longer ranges in Scharn. It makes sense to spam HE along with your cruiser allies at longer ranges rather than hoping for one good salvo. 

 

At closer ranges Scharn AP behaves a lot more like conventional BB AP but at long distance they lose a lot of power and accuracy. 

 

The game I've just won used a balance of the two, 6 fires, 3 citadels and almost 100k damage without torpedoes speaks for itself...


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Hey guys,

 

I have had a couple of great games with my Scharnhorst, right after I bought it. Now, I have played like 20 games, and I can't win anymore. Can't pen cruisers, can't cap, because enemy always has the cap first, I get set on fire, my teammates all die, and I just can't win with the Scharn anymore. 

 

Why is this always the case with WG games? Just like my Skorpion G, the first couple of games you just CANNOT LOSE, but after about 8 games, you will LOSE everything. Ik have a 33% winrate with my Skorpion G, and with my Scharn, 40%. Before it was 56%...........

 

Is there any explanation for this? I don't play it differently then before, but now I just  can't win anymore. 

Last Scharn game, all 3 caps lost, and they lost 2 vessels, en we lost 8 vessels.....

 

Ronald

 

Your problem OP is that you are trying to buy wins with premium ships...your grinding is abysmal and obviously converting premium experience to get through the tiers. As you can see it doesn't work like that.  You have played less than 10 battles in the US BB grind from T4 to T8 :amazed: with over 20 (hardly played) premium ships you seem to be searching for the ship to guarantee you wins in every battle!. 

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I am far from the best player in the world, hell feel free to look at my potato stats (still learning), but we do have a similar amount of games played. Question is how the hell did you get to tier 8 with so few games played in lower tier games :o I am no where near getting a tier 8 yet.


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I used to think that way, an Italian R1 winner in Scharn advised me to consider HE with her.

 

Obviously it's not a hard and fast rule but notice the amount of derps at longer ranges in Scharn. It makes sense to spam HE along with your cruiser allies at longer ranges rather than hoping for one good salvo. 

 

At closer ranges Scharn AP behaves a lot more like conventional BB AP but at long distance they lose a lot of power and accuracy. 

 

The game I've just won used a balance of the two, 6 fires, 3 citadels and almost 100k damage without torpedoes speaks for itself...

 

Scharnhorst guns are horribly inaccurate at any range no matter what ammo type, but I'd rather play for an accurate ~5k salvo on a long range BB than assume an inaccurate salvo and settle for less damage with a poor fire chance. A Scharnhorst shouldn't be at long range long enough to need to consider changing ammo type, if a target is a poor choice for AP it's better to simply look for something else to shoot while you close the distance to what you're actually going to be damaging for real. Your secondaries will set plenty of fires later!

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This game is about experience and skill, not having the biggest ship or the thickest wallet. Get experience, develope skills, and you will see that you might have more success in a tier 4 cruiser than in a tier 7 battleship.

"Power means nothing, without controll!"

The demands on player skills and experience raise drastically with the tiers, and players who skipped the grind, ignoring the fact of required experience for higher tiered games are the plague of this game, ruining the game for themselves and all the team that depends on them and their role in the battle.

"With great power comes great responsibility!"

Leave behind your urge for buying bigger and "better" ships. Even a 20perks captain on a Yamato wouldn´t do you any favour, since you, by all respect, lack the skill and experience to use it´s potential.

Winrate doesn´t mean anything, if your wins are achieved by others, who need to carry you through their match, since you are of no use for your team.

 

The Scharnhorst in particular, is a very powerfull, but very specialised ship. Making use of it´s potential, requires a lot of experience, knowledge and skills, something you might yet lack at this point of your WoWs career, no offense intended...


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Same mate same.  When ive bought Alabama i had 3 wins... Now i have all loses usually.  They only want our money,  thats it. 

 

Are you suggesting you expect to get handed wins just for buying a premium?

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Scharnhorst guns are horribly inaccurate at any range no matter what ammo type, but I'd rather play for an accurate ~5k salvo on a long range BB than assume an inaccurate salvo and settle for less damage with a poor fire chance. A Scharnhorst shouldn't be at long range long enough to need to consider changing ammo type, if a target is a poor choice for AP it's better to simply look for something else to shoot while you close the distance to what you're actually going to be damaging for real. Your secondaries will set plenty of fires later!

 

20% fire chance is pretty good... You obviously don't snipe and only fire when far away whilst closing in. 

 

Plus a low damage fire starting salvo is still just as viable as a 5k AP one. Since you're part of a team, either the HE fire spamming cruisers will get them to burn their DCP or you will which will let others exploit the burn.

 

Go and try it as I used to be a hard core believer in AP only on BBs but there is definitely a time and a place to shoot HE.


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Go and try it as I used to be a hard core believer in AP only on BBs but there is definitely a time and a place to shoot HE.

 

Ishizuchi agrees

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You are just on a losing streak.

 

 

I personally have been on that same losing streak since 10/01/2016. But my hopes is it will be over  tomorrow.


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Ishizuchi agrees

 

Ish is the only BB where the HE and AP ratio can be turned on its head. HE spammer predominately as low tier ships have such awful armour & fire protection. Games become one big fat fire trolling session :great:

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