OverPens

[Yohane1]

 

 

 

Yes.. I own the clan OverPenetration. But this is [edited]. Shooting cruisers on the broadside with Dunkerque should not cause 25!! overpenetration out of 39 hits.

 

WG.. did you do something on the armor of cruisers? This did not happen to me before last patch.

 

[Yohane1]

 

 

 

Yes.. I own the clan OverPenetration. But this is [edited]. Shooting cruisers on the broadside with Dunkerque should not cause 25!! overpenetration out of 39 hits.

 

WG.. did you do something on the armor of cruisers? This did not happen to me before last patch.

 

 

So i did a game after this first game..

[AnuSuaraj]

Somebody pull up the BBaby Bingo card.

 

And then close topic please.

[Mangrey]

I have the same problem ....Overpen is BS .... but youll have to use HE, soft tagets like CLs they can be citadeled with HE 

 

mang 

[ApesTogetherStronK]

A BB overpen still causes significant damage, try aiming at or very slightly below waterline for more citadels, or at superstructures or bows/sterns that can be overmatched by your caliber. 

Cruisers who only get overpens are however, more of an issue. 

[Exocet6951]

It really depends on where you hit.

 

Dunkerque isn't the most accurate of ships. Couple that with relatively high velocity, shells that keep their velocity quite well, high penetration, and small caliber, and you have the recipe for overpens.

High velocity shells entering the side of a ship just above the citadel, not being large enough to overmatch the citadel roof, not slow enough to plunge into it regardless of angle, but at worst rather skipping off the citadel roof happens quite often.

[lameoll]

Try to go with IJN BBS lets see  those overpens then !

But seriously tho you probably where up in t5 MM ? 

a lot of low armor cruisers there.

Still annoying 

 

[fallenkezef]

One of things I like about getting in close, easier to nail below the waterlibe to linit the overpens

[Corvi]

Dunkek, even thou it has relatively small caliber guns, has insanely high pen power. It can easily pen through a Bismarck too. Try to hit cruisers when they are a bit angled to increase the effective armor.

[Yohane1]

A BB overpen still causes significant damage, try aiming at or very slightly below waterline for more citadels, or at superstructures or bows/sterns that can be overmatched by your caliber. 

Cruisers who only get overpens are however, more of an issue. 

 

I know where to hit tho. but this is just pathetic. Also am aware that cruisers angled are better to hit big dmg.

Tho. This is insane amount of overpens due to the fact i aim for the right spot. Yes the Dunk its dispersion is pathetic tho.

[EsaTuunanen]

Yes.. I own the clan OverPenetration. But this is [edited]. Shooting cruisers on the broadside with Dunkerque should not cause 25!! overpenetration out of 39 hits.

What are you complaining if BB APs overpen flimsier cruisers?

New French T4/5 cruisers get overpenned by even DD AP!

[Comodoro_Allande]

I have the same problem ....Overpen is BS .... but youll have to use HE, soft tagets like CLs they can be citadeled with HE 

 

mang 

 

The paper baguettes from tier III to V are inmune even to HE citadels thanks to the spaced armor 

[chazwozza]

I hit a New Mexico 23 times with HE whilst he was running away all shots were either deck or structure hits from a Cleveland and 22 of them bounced how the flying fish does that work

[rvfharrier]

Welcome to Battleships! Once you've played BBs enough you'll reach the state of mind where you don't expect citadels, you're pleasantly surprised when you get them.

[Lin3]

What are you complaining if BB APs overpen flimsier cruisers?

New French T4/5 cruisers get overpenned by even DD AP!

 

He's complaining because lately he's not been deleting cruisers in 1 salvo with a load of citadels in his BB.

 

He doesn't realise that what he should be complaining about is that the Dunkerque has never been as pay to win as other Premium ships, like the old invisi firing OP Gremmy that you're so familiar with.

[Rabid_Turnip]

Definitely a lot more overpens since patch; looks like they broke something again.

 

 

[EsaTuunanen]

I hit a New Mexico 23 times with HE whilst he was running away all shots were either deck or structure hits from a Cleveland and 22 of them bounced how the flying fish does that work

25mm deck plating is proof against 152mm HE (unless you have IFHE) leaving only that not so big superstructure as only vulnerable part.

Anyway you might want to try AP, I've occasionally stayed it with Gremlin against bow in/away NM aiming at superstructure. (avoiding turrets)

Cleveland's high arcs might be even enough for some deck pens at long range.

 

And if NM is bad target just try Bayern.

Its medium armor negates lots of smaller than big APs.

 

 

pay to win as other Premium ships, like the old invisi firing OP Gremmy that you're so familiar with.

Curious thing but clicking fire once in half minute never won anything in it and instead have had to always work to actually get damage done.

And lately have had also awfully often bad fire RNG like 2.5% realized fire chance and even lower aproaching 1% territory.

[IanH755]

Overpens - Anything French is virtually worthless shooting at with AP when they are broadside to your BB, HE is the only guaranteed way of getting sensible damage. Hell, I even proved that 127mm DD AP shells will over-pen the French T3 at 10km - 127-bloody-mm overpens FFS

 

Basically WG have yet again screwed up an entire line of ships which has yet again screwed up the gameplay - Compare the original USN/IJN BB and Cruiser line to the German BB's and British & French Cruisers. Everything now has to a a "gimmick" which is just bloody stupid. Take the German BB's which can't be citadelled very easily, or the AP only British line or the "only shoot them with HE when broadside" French lines - Have any of these gimmicks actually made the game "better" or are they just teaching new players how to play the game badly by letting them show broadside and be unpunished?

 

127mm Atlanta AP shells vs T3 French Cruiser at 1km to 10km -

 

 

Same ship against USN/IJN/German//Russian/British ships at 1km to 10km -

 

 

No Problem Here Comrade, is Great New Cruiser Line Yes?????

[fallenkezef]

British guns dont tend to overpen the French

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Overpens - Anything French is virtually worthless shooting at with AP when they are broadside to your BB, HE is the only guaranteed way of getting sensible damage. Hell, I even proved that 127mm DD AP shells will over-pen the French T3 at 10km - 127-bloody-mm overpens FFS

 

Basically WG have yet again screwed up an entire line of ships which has yet again screwed up the gameplay - Compare the original USN/IJN BB and Cruiser line to the German BB's and British & French Cruisers. Everything now has to a a "gimmick" which is just bloody stupid. Take the German BB's which can't be citadelled very easily, or the AP only British line or the "only shoot them with HE when broadside" French lines - Have any of these gimmicks actually made the game "better" or are they just teaching new players how to play the game badly by letting them show broadside and be unpunished?

 

127mm Atlanta AP shells vs T3 French Cruiser at 1km to 10km -

 

 

Same ship against USN/IJN/German//Russian/British ships at 1km to 10km -

 

 

No Problem Here Comrade, is Great New Cruiser Line Yes?????

Dafaq, that is some insane Citadel totals...

 

Oh lol, it's on a test. 

[Yohane1]

What are you complaining if BB APs overpen flimsier cruisers?

New French T4/5 cruisers get overpenned by even DD AP!

 

who said i was shooting frenchies?

[havaduck]

 

He's complaining because lately he's not been deleting cruisers in 1 salvo with a load of citadels in his BB.

 

He doesn't realise that what he should be complaining about is that the Dunkerque has never been as pay to win as other Premium ships, like the old invisi firing OP Gremmy that you're so familiar with.

 

This.

 

By now its well known what every BBaby wants to happen when a cruiser dares so much as to get spotted at all:

 

 

 

 

I leave it to someone else to post the BB-Bingo-chart .....

 

btw: OP can always choose to fire HE shells, they never overpennetrate and can cause fires. Lets see if his avg. damage goes up that way.

 

 

British guns dont tend to overpen the French

 

 

True.

[EsaTuunanen]

British guns dont tend to overpen the French

Because British cruisers got AP with lower fuze threshold than smaller DD APs.

[IanH755]

Dafaq, that is some insane Citadel totals...

 

Oh lol, it's on a test. 

 

Yeap, using the Testing Room. It works out that you only have about a 10% chance of having a normal pen against French Cruisers vs over-pens, or around 20% citadel chance which is just pants on head retarded!

[Tyrendian89]

Dafaq, that is some insane Citadel totals...

 

Oh lol, it's on a test. 

 

ahem... completely and utterly offtopic but screw it, I cant resist.

 

This may need some background: We had a "who gets the most citadels in one game, NO RESTRICTIONS!" contest going within our clan. So yeah, I took the "no restrictions" clause to its logical consequence... off into the training room I went, one Black Swan against twelve Minotaurs. When I posted that total, the contest rules changed veeeery quickly...