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Why is there a Polish warship at the Isle of Wight?

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Those bloody Poles!

 

Coming to our country, joining our Air Force and helping save our country.

 

The cheek of em!

 

I wish the young idiots in my country understood the debt we owe to the Polish (and all the other nations who fought under British colours).

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In which the Polish Grom class Destroyer Blyskawica played a prominent part even though she was in dry dock at Cowes and therefore should not have had any ammunition on board, her commander had an inkling that the Germans were going to raid and therefore kept the ammunition aboard, according to eyewitness accounts, her guns were glowing red hot during the engagement 

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They were using the ships hoses to keep the barrels from melting on the guns they were in action for such a long period. Ammunition had to be brought in from the mainland to keep her going too during a lull in the fighting. A little nuts really, bravo and hats off to her crew for being almost British in their stubbornness and giving the Hun an damned good thrashing.

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And here I was hoping it was the real deal..

Ah well, nice gesture anyway.

Recently read up on Piorun, she performed a similar feat on the Clyde, even got a statue out of it.

 

Sauce: http://glasgowpunter.blogspot.nl/2017/03/bombs-over-glasgow-on-night-of.html

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It is quite interesting detail that at that time Błyskawica was already rearmed with 8x102mm dual-purpose guns (instead of known from WoWS 7x120 "sea-only") - but commander decided not to use them because the fire control tower was out of service being refitted by the shipyard. He thought individually controlled fire would be dangerous for nearby friendlies and surrounding buildings.

 

The defence was made with 4x40mm Bofors guns and lower caliber machine guns, and it was mostly a barrage fire, conducted without any sophisticated radar control, with search-lights only, frequently (because of the deployed smoke and night) targeting was made "by ear" - guns were fired in the direction where planes could be heard ;)

 

So, not many planes were shot down, but the main effect was to force bombers to prematurely drop their load, to drop from much higher altitude, or just decrease their accuracy.

 

Błyskawica reported firing that one night 2030 40mm rounds. 

For comparison, in 1944, South Dakota class USS Indiana was under heavy attack all day (parts of 700 plane Japanese force) during the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot" and her 6x4 40mm Bofors AA used 4800 rounds - so it seems Polish gunners that night put out 3x more rounds per gun giving effective firepower of half of US battleship at this range :izmena:

They really had to cool them with buckets of river water...

 

And all that was disobeying of a direct British order which specifically was about removing all the ammo from docked ship. 

 

BTW, it would be really nice to have "Błyskawica" with 8x102mm universal guns (Akizuki - like...) as a T8 premium, and the current T7 ship left as "Grom" which was sunk in Norway before being rearmed. 

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And all that was disobeying of a direct British order which specifically was about removing all the ammo from docked ship. 

 

 

 

Standard Polish response to a direct order: "Repeat please"
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It is quite interesting detail that at that time Błyskawica was already rearmed with 8x102mm dual-purpose guns (instead of known from WoWS 7x120 "sea-only") - but commander decided not to use them because the fire control tower was out of service being refitted by the shipyard. He thought individually controlled fire would be dangerous for nearby friendlies and surrounding buildings.

 

The defence was made with 4x40mm Bofors guns and lower caliber machine guns, and it was mostly a barrage fire, conducted without any sophisticated radar control, with search-lights only, frequently (because of the deployed smoke and night) targeting was made "by ear" - guns were fired in the direction where planes could be heard ;)

 

So, not many planes were shot down, but the main effect was to force bombers to prematurely drop their load, to drop from much higher altitude, or just decrease their accuracy.

 

Błyskawica reported firing that one night 2030 40mm rounds. 

For comparison, in 1944, South Dakota class USS Indiana was under heavy attack all day (parts of 700 plane Japanese force) during the "Great Marianas Turkey Shoot" and her 6x4 40mm Bofors AA used 4800 rounds - so it seems Polish gunners that night put out 3x more rounds per gun giving effective firepower of half of US battleship at this range :izmena:

They really had to cool them with buckets of river water...

 

And all that was disobeying of a direct British order which specifically was about removing all the ammo from docked ship. 

 

BTW, it would be really nice to have "Błyskawica" with 8x102mm universal guns (Akizuki - like...) as a T8 premium, and the current T7 ship left as "Grom" which was sunk in Norway before being rearmed. 

 

8x2 102mm guns would be nigh useless in WoWs conditions - these guns have worse ballistics than infamous Dual Purpose Mortars USN have. Refits also made her heavier, reducing her top speed. So unfortunately prewar configuration od 7x120 is going to be the best one from internet battleboats gameplay standpoint.

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Don't you know orders are just kinda general hints on you could proceed?

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8x2 102mm guns would be nigh useless in WoWs conditions - these guns have worse ballistics than infamous Dual Purpose Mortars USN have. Refits also made her heavier, reducing her top speed.

 

so basically something like akizuki but still faster and with actually not-so-bad turning radius? ;)

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Standard Polish response to a direct order: "Repeat please"

 

"Silence! in Polish!"

A lot of Polish guys who were able to stay over here (although most were treated very shabbily by the Govt) settled where I grew up. Which meant that the entire area was saturated with henhouses and old blokes with overdeveloped senses of humour........

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8x2 102mm guns would be nigh useless in WoWs conditions - these guns have worse ballistics than infamous Dual Purpose Mortars USN have. Refits also made her heavier, reducing her top speed. So unfortunately prewar configuration od 7x120 is going to be the best one from internet battleboats gameplay standpoint.

 

Hm. I just threw an idea. I imagine that the 102's wouldn't be so mortar-like. The shell is heavy, although the initial velocity is smaller than Akizuki's.

WG will "have" to solve that problem anyway, with introducing RN DD ;)

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_4_inch_Mk_XVI_naval_gun
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_cm/65_Type_98_naval_gun
http://navalhistory.flixco.info/H/80943x53535/8330/a0.htm

 

Akizuki vs Błyskawica
1010m/s vs 811m/s
14x11km eff, 19.5x13km max vs 18.1kmx11.9km max
20-22rpm vs 15-20rpm
13kg vs 15-17kg


Bofors 120 4.7in 12cm 50cal QF Bofors M34 36
900m/s
19.5km max
10rpm
24kg

 

Rate of fire is 1.5-2x faster with 102, and there is one gun more... Plus AA rating should be usable. 

 

Don't you know orders are just kinda general hints on you could proceed?

 

The Code is more what you'd call "guidelines" than actual rules :B

 

 

so basically something like akizuki but still faster and with actually not-so-bad turning radius? ;)

 

Also with more (but weaker) torps (although there was a period when Błyskawica had a single quadruple launcher too...), 20m shorter hull, Bofors 40mm AA, 

still 37-38 knot speed and radar fire control :yes_cap:

 

 

"Silence! in Polish!"

A lot of Polish guys who were able to stay over here (although most were treated very shabbily by the Govt) settled where I grew up. Which meant that the entire area was saturated with henhouses and old blokes with overdeveloped senses of humour........

 

Hm, probably more of that old spirit was preserved there than actually in the country... There was a New Soviet Order in Poland and Polish sailors (and pre-war officers generally) were often spending quite a few years in jail, at least before 1956 when the situation started to settle.

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WG be like: "HAPPY BLYSKA DAY!"

 

Right after slapping her with a nerf without any compensation... :sceptic:

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8x2 102mm guns would be nigh useless in WoWs conditions - these guns have worse ballistics than infamous Dual Purpose Mortars USN have. Refits also made her heavier, reducing her top speed. So unfortunately prewar configuration od 7x120 is going to be the best one from internet battleboats gameplay standpoint.

 

 

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The ballistics are similar to IJN/KM 128mm guns at 8km, Blys would probably get modified RU barrels and shoot Stalinium ammo. :P

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The ballistics are similar to IJN/KM 128mm guns at 8km, Blys would probably get modified RU barrels and shoot Stalinium ammo. :P

 

Well, why not - actually Błyskawica got Soviet 100mm guns in 1952, Stalin was even alive at the time :hmm:

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Well, why not - actually Błyskawica got Soviet 100mm guns in 1952, Stalin was even alive at the time :hmm:

 

Which weren't 130mm Stalinium grade railguns, but 100mm B-24 guns. Which at best would be comparable to Akizuki 100mm - heavier shell at lower velocity. Or Brits 102mm with small velocity improvement. This refit also reduced top speed to roughly 33kts... Making her basically Akizuki with siema flag.

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Which weren't 130mm Stalinium grade railguns, but 100mm B-24 guns. Which at best would be comparable to Akizuki 100mm - heavier shell at lower velocity. Or Brits 102mm with small velocity improvement. This refit also reduced top speed to roughly 33kts... Making her basically Akizuki with siema flag.

 

Sure, but Stalinium is Stalinium, caliber doesn't matter. :trollface:  And Soviet ships also didn't make 45 knots all their life long, right? :bajan:

Akizuki is much longer, slower, less turnable boat, no comparison to Błyskawica at any of her refit stages...

I wasn't thinking about exact balancing here - this is done by WG independently on real ship characteristics anyway. If rearmed as T8 AA, Błyskawica shouldn't be made OP, she just should be comparable to Akizuki, but different.

BTW, for me personally, Akizuki is not pleasant to play - because of poor maneuverability and low speed, not because of weakness of her guns.

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BTW, for me personally, Akizuki is not pleasant to play - because of poor maneuverability and low speed, not because of weakness of her guns.

 

Well, would be strange since Akizuki has really good guns, with IFHE (and willingness to switch to AP when necessary) she shreds overconfident Fletchers easily. In fact the only DD she definitely can't take on in "fair" 1v1 would be the Khaba (assuming not-braindead player) - otherwise even a Gearing, although at an advantage against Akizuki, shouldn't underestimate the hurt she's going to inflict on him before going down. This isn't as powerful as it might sound (the speed hurts when you try to hunt down enemy DDs or get away when support proves too heavy) but Akizuki most definitely does have her strengths one can play to if you can handle her god-awful handling :P 

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