Urmo345 Players 3 posts 477 battles Report post #1 Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) This is terrible! I see BB in trouble, last ditch is smoke screen so it can escape. So i lay the one, and...no!...it gets through it like it does not exists, and dies! And it is TYPICAL! Players are totally ignoring tactical value of smoke screen! It is not only for DD' itself, i often lay it out for YOU, it is very useful for all! Edited May 4, 2017 by Urmo345 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PMI] Juanx Players 2,564 posts 9,352 battles Report post #2 Posted May 4, 2017 So you just found the average BB player? Tell us more... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[XTREM] walter3kurtz Players 1,037 posts 10,829 battles Report post #3 Posted May 4, 2017 Often the BB is bad and just tunneling into the sights and not even looking at chat or smoke nearby. Only use smoke for others if you know they must stay in the area (like a cap) or when you have communicated. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
P2Win Beta Tester 808 posts 8,067 battles Report post #4 Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) It's not that BB players are bad, we're just not used to DD players smoking up for anyone but themselves. Edited May 4, 2017 by P2Win 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #5 Posted May 4, 2017 Hear Hear. This is one of the stupidest things a BB player can do. Usually writing prior in chat doesnt help either. They just ignore the chat, the smoke and they sail to their death like bots. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Molybdane Players 171 posts 4,885 battles Report post #6 Posted May 4, 2017 A couple of things to point out here. The BB player may rely on his minimap to manouver and be focused on looking through his gunsights. Even considering the average 30 secreload for BB guns, it may be rewarding to track your shells for 13 secs just to see if they end up where you predicted them to be and get a little better at shooting in the process. That's a tiny triangle that passes you by on the minimap. Did that dd really smoke me up? Smoke renders poorly at close range. A quick glance outside and I might miss it. This is how it has to be, if it weren't, smoke would obscure my view too. Some players might not have the option ticked that displays the edge of smoke screens with very light grey circles, circles not too easy too see anyway. The smokescreen may be small, or elongated towards the enemy, making it for an obvious torp magnet.. The BB may be moving too fast to begin with. It takes time for water to slow down 50.000 Tons of mass you know. So there plenty to argue to otherwise. I do always thank a dd smoking me up, even if I can't use the smoke or are unsure I should. And it might behoove other posters here to think before the usual cryBB atitude card is drawn. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RenamedUser_92906789 Players 5,828 posts Report post #7 Posted May 4, 2017 A couple of things to point out here. The BB player may rely on his minimap to manouver and be focused on looking through his gunsights. Even considering the average 30 secreload for BB guns, it may be rewarding to track your shells for 13 secs just to see if they end up where you predicted them to be and get a little better at shooting in the process. That's a tiny triangle that passes you by on the minimap. Did that dd really smoke me up? Smoke renders poorly at close range. A quick glance outside and I might miss it. This is how it has to be, if it weren't, smoke would obscure my view too. Some players might not have the option ticked that displays the edge of smoke screens with very light grey circles, circles not too easy too see anyway. The smokescreen may be small, or elongated towards the enemy, making it for an obvious torp magnet.. The BB may be moving too fast to begin with. It takes time for water to slow down 50.000 Tons of mass you know. So there plenty to argue to otherwise. I do always thank a dd smoking me up, even if I can't use the smoke or are unsure I should. And it might behoove other posters here to think before the usual cryBB atitude card is drawn. Thats true ... in a perfect world. But mostly in this cases they just ignore the chat and their surroundings. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pivke Beta Tester 542 posts 3,394 battles Report post #8 Posted May 4, 2017 they dont see the smoke, they are "locked" in zoom mode. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] bushwacker001 [KLUNJ] Players 2,870 posts Report post #9 Posted May 4, 2017 The BB may be moving too fast to begin with. It takes time for water to slow down 50.000 Tons of mass you know. This is one reason....I have had a DD smoke for me but too close to stop in time so went right through while trying to slow. Saying that, I have smoked up quite a few times for various ships and always tell them well in advance and far enough ahead etc. and generally the BB's sail on through at full speed. Had a good battle the other day though using 3 smokes on a Belfast that knew what he was doing while I spotted for him. He kicked butt all through the game and was hardly ever not in smoke using his own in between mine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cro_pwr Players 2,735 posts 10,310 battles Report post #10 Posted May 4, 2017 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand thats the reason why I don't smoke up my BBs UNLESS I saw he actually has a functional brain. Which is rare. But, in that rare cases it proves as a great asset and helps your team to win, in all other cases I just slam my head against my desk for wasting a smoke on a guy that doesn't know how to press S. (Which is quite weird, since most of them are pressing S like mad at the begining of the battle) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #11 Posted May 4, 2017 This is one reason....I have had a DD smoke for me but too close to stop in time so went right through while trying to slow. Saying that, I have smoked up quite a few times for various ships and always tell them well in advance and far enough ahead etc. and generally the BB's sail on through at full speed. Had a good battle the other day though using 3 smokes on a Belfast that knew what he was doing while I spotted for him. He kicked butt all through the game and was hardly ever not in smoke using his own in between mine. And where did you end up in the XP rankings at the end? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[GTR] yahooooo Players 296 posts 28,229 battles Report post #12 Posted May 4, 2017 Some BB players even call for smoke. But some of them screw even that up. I had a game yesterday where I was quite low on health and sailing around a corner about to send torpedos at a Bayern which was occupied with a friendly BB. The friendly player wrote "DD smoke up". I thought 'how nice of him to remind me that I need to smoke up or else be deleted by the Bayern's secondaries'. So I smoked up. What he meant was "DD smoke me up". He got quite mad in chat. I must admit: I felt a little bit embarrassed afterwards.... It was late... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
procrastinatingStudent Beta Tester 506 posts 6,411 battles Report post #13 Posted May 4, 2017 Because sailing with right click is too much work Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ilickmycheese Players 21 posts 381 battles Report post #14 Posted May 4, 2017 This is terrible! I see BB in trouble, last ditch is smoke screen so it can escape. So i lay the one, and...no!...it gets through it like it does not exists, and dies! And it is TYPICAL! Players are totally ignoring tactical value of smoke screen! It is not only for DD' itself, i often lay it out for YOU, it is very useful for all! Why should anybody take direction from you on how to play? You are an awful player. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] bushwacker001 [KLUNJ] Players 2,870 posts Report post #15 Posted May 4, 2017 And where did you end up in the XP rankings at the end? I am never bothered about xp rankings, it was a win. I know I was a big part of it and so did the Belfast. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #16 Posted May 4, 2017 I am never bothered about xp rankings, it was a win. I know I was a big part of it and so did the Belfast. Well fair enough, but the game is about grinding XP/credits to progress and acting as a mobile smoke generator so that someone else can have a good game doesn't get much in the way of rewards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEA] Robber_Baron Players 1,322 posts 7,981 battles Report post #17 Posted May 4, 2017 I threw a match away a few months ago by trying to smoke a BB. I got spotted and killed, leaving the BB as our last hope. The day before I used smoke too far away from an allied cruiser, so I wanted to make sure to get close enough to the BB, but got killed in the progress. Misunderstood him in chat and I should've smoked myself. But as of now, if somebody asks for smoke and I'm in no immediate danger I'll try to smoke him (unless he's a clear potato). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Micander Beta Tester 981 posts Report post #18 Posted May 4, 2017 Depends heavily on the circumstances. I often get the Einstein of DDs who smokes me and stays in the smoke himself. That's no help. That's annoying in the best case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KLUNJ] bushwacker001 [KLUNJ] Players 2,870 posts Report post #19 Posted May 4, 2017 Well fair enough, but the game is about grinding XP/credits to progress and acting as a mobile smoke generator so that someone else can have a good game doesn't get much in the way of rewards. That may be so but the satisfaction of contributing to win (especially when against the odds) overrides grinding and getting XP from my point of view. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #20 Posted May 4, 2017 Partly OP's fault. Tell the guy first, typing SMOKE BRO and pinging map gives them every chance of reacting to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Kenliero Players 2,478 posts 11,195 battles Report post #21 Posted May 4, 2017 While bashing BB players, I find it even more sad to see DD smoke BB and NOT SPOT, rendering that BB useless in smoke. I have often just sailed through the smoke with BB/CA if DD doesn't spot after. BB sitting in smoke without spotter is just useless torpedomagnet Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPA] Procrastes Beta Tester 4,083 posts 4,481 battles Report post #22 Posted May 4, 2017 Depends heavily on the circumstances. I often get the Einstein of DDs who smokes me and stays in the smoke himself. That's no help. That's annoying in the best case. Yeah, this is so familiar... When I'm in a destroyer, I try to assist battleships and cruisers with smokescreens whenever I see a good opportunity. But without prior communication, I can't really complain if an ally sails right on. No matter my good intentions, I can't dictate how anyone else should play simply by employing a game mechanic. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[IDDQD] Quetak Players 2,099 posts 22,396 battles Report post #23 Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) This is terrible! I see BB in trouble, last ditch is smoke screen so it can escape. So i lay the one, and...no!...it gets through it like it does not exists, and dies! And it is TYPICAL! Players are totally ignoring tactical value of smoke screen! It is not only for DD' itself, i often lay it out for YOU, it is very useful for all! i have oposite experience. Im in BB under heavy focus for 2mins and 1km next to me is sitting DD shooting over island and what do you think? No, he didnt use smoke to help me. I died and wrote in chat why he didnt smoke me when he is so close...and then...he smoked himself... Edited May 4, 2017 by Quetak Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[EXNOM] Spuggy Players 557 posts 6,203 battles Report post #24 Posted May 4, 2017 Urmo345, on 04 May 2017 - 11:36 AM, said: This is terrible! I see BB in trouble, last ditch is smoke screen so it can escape. So i lay the one, and...no!...it gets through it like it does not exists, and dies! And it is TYPICAL! Players are totally ignoring tactical value of smoke screen! It is not only for DD' itself, i often lay it out for YOU, it is very useful for all! i have oposite experience. Im in BB under heavy focus for 2mins and 1km next to me is sitting DD shooting over island and what do you think? No, he didnt use smoke to help me. I died and wrote in chat why he didnt smoke me when he is so close...and then...he smoked himself... That, may.... have been me I was waiting for my smoke to cool down though so.......... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #25 Posted May 4, 2017 (edited) It's so frustrating... On the other hand, I remember how me and allied low-ish hp Gneisenau held an entire flank because the enemy got scared of the big bad smokescreen spewing BB caliber shells Before the smoke expired one enemy died, the rest was pondering on whether it's best to retreat backwards or expose broadside in a turn - and "my" Gneisenau healed up quite nicely. And then lived long enough to get a second smoke Basically I spent most of the match torping (on Akizuki, do you feel this pain? ) and smoking that single Gneisenau over and over again (three times in total, I think) but it was so satisfying to see how helpless the enemies seemed against a Gneisenau that was invisible half the time Edited May 4, 2017 by eliastion 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
