WG, could you please take a look at Texas + Colorado?

[Mr_Burke]

I hope you see this topic here WG. Also please consider making a reply, or at least drop me a PM.

 

Yes, premium Texas got superior AA compared compared to New York. Texas also got better 3rd turret firing angles. And from what I understand it should also have a little bit petter torpedo proection (how much better torp protection in %?)

So where is the sacrifice? Yes, you made Texas slower than New York (like USS BB's arent slow enough), you also gave it worse rudder time (to avoid torps / incoming fire)

The way I see it, you made the survivability worse for Texas compared to its NW variant.

Given how rare you see a CV in EU servers, the buffed AA will not come in handy for maybe as much you would like to to. It's like playing Cleveland 24/7, hoping you'll encounter planes the whole time. Which just doesnt happen.

 

So...Texas is a premium and cost money. It coosts 20 euro. Do people really buy this BB and skipping NW? What are the stasticis for how well Texas is doing + how well does it sell compared to the other premiums?

 

Now for Colorado. So we got a 50.100hp ship with hull b. Lets take a quick look at Colorao competition BB at same tier:

Gneisenau 58.200 hull b.
Nagato 65.000 hull b.
Scharnhorst 56.300

Quite a big difference yes. I know Colorado can heal up with repair party quite a bit. But is that really the counter for Colorado's lower hp?

Before the german BB line came, Colorado's AA was beastly (heck it still is) But now it seems Gneisenau has detroned Colorado in AA power?

 

Also since Colorado is a tier VII, it can suffer alot. If you spawn at bad sport beginning, you are screwed. Since you are unable to catch up with your team, if they all decide to go for lets say the two cap zones furthest away from you. If the team you're sailing with all dies and you then bail and escape, how will you escape? At this tier, everything is much faster than you.

Your only choise is to stay and fight vs. a bunch of ships.

I know from historical point of view, Colorado only did 21kn. So if you still want to maintain that, what other thoughts are there?

How are the statistic for Colorado playerbase compared to same tier BB's? Do you think Colorado has reached a peak, where it doesnt need any changes?

 

There is a good chance, I have missed a few points about my above thoughts. And everyone are welcome to share opinions in replies. But WG, please take the time to read all this and help me out.

[loppantorkel]

https://eu.warships.today/vehicles

Texas seems to perform quite well. I haven't tried it myself though.

[iJoby]

Downed 26 planes in this game Thursday.

Nothing wrong with the Texas , I play Texas, NY, Mexico, all great ships. NY has better range than Texas, but AA not so Good.

[Mr_Burke]

So you're paying 20 euro, just to get a better AA platform in Texas compred to New York?

[hgbn_dk]

No you're paying 20,-€ for its ability to earn more credits and train captains.. Better AA is just a bonus

[Srle_Vigilante]

So you're paying 20 euro, just to get a better AA platform in Texas compred to New York?

 

No you're paying 20,-€ for its ability to earn more credits and train captains.. Better AA is just a bonus

 

Yup pretty much what he said. What is a problem though is the Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen Clone.

[Tyrendian89]

 

 

Yup pretty much what he said. What is a problem though is the Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen Clone.

 

not really... nothing forcing you to buy that... want the ship for historical reasons, as a credit/XP farmer, because you enjoyed the Hipper a lot or any combination of those? Ask yourself whether those reasons are worth the asking price to you... Where's the problem?

[Srle_Vigilante]

 

not really... nothing forcing you to buy that... want the ship for historical reasons, as a credit/XP farmer, because you enjoyed the Hipper a lot or any combination of those? Ask yourself whether those reasons are worth the asking price to you... Where's the problem?

 

Nobody forcing me yea, but im just saying how bad of a deal the Prinz Eugen actually is. Would you buy it i wouldnt..

[hgbn_dk]

Colorado is a good ship if you keep in mind that its a brawler not a sniper..The nearer you gets to the other team the more dangerous you become. keep the ship good angled against other ships and you can tank a lot of damage.. Yes she is slow but rugged.

[Tyrendian89]

 

Nobody forcing me yea, but im just saying how bad of a deal the Prinz Eugen actually is. Would you buy it i wouldnt..

 

no - the reasons dont add up to 40€ or thereabouts for me either. So I didn't and won't buy. But why would that be such a big problem? Would you rather see the game flooded with even more pay2win ships that are straight up better than their tech tree counterparts? I know I wouldn't... so I'm fine with the Eugen being as unattractive to most as she is

[ColonelPete]

@Burke

 

If you are that interested, why do you not look up the stats yourself?

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2017/04/29 ]
Nation	Class	Tier	Name	Win	Damage	Kills/Battle	Survival
US	BB	5	New York	47.32	28.617	0.57	38.90
JP	BB	5	Kongo	48.93	31.433	0.64	39.72
KM	BB	5	Koenig	49.88	33.683	0.75	40.67
JP	BB	5	ARP Kirishima	50.38	36.611	0.80	41.01
JP	BB	5	ARP Hiei	50.42	33.080	0.72	37.47
JP	BB	5	ARP Kongo	51.71	35.567	0.78	39.22
JP	BB	5	ARP Haruna	52.14	34.329	0.76	38.23
US	BB	5	Texas	53.45	41.534	0.89	43.75

 

Player Average for Ships [ at 2017/04/29 ]
Nation	Class	Tier	Name	Win	Damage	Kills/Battle	Survival
KM	BB	7	Scharnhorst	52.62	51.387	0.97	37.50
KM	BB	7	Gneisenau	48.88	43.335	0.76	36.07
JP	BB	7	Nagato	48.27	47.717	0.73	39.99
US	BB	7	Colorado	47.89	44.177	0.69	41.60

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/20170429/eu_week/average_ship.html

 

 

[loppantorkel]

Best tier 5 bb and it's not powerful enough for a premium, and in another thread people are complaining about premiums being too OP.. Must be tough to balance.

[hgbn_dk]

Actually the order on the top list is reversed somehow

[hgbn_dk]

But the interesting part of the top list, is the different win rate on all the Kongo variants since those ship have the exact same performance. So in theory they should be exactly he same numbers..

[PseudoMi]

I remember how my non-AA-specced Texas got my record of downed planes (41). No skill, no clicks, no wasd, just sitting on water minding my bussiness 

 

[hgbn_dk]

Just RNG

[jss78]

About Colorado, I have about 150 Random games in it + lots of Ranked in it, and I never felt it needed any help. Strong ship in range bracket  a BB mostly does her day job in (8-15 km for me). The slow speed makes her slightly tricky to run, but I find it's only occasionally a real problem.

 

Server stats for the past two weeks seem to show the same -- and time frame is probably important, with all the buffs the Colorado's received. Tier 7 tech-tree BB's are actually looking remarkably balanced:

 

 Gneisenau Germany 83,197 50.93% 45,942 1,054 1.3 0.8 2.4 37% 27% 10%
 Nagato Japan 40,945 50.19% 49,850 1,123 1.3 0.8 1.2 41% 24% 0%
 Colorado USA 36,124 50.04% 47,270 1,065 1.3 0.7 1.1 42% 24% 0%

 

Texas, dunno. She's the best T5 BB stat-wise, but so a premium "should" be.

[dasCKD]

What is a problem though is the Admiral Hipper and Prinz Eugen Clone

 

The problem is that she is an INFERIOR Hipper clone. I would be willing to give up her superior AA any day if they bought down the turning radius of the Prinz to parity with the Hipper.

[tenacious_torps]

Now for Colorado. So we got a 50.100hp ship with hull b. Lets take a quick look at Colorao competition BB at same tier:

Gneisenau 58.200 hull b.
Nagato 65.000 hull b.
Scharnhorst 56.300

Quite a big difference yes. I know Colorado can heal up with repair party quite a bit. But is that really the counter for Colorado's lower hp?

 

Yes.

[iJoby]

So you're paying 20 euro, just to get a better AA platform in Texas compred to New York?

 

I never said I paid for it bro, but I would if I had to.

In a lot of T4/5/6 games you will get 1 and sometimes 2 CV's a game, will this bother a Texas player? No, will your team CV players use the Texas to drag their planes back to if they are chased by enemy fighters? Yes.

If you are grinding for the US ships, then I would recommend buying the Texas once you are competent at T4/5, without doubt, she can earn you lots of XP and credits on your journey.

[TheCinC]

Texas, as the stats show, is a pretty great ship.

Even I have a great winrate with her, over 66 % and doing above average damage, despite being only an average, or maybe a little above average, player.

 

As for Colorado, she is not that bad.

She is a few points behind the other BBs in her tier, yes.

I had a kind of love/hate relationship with her while grinding through the US BB line, but in the end, she has her strengths, and if you play her well, she is not a bad ship.

Mostly, she just pales by comparison with NC and above.

But calling for a buff will only lead to people asking for buffs to other ships, etcetera.

I think she is close enough to average that there is no pressing need for a buff.

[BrettMRC]

I quite enjoy the Colorado - despite being given dire warnings etc.

 

Even took it for Ranked (and I acknowledge I am by no means even halfway good at this game) and got some surprising results.

 

It excells at deleting cruisers in its opening salvoe (RNG!)

[hgbn_dk]

 

I never said I paid for it bro, but I would if I had to.

In a lot of T4/5/6 games you will get 1 and sometimes 2 CV's a game, will this bother a Texas player? No, will your team CV players use the Texas to drag their planes back to if they are chased by enemy fighters? Yes.

If you are grinding for the US ships, then I would recommend buying the Texas once you are competent at T4/5, without doubt, she can earn you lots of XP and credits on your journey.

 

Can only second this.

 

Texas was my first real premium ship, won the 2 first ARP a Kongo and a Myoko when the first round of ARP was out, but they are not real premiums.

This ship was my primary cash maker for quite some time. Bought more premiums since, but the Texas is still one of my favourite ships. If you fully spec for AA you can get the AA rating to 74.

A solid investment you won't regret

[iJoby]

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If you fully spec for AA you can get the AA rating to 74

 

You can get AA to 80.

[hgbn_dk]

You can get AA to 77.

 

Is it because of the Steven Seagall who sounds like he is bored or tired??