Switching Captains on non premium ships if you bought Doubloon camo!

[Aschwell]

Hi All,

 

I have had an idea lately that if you buy the camo for doubloons on a non premium ship that you then should be able to Switch between Captains in the same line without penalty.

 

Example.

 

I bought the 3000k doubloon camo for my Benson and have a decent Captain on it but i also bought the Fletcher recently. Let´s say I move my Benson Captain to my new Fletcher and retrain him to that ship.

 

I would now like to be able to move back my Fletcher Captain to my Benson again and back and forth between the two ships without taking any penalty on the Captain for it.

 

I think since you invested money on a regular non premium ship you should be able to do this. Becuase I don´t have a Sims for example to train up a new Captains and it takes time. You could argue that you can go back to lower tiers and train a new Captain where it´s less painful to do so without the neccessary skills for higher tiers but that takes alot of time as well.

 

I know there are dragon flags etc but not all players lie on 1000 dragon flags and neither do I.

 

I hope my idea will be seen as something useful and not only for us clan players that need to train more Captains which is sometimes a hussle, time consuming and annoying but also for the regular player base.

 

Also this would apply to all regular non premium ships that you can buy the doubloon camo for.

But since there is a difference in price between T5 doubloon camo and T10, WG could add a option based on the tier that you could pay extra doubloons to have this option to Switch Captains in this manner.

 

T5 camo maybe pay 200 extra doubloons for Captain option.

Then it maybe goes 100 doubloons up per Tier.

 

Let me know what you think and sorry for the long post 

[Ferry_25]

Don't really care OP. I think the whole retraining is a bit annoying in the whole but for me no dealbreaker. We've been through that. And I get it: it's a way to make money for WG. It wouldn't be my way but then again it's not called "Ferry Gaming." I stick to my opinion: it would be nice if captains can return to ships they've been on for free.

[anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb]

im for anything that benefits the player and not wgs pocket.

[tenacious_torps]

I'd prefer saner pricing for reskilling over that.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I've said for a long time that Perm camo should transform a ship into a full Prem ship with earnings, XP and captain bonuses etc

 

WG will never do this however as Victor needs to be paid 

 

Especially that goalposts have been moved on ships, I'm looking at Aki and Bismarck as I play both rarely now due to buffs/nerfs/changes. That's 6k doubloons I'll never see again.

 

WoT "Elite'd" vehicles give extra crew XP without having to pay a penny. Granted it's A LOT more grindy but still some sort of bonus would be nice. 

[loppantorkel]

im for anything that benefits the player and not wgs pocket.

Looks like it could do both here, which is fine. It would increase the value of the premium camos. Maybe WG thinks the price corresponds to the value now. If so, they might increase the price for the added value. I'd be more tempted to buy premium camo for fletcher if they would implement this at the current price. It's a good idea, but I think it's a value-price question in the end.

[hellhound666]

i personally dont care if that camo give gives more exp or money, i would just like to use other captains with it without penalty

[Skyllon]

I don't think retraining is that much of a problem really. 200k silver for cutting it half is nothing. With premium account and all possible flags it is 3-5 battles at most. And with new flags incoming it will be possible to do 50k on one go.

[GulvkluderGuld]

I don't think retraining is that much of a problem really. 200k silver for cutting it half is nothing. With premium account and all possible flags it is 3-5 battles at most. And with new flags incoming it will be possible to do 50k on one go.

 

You clearly dont retrain 16+ point captains, or maybe you average 20k+ XP / game?

 

Was leveling a captain with my Belfast with premium acct + perm camo + dragon and normal xp flags yesterday and the best game was a 20k XP game, but my average xp earnings were in the 6k-8k ballpark.

Even after paying the silver you still need 100-150k XP, so that is a good 10-20 games depending on how many potato teams you catch.

[Skyllon]

You clearly dont retrain 16+ point captains, or maybe you average 20k+ XP / game?

 

Of course I don't. Once they hit 15-16 points mark they're already on their target ships. I don't see the reason to move 15+ points captains between silver ships back and forth, since each and every one is specced in relation to the ship they are on. And if I had to, I'd spend doubloons to retrain them. That's what doubloons are for. Unless someone plays with one captain on different ships, in which case I'm going to refrain from commenting.

Also last thing - 2 new flags will give additional +250% commander bonus, so I don't see the problem even in moving 16+ captains.

 

Sure, what OP suggests would be nice. I don't think necessary though with the amount of special events and 3x bonuses during a year. And WG needs ways to make people want to buy doubloons - otherwise they'd have no money for all the giveways.

 

 

Edit:

Forgot to add that on 19 points captains you also make Elite XP that you can then use to speed up the retraining process.

It is already so much easier to retrain captains then a year ago. And you know - premium ships...

[Aotearas]

I've said for a long time that Perm camo should transform a ship into a full Prem ship with earnings, XP and captain bonuses etc

 

Well, at least the tier X camouflage checks the XP and earnings part (-50% service cost and +20% credits does result in a metric ton of credits, plus the +100% XP bonus has that part covered).

 

On one hand I'd love it if the tier X camouflage really turned a ship into a premium in function including free captain switching to it.

On the other hand it seems like too many people are playing the tier X ships and suck tier VIII into tier X matches more often than not and that isn't an all too pleasant state for anyone playing tier VIII ships at any moment. And with giving even more bonuses to tier X ships (though paid ones) it would probably only excerbate that trend (if it indeed is one and not just observation bias on my part). And I would rather not have the MM become more skewed than it appears to be right now.

 

Naturally there's plenty other options to keep MM in check even with added bonuses for tier X ships, but frankly I'm not very confident in WG delivering in that regard as it stands right now, so ultimately my answer is I'd love it to, but don't think it would be a good change to the current state of the game as I see it.

[Aschwell]

im for anything that benefits the player and not wgs pocket.

Well since I know this would be very hard to implement without paying for it I am ready to pay a reasonable price for it scaled on the tier of the ship as a percentage maybe or so. Also this would only apply for ships you bought the camo on.

 

T10 you pay 5000 doubloons for camo, but you could pay 1000 doubloons extra to be able to switch the Captain and it could be a free choice to pay extra for this or not if you don´t care or need it.

 

Looks like it could do both here, which is fine. It would increase the value of the premium camos. Maybe WG thinks the price corresponds to the value now. If so, they might increase the price for the added value. I'd be more tempted to buy premium camo for fletcher if they would implement this at the current price. It's a good idea, but I think it's a value-price question in the end.

As I wrote in above reply to the quote it could be a free choice to pay percentage based price depending on ship tier for the Captain option.

 

 

Of course I don't. Once they hit 15-16 points mark they're already on their target ships. I don't see the reason to move 15+ points captains between silver ships back and forth, since each and every one is specced in relation to the ship they are on. And if I had to, I'd spend doubloons to retrain them. That's what doubloons are for. Unless someone plays with one captain on different ships, in which case I'm going to refrain from commenting.

Also last thing - 2 new flags will give additional +250% commander bonus, so I don't see the problem even in moving 16+ captains.

 

Sure, what OP suggests would be nice. I don't think necessary though with the amount of special events and 3x bonuses during a year. And WG needs ways to make people want to buy doubloons - otherwise they'd have no money for all the giveways.

 

 

Edit:

Forgot to add that on 19 points captains you also make Elite XP that you can then use to speed up the retraining process.

It is already so much easier to retrain captains then a year ago. And you know - premium ships...

It is a issue for me at least because I have to train extra Captains for a lot of ships. I would for example like to use my mighty Yamato Captain on my competitive Amagi and be able to switch him back and forth and I would pay extra for this option if it´s at a reasonable price to say.

 

Let´s say that you have at least 2 trainings per week and I need to play the Amagi in those trainings. But I also want to play my Yamato outside those trainings, imagine now how many times you need to retrain that Captain and what it would cost either in doubloons, flags or time.

[Aschwell]

 

Well, at least the tier X camouflage checks the XP and earnings part (-50% service cost and +20% credits does result in a metric ton of credits, plus the +100% XP bonus has that part covered).

 

On one hand I'd love it if the tier X camouflage really turned a ship into a premium in function including free captain switching to it.

On the other hand it seems like too many people are playing the tier X ships and suck tier VIII into tier X matches more often than not and that isn't an all too pleasant state for anyone playing tier VIII ships at any moment. And with giving even more bonuses to tier X ships (though paid ones) it would probably only excerbate that trend (if it indeed is one and not just observation bias on my part). And I would rather not have the MM become more skewed than it appears to be right now.

 

Naturally there's plenty other options to keep MM in check even with added bonuses for tier X ships, but frankly I'm not very confident in WG delivering in that regard as it stands right now, so ultimately my answer is I'd love it to, but don't think it would be a good change to the current state of the game as I see it.

 

If you have someone with payed camo on a T10 ship, what exactly would he benefit from using the same Captain in a T10 ship onto a T8 ship in a T10 game. He is only borrowing maybe hes Gearing Captain onto his Benson for example. Or let´s say someone took his Good Benson Captain and slapped him onto his Gearing, yes he would benefit from having a good Captain at once but sooner or later he could train up a new Captain for the Gearing anyway. This for me is not really P2W here.

 

I just simply want to get rid of the Captain grinds between many of my competitive ships. I do however understand that you are afraid in catering T10 ships or whatever.

[hgbn_dk]

It would be cool........ But I doubt that WG will slaughter one of their cash cows

[Aschwell]

It would be cool........ But I doubt that WG will slaughter one of their cash cows

 

IMO this isn´t really that big of a cash cow for them. You can only buy one flag that gives 50% extra Captain experience, the rest like dragon flags you can´t buy but get mostly via SC. Then these special camos that give also very high commander XP is many times not easily obtainable or in big quantities.

 

Also if this was a big cash cow for them they wouldn´t be giving it like sometimes 90% discount on retraining the Captains between some patches.

 

Because the only thing you would pay for is the possibility to switch captains on ships you bought doubloons camo on and on ships you already retrained the Captain for.

 

Example 1.

 

NC with prem camo and Montana with prem camo. I would say in this case switching one Captain between the ships would be free of charge since you payed doubloon camo for both ships.

 

Example 2.

 

NC with prem camo and Montana without prem camo. If the captain was dedicated for the NC in the first place and you bought prem/doubloon camo for it afterwards and payed extra price for Captain switch option. Then you retrain the Captain for the Montana you bought/unlocked. Either with doubloons or by grind. Then it would be free switching between these two ships only. if you want to use the same captain on an Iowa for example you need to retrain him.

 

I believe these options or mechanic would not steal money from WG since you pay for it in many ways but would benefit the community.

[EdiJo]

No. You don't (and shouldn't) move high level captains often. That would be too OP, and making it based on dubloons is just pay2win. 

Retraining medium level captain is now trivial, if you have at least one 19-pointer working on some premium and generating "elite cmdr xp". 

No even need to have a "national" premium to train captains, because the elite xp can be used on any nation.

 

20-30 games is not too hard work if you want to move even a high level captain. But if you want to constantly switch him between your seal-clubbing ships - sorry man, should not be so easy.

 

 

[Aotearas]

 

If you have someone with payed camo on a T10 ship, what exactly would he benefit from using the same Captain in a T10 ship onto a T8 ship in a T10 game. He is only borrowing maybe hes Gearing Captain onto his Benson for example. Or let´s say someone took his Good Benson Captain and slapped him onto his Gearing, yes he would benefit from having a good Captain at once but sooner or later he could train up a new Captain for the Gearing anyway. This for me is not really P2W here.

 

I just simply want to get rid of the Captain grinds between many of my competitive ships. I do however understand that you are afraid in catering T10 ships or whatever.

 

I never said anything about p2w ...

 

And I'm not afraid to catering to tier X ships. I have said I'd like it if it were a thing. I just think that in the current MM situation where I see getting into tier X in tier VIII ships more often than not, making tier X ships even more attractive to play is only going to excarbate that particular issue and I'd like the MM kinks to be ironed out first.

[hgbn_dk]

 

IMO this isn´t really that big of a cash cow for them. You can only buy one flag that gives 50% extra Captain experience, the rest like dragon flags you can´t buy but get mostly via SC. Then these special camos that give also very high commander XP is many times not easily obtainable or in big quantities.

 

Also if this was a big cash cow for them they wouldn´t be giving it like sometimes 90% discount on retraining the Captains between some patches.

 

Because the only thing you would pay for is the possibility to switch captains on ships you bought doubloons camo on and on ships you already retrained the Captain for.

 

Example 1.

 

NC with prem camo and Montana with prem camo. I would say in this case switching one Captain between the ships would be free of charge since you payed doubloon camo for both ships.

 

Example 2.

 

NC with prem camo and Montana without prem camo. If the captain was dedicated for the NC in the first place and you bought prem/doubloon camo for it afterwards and payed extra price for Captain switch option. Then you retrain the Captain for the Montana you bought/unlocked. Either with doubloons or by grind. Then it would be free switching between these two ships only. if you want to use the same captain on an Iowa for example you need to retrain him.

 

I believe these options or mechanic would not steal money from WG since you pay for it in many ways but would benefit the community.

 

It was not the flag/special camo thingy I meant slaughtering a cash cow.... It was the retraining fee of 500 Doubloons I had in mind...  If you calculate the time you have to use retraining a high point captain vs the realative price in real money. then a lot of  people probably thinks hey a couple of hours vs a couple of €'s.. not worth it! and pays the 500 doubloon fee.

[Skyllon]

Let´s say that you have at least 2 trainings per week and I need to play the Amagi in those trainings. But I also want to play my Yamato outside those trainings, imagine now how many times you need to retrain that Captain and what it would cost either in doubloons, flags or time.

 

In this case I'd use 1 captain on Amagi and second one on Yamato. I'd also specced them differently so I could enjoy different playstyle on both ships (so in my case moving them is out of question).

In my oppinion getting to 15 points is not that difficult, and lack of additional points - although they are beneficial - doesn't make ships unplayable.

[Aschwell]

No. You don't (and shouldn't) move high level captains often. That would be too OP, and making it based on dubloons is just pay2win. 

Retraining medium level captain is now trivial, if you have at least one 19-pointer working on some premium and generating "elite cmdr xp". 

No even need to have a "national" premium to train captains, because the elite xp can be used on any nation.

 

20-30 games is not too hard work if you want to move even a high level captain. But if you want to constantly switch him between your seal-clubbing ships - sorry man, should not be so easy.

 

 

 

Elite cmdr XP is not easy to get tbh. I like your way of thinking switching between my seal-clubbing ships??? Sorry but what were you smoking when writing that man? 

 

How would it be OP? You could argue that it is a tiny bit P2W but isn´t the powercreeping premiums already that? Is it stopping someone else for paying extra for Captain switching? No, but i understand that the wallet is coming in different sizes for some people.

 

Also you missed my point that I would maybe not want to buy a damn premium ship for all the nations in the game, I already have too many premiums as it is. The you are forgetting why people maybe buy the doubloon camo on regular ships maybe because they like them 

 

And finally some premiums are not fun to train different types of captains on.

 

In this case I'd use 1 captain on Amagi and second one on Yamato. I'd also specced them differently so I could enjoy different playstyle on both ships (so in my case moving them is out of question).

In my oppinion getting to 15 points is not that difficult, and lack of additional points - although they are beneficial - doesn't make ships unplayable.

 

Yes, I have 3 damn cruiser captains for the Kutuzov, chapayev, Donskoi and Moskva. I can share my Kutu and Chapa captain without issues since the guns are more or less the same but not really to the other two. But honestly does people even know how long time it takes getting a full fledged 19 point Captain? It takes A LOT of time.

[EdiJo]

 

Elite cmdr XP is not easy to get tbh. I like your way of thinking switching between my seal-clubbing ships??? Sorry but what were you smoking when writing that man? 

 

How would it be OP? You could argue that it is a tiny bit P2W but isn´t the powercreeping premiums already that? Is it stopping someone else for paying extra for Captain switching? No, but i understand that the wallet is coming in different sizes for some people.

 

Also you missed my point that I would maybe not want to buy a damn premium ship for all the nations in the game, I already have too many premiums as it is. The you are forgetting why people maybe buy the doubloon camo on regular ships maybe because they like them 

 

And finally some premiums are not fun to train different types of captains on.

 

Yes, I have 3 damn cruiser captains for the Kutuzov, chapayev, Donskoi and Moskva. I can share my Kutu and Chapa captain without issues since the guns are more or less the same but not really to the other two. But honestly does people even know how long time it takes getting a full fledged 19 point Captain? It takes A LOT of time.

 

You get elite cmdr xp on a 19-pointer. Yes, it takes time to train an Admiral, but you only need ONE such guy. 

Though you evidently want to have Admirals on MANY of your ships? You just would like to pay dubloons and voila, jump jump jump? 

As you noticed, 19-pointers are not easy to get, so you would meet opponents with less trained commanders... why should you be able to do that, just by paying for camos?

 

I appreciate your urge for competitiveness, but sorry, not all commanders have to be maxed out to make their ships playable. 

[Skyllon]

But honestly does people even know how long time it takes getting a full fledged 19 point Captain? It takes A LOT of time.

 

It takes a lot of time for someone like me, who plays for free. On the other hand if someone is willing to spend money, then not so much.

Anyway, prior to 0.6.0 it took much longer. 

[Aschwell]

 

You get elite cmdr xp on a 19-pointer. Yes, it takes time to train an Admiral, but you only need ONE such guy. 

Though you evidently want to have Admirals on MANY of your ships? You just would like to pay dubloons and voila, jump jump jump? 

As you noticed, 19-pointers are not easy to get, so you would meet opponents with less trained commanders... why should you be able to do that, just by paying for camos?

 

I appreciate your urge for competitiveness, but sorry, not all commanders have to be maxed out to make their ships playable. 

 

Every ship is playable with low skilled captains/commanders. The thing here is that if you play competitive you have to have like 10 T8 ships and prefered 19 point captains on all of them. Then tbh a captain specced for a Yamato isn´t neccessarily going to a good choice for a competitive Amagi.

 

But in some cases it works. What I want with this is to save myself time and have fun in my Yamato for example and then be able to switch it to the Amagi for training or KoS for example. Is this hurting anyone? Well it can be argued but not really. I can also train the damn Amagi captain but id rather save the time since I grinded out that ship long ago. Also No, I don´t want to always grind captains in my Ischizuchi even if I like the ship.

 

And frankly who has less trained commanders in T10? not many I would say.

[RenamedUser_92906789]

Im sorry to say this ... but the proposal is absurd. What does CAMO have to do with it ?!?

[Aschwell]

Im sorry to say this ... but the proposal is absurd. What does CAMO have to do with it ?!?

 

If you start thinking maybe you would understand that WG would never implement this just for the sake of being and because buying a camo for a regular tier ship is the closest way of making it towards a premium ship it would in that way maybe work to implement the feature. Because you can switch captains between regular nation ships to premiums without penalty and also premiums in between.

 

Maybe now you understand why it was an idea to link it to the doubloon camo?