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Talk me out of buying the... BELFAST! (Bought Horst and the Saipan already)

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You have now failed me twice in a row but I'm desperate with Belfast available at a 50% discount. It can't be that good or fun to play without heals and torpedoes, right?

 


 

You failed miserably with the Horst so this is your opportunity to redeem yourselves. This time it's the Saipan that's on sale and you need to talk me out of buying one. I'm not a huge fan of carriers, but I have one and soon to be two tier X ones. Already at tier IX it's sometimes annoyingly hard to find a game and tier X is pretty much for the specialist carrierers, so in the future a premium low tier carrier might be useful for missions and playing with friends. Because you failed me with the Horst I now have a tier 7 premium, so getting one is not so important anymore and WG haven't exactly been behaving recently, so it's no your job to talk me out of getting the Saipan.

 


I've kind of been looking at tier 7 premiums for a while now, because my friends like to play lots of tier 7 and since my frenchie graduated to t8 I only have the anime princess myokos and the fiji I kept for one reason or another at that tier. I have 26k+ doubloons (had a MAJOR oopsie when I bought doubloons last year) I only use for buying premium (never converted xp etc.) and sometimes premium ships.

 

I already have more than enough wallet warrior ships; Warspite, fujin/kami, tirp (which is a nice ship but I simply can not get a win in it), Miss and a bunch of the smaller ones. I really don't NEED any more, but I'm also interested in Belf and perhaps Saipan.

 

However, I'm a vocal opponent of RPF and unequal treatment of the server clusters so I've been boycotting WG and not making any purchases for over 6 months now. The weekend special with 30% off of the 'Horst is challenging my resolve so you people need to help me stay strong until tuesday morning. I mean the Spee isn't epic even if it can be a bit of fun and it's basically the same thing as the 'Horst, right? I also liked the Gneise except for the guns and the 'Horst is supposed to have smaller ones and bigger is better when it comes to guns, right? Right?

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Ye, the Sharn is a nice brawler. It works great with secondary build. I use mine with my full spec secondary Bismarck captain. But it lacks when up-tiered (T9 games).

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Shiny Horse was a fun ship in the last ranked season when all the ships were t-7.   If modded right you had great secondaries with a +7km range.   The smaller guns are a liability against other bb's but still shread everything else.   If you want to go head to head with other bb's just go straight at them, letting your secondaries join the battle and then wen in range use your torps.   

 

Its a very fun ship imho.   Outside of ranked you have to consider mm in your playstyle.  If you get in a t9-7 match, you become a heavy cruiser instead of a bb and you need to play it that way or you will get melted.

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334 battles and a 60% solo wr later, and i can say that the scharnhorst was worth the purchase. 20 sec reload on main guns, good all round armour package, 30kts and decent aa/secondaries. When this ship is top tier its almost unstoppable. Decent credit earner also.

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 Talk me out of buying the Horst

 

 

How about: "Burn your wallet if you have to, leave no supplies to the enemy comrade"? 

 

 

But it lacks when up-tiered (T9 games).

 

Imho still better to have than be in a T9 cruiser.

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 You have Fiji, its a good ship so i heard, Myokos are decent too, so you have some ships to play with, but if you want a BB then wait for Hood, it will be the only BB that will be pretty much immune to CVs due to def AA consumable, Shinyhorse has good AA but it still struggles against highre tier ones. The discount on it wont come for a while, thus you will be saved of trouble for fiew weeks that might make you change your mind or grind a Nagato, Colorado or Gneisenau.

 Shinyhorse might be more of a batlecruiser do to its gun calibre, but its shotgun dispersion is a real clusterf*ck, atleast on Hood with its 15' guns you will feel more like playing a BB.

 Then consider that a next premium will have even more features to it, that will make it better than existing counterparts, or the fact that it might get some kind of a nerf due to them screwing something up real bad that they will change the policy of not  nerfing prems.

 Hope i helped, and raised some things to think about.

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Sorry, no can do. Scharny is awesome.

 

C'mon man I can see from your signature that we should be on the same side of the boycott fence.

 

Concerning the other comments, I'm fundamentally opposed to being top tier, it just doesn't happen to me. If the 'Horst is no good at the bottom of the food chain that's definitely something to consider.

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Horst = very good ship if in good hands.

This said:

- Your horst against a colorado/nagato who knows his ship = your horst sunk most of the time.

- Against tier 8-9 it will struggle to reach the average server's performance benchmark, especially if your team fails fast

- You are still an incredible ship against cruisers -> but if you end up against 5 other BB and 5DD you will have a hard time to be performing at unicum level.

 

Just my 2 cents

 

just to add given OP's criteria of ending up bottom tier.

- Hood = No good at all against tier x

- Horst = Acceptable provided there are cruisers to citadel + being able to stay away and spam He at opposing tier 9 BB

 

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In case you don t play German ships, don t buy it. Main purpose of premium ships is captain training.

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Well after one or two more battles i will have researched every single German ship in the game so I have a few. However, since the elite captain xp was invented the nationality of premium ships largely ceased to matter - which was an uncharacteristically generous move from WG (and thus probably accidental) at least for hardcore grinders with high level captains.

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However, since the elite captain xp was invented the nationality of premium ships largely ceased to matter - which was an uncharacteristically generous move from WG (and thus probably accidental) at least for hardcore grinders with high level captains.

 

Yes and no.

Sure you don't need a premium ship of every nation anymore, but on the other hand the more premiums you have of nations where you also have one or more 19 point captains the easier it is to churn out elite captain XP.

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Having premiums of course helps, but just getting daily wins on the ships they specialize in gets you lots of elite xp if you have a few 19-pointers. I was genuinely surprised when i first heard of the current system, since captain retraining must have been a pretty good moneymaker (and to an extent still is, but probably somewhat less so).

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Alright then.

 

Don't buy the Scharnhorst. It's a terrible ship anyway, just look at it, so ugly not even the Fatherland wanted it around. And the guns mate, Scharnhorst didn't even hit BB puberty yet. Still wet behind the rudder and I bet it doesn't even have shells on its bottom half of the hull yet. Also in full-on identity crisis. Can't decide if it wants to be a really fat cruiser, the biggest overgrown DD ever or a really skinny BB.

 

Just don't.

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And the guns mate, Scharnhorst didn't even hit BB puberty yet. Still wet behind the rudder and I bet it doesn't even have shells on its bottom half of the hull yet.

 

AOs "dirty talk". :trollface:

 

 

Can't decide if it wants to be a really fat cruiser, the biggest overgrown DD ever or a really skinny BB.

 

 

"The told me I could be anything I wanted - so I became  everything at once; with a pricetag ofc"

 

 

 

 

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I've kind of been looking at tier 7 premiums for a while now, because my friends like to play lots of tier 7 and since my frenchie graduated to t8 I only have the anime princess myokos and the fiji I kept for one reason or another at that tier. I have 26k+ doubloons (had a MAJOR oopsie when I bought doubloons last year) I only use for buying premium (never converted xp etc.) and sometimes premium ships.

 

I already have more than enough wallet warrior ships; Warspite, fujin/kami, tirp (which is a nice ship but I simply can not get a win in it), Miss and a bunch of the smaller ones. I really don't NEED any more, but I'm also interested in Belf and perhaps Saipan.

 

However, I'm a vocal opponent of RPF and unequal treatment of the server clusters so I've been boycotting WG and not making any purchases for over 6 months now. The weekend special with 30% off of the 'Horst is challenging my resolve so you people need to help me stay strong until tuesday morning. I mean the Spee isn't epic even if it can be a bit of fun and it's basically the same thing as the 'Horst, right? I also liked the Gneise except for the guns and the 'Horst is supposed to have smaller ones and bigger is better when it comes to guns, right? Right?

 

I can't think of one reason not to recommend the Scharnhorst, it is simply the best premium ship for its tier you can buy for money while also having the most pleasurable gameplay experience. 

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Every time I'm tempted of buying something to WG I remember all the things they've done to this very promising game in the last two years and happily keep my wallet closed.

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Leningrad and Blyskawica are good choice too ~.

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But she's so GOOOOOOD. 

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Best I can do is that it is possible to be terrible with her, if you suck.

Just checked my stats with her, only 7 games, in part due to 33% winrate.

Also, she is tier VII, while many missions require tier VIII or above, so she is one of many premiums I don't play often, because I am getting nowhere with the stupid missions.

 

Other than that, I'd say go for it.

If she fits your play style, or if you're just a better player than me (yeah, like that is tough), get her on the cheap and stick it to WG that way.

They will still make a profit, but less than when you had bought her full price, or would have done so at a future date.

I for one am most unhappy with RPF, and have been very vocal about that, but was very pleased with Sub_Octavian popping in recently and his promise to come back in the future.

Also, the suggestions thread that I started has been stickied, making it easier for us to provide suggestions to WG.

That is a shimmer of hope, that communication can be improved, which I think is the main underlying problem here.

So I got the cheapest Duca d'Aosta package, just the ship, and will be happily spending money on HMS Hood next Thursday or so.

So you won't be getting any whining from me if you break out your wallet for this one.

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WG have more than enough in the past to merit a place on the boycott list, the release of the last patch despite knowing it was having technical issues the latest in my books (just look at the bug report thread, they even admit it). That being said fairness requires to also acknowledge that some attempts at behaving themselves are also on record, for example the belated but nevertheless response to the christmas shitstorm or some actually helpful interactions with community managers. Does that cancel out? Not quite, as far as I am concerned, but it's enough to shift the focus maybe. Ask yourself the following question: Do you trust WG to manage this game in a way that is viable in the mid to long term? If yes, buy. If not, don't buy. Buying premium ships is investing for a return over time. If you're not convinced, you shouldn't buy premiums. Pretty simple equation there. If you still feel the money is burning holes in your pockets, you might be better off with premium time or preferably just spend it on a good night out. You know, interaction with actually physically present people, that kind of stuff. 

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If you want to buy the Scharni in game with dubloons you already have, you are not really giving anything to WG that they havn't already taken from you.

And at least for me it is THE go to ship when having a bad day. Due to the ridiculously easy tier7 MM it gets to be top tier like 80% of the time for me, and it even works well against tier8s and tier9s if you know what you are doing. For me possibly the most fun ship in the game.

So sorry, but you really should buy it :trollface:

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Actually, you got 26k dubloons ?

 

How about waiting for a promotion in free XP conversion ? You'll be able to buy Missouri like that. (26.000 x35 : 910k freepex)

Since you already have the dubloons, you'll lose nothing, and you'll get the best moneymaker ingame coupled with a really strong ship.

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