UK cruiser nerf ?

[Cadelanne]

Is their any nerf planned to UK cruisers ?

[fallenkezef]

I hope not, only half way through

[Drunken_Jedi]

Can't see why, there's been no cries from the community saying that they're OP. They're powerful in the right hands, but damn they die quick! Especially the Neptune and Minotaur... that citadel is absolutely horrific. I mean you hit it's side literally anywhere amidships and you're pretty much guarunteed a citadel.

[TuckerLT]

oh yea poor UK cruisers, most time 2-3 in one squad and non stop smoke 24/7... About Citadel..well French Cruisers has same one hit wonders, do they have OP smoke? no. some kind of shitty speed boost which is 99% pointless.

[Ryuuteimaru]

Why would they nerf such a mediocre line?

[fallenkezef]

oh yea poor UK cruisers, most time 2-3 in one squad and non stop smoke 24/7... About Citadel..well French Cruisers has same one hit wonders, do they have OP smoke? no. some kind of shitty speed boost which is 99% pointless.

No HE.....

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I made the decision to push for Minotaur...

 

Dammn well hope they're not nerfed.

 

Would be typical WG however just as I get there 

[fallenkezef]

I made the decision to push for Minotaur...

 

Dammn well hope they're not nerfed.

 

Would be typical WG however just as I get there 

Yup, I am wondering the same

[Cadelanne]

They're OP as [edited], they have everything going for them (DPM machine, better torps than most DDs, totally unjustified smoke). There squishiness isn't that relevent since 95% of cruisers are getting one shoted the same way, and later on they have a stupidly OP heal to compensate.

 

I hope there's a nerf going, but if there's no I'll probably grind them, actually that was the point of this thread.

[Ryuuteimaru]

They're OP as [edited], they have everything going for them (DPM machine, better torps than most DDs, totally unjustified smoke). There squishiness isn't that relevent since 95% of cruisers are getting one shoted the same way, and later on they have a stupidly OP heal to compensate.

 

I hope there's a nerf going, but if there's no I'll probably grind them, actually that was the point of this thread.

 

And yet statistically even the best ships in the line only perform "average" for their Tier.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

You know what's the worst thing in forums? After some time, you feel like you're in some kind of Groundhog Day movie. You see the same topics, over and over and over again. Some more stupid then others. Bonus points are for simultaneous "X is crap" and "X is OP" topics. 

RN CL's are not OP. They are very strong, but have very clear disadvantages and can really struggle at higher tiers, especially against equally skilled radar cruiser captains. But, grind them if you like, they are really nice and well designed line.

[Sidian42]

oh yea poor UK cruisers, most time 2-3 in one squad and non stop smoke 24/7... About Citadel..well French Cruisers has same one hit wonders, do they have OP smoke? no. some kind of shitty speed boost which is 99% pointless.

 

French cruisers have a very narrow citadel that is also spaced (shells can detonate between the hull and citadel, not actually hitting the citadel), and at t10 it's also very low in the water.

French cruisers also have way better armor. In addition, they can hit other ships reliably at 18km range (without needing the range module), with UK cruisers it's very hard to hit stuff even at 14km range - they need to be way closer to the enemies than the french cruisers.

 

They're OP as [edited], they have everything going for them (DPM machine, better torps than most DDs, totally unjustified smoke). There squishiness isn't that relevent since 95% of cruisers are getting one shoted the same way, and later on they have a stupidly OP heal to compensate.

 

If the smoke is totally unjustified and cruisers are one shotted anyways, why do some cruisers without smoke have way better survival rates than UK cruisers?

[Cadelanne]

You know what's the worst thing in forums? After some time, you feel like you're in some kind of Groundhog Day movie. You see the same topics, over and over and over again. Some more stupid then others. Bonus points are for simultaneous "X is crap" and "X is OP" topic

 

 

 

That's actually one of the best things imho. That's a bit like "consoles vs PC", love it.

 

 

And yet statistically even the best ships in the line only perform "average" for their Tier.

 

We haven't seem the same stats then. Among best 5%, they're best or 2nd best silver ships from Leander to Minotaur in term of WR. And when they're 2nd best it's behind a French cruiser, that therefore hasn't been played enough. So ... ya.

 

[MudMonkey]

Is their any nerf planned to UK cruisers ?

 

Why are you asking? I haven't read anything about it.

[Juanx]

The OP is a BB main that has just tested some cruisers, hes probably failing to adapt...

[Sidian42]

We haven't seem the same stats then. Among best 5%, they're best or 2nd best silver ships from Leander to Minotaur in term of WR. And when they're 2nd best it's behind a French cruiser, that therefore hasn't been played enough. So ... ya.

 

Ships don't need to be nerfed just because other ships are underperforming.

Do you want the IJN CVs to be nerfed, too? Because they are WAY better than USN CVs - the difference at t8-t10 is a huge 7-8%, while the difference between cruisers of different nations is just less than 1% to 2% at t10.

[SiriusYasenBacon]

I remember the times when WG released the UK CL and "everybody" said how crappy the line is.

[C4PT41N_0BV10US]

Good ol' "WG hates brits" threads. And the huge whine in "guide to british cruisers topic". Ah, fun times.

[Aotearas]

 

That's actually one of the best things imho. That's a bit like "consoles vs PC", love it.

 

 

...

 

And this is where I look around, stuff my prepared response and simply exit stage left.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

You know what's the worst thing in forums? After some time, you feel like you're in some kind of Groundhog Day movie. You see the same topics, over and over and over again. Some more stupid then others. Bonus points are for simultaneous "X is crap" and "X is OP" topics. 

RN CL's are not OP. They are very strong, but have very clear disadvantages and can really struggle at higher tiers, especially against equally skilled radar cruiser captains. But, grind them if you like, they are really nice and well designed line.

 

That is why from T8 onwards you man up and take radar instead of smoke....

 

Then DDs and lesser skilled RN cruiser players struggle against you. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Hopefully WG won't touch the higher tier RN Cruisers anyway.

 

Neptune and Minotaur both have huge citadels that are not protected at all. CVs at higher tiers are better armoured I think 

 

I've soloed a smoke camping Neptune in a Edinburgh with radar, got him by surprise and did 10k+ per salvo with my own sAP. Dead before he could react properly.

 

Minotaur will also take massive AP damage, if it's guns are not on a Khaba at close range it'll probably die before it can answer back.

 

Also I'm sure plenty of BBs out there can vouch for devastating strikes vs RN cruisers.

 

[Trainspite]

Still not a fan of AP only, and the consumable loaded, gimmick ridden line that happened to be the first RN then. Sure they are effective, especially to broadside targets, but personally for me, normal HE & AP is far better, at least for tiers 2 to 8. Perth > Leander & Belfast > Fiji any day of the week.

 

Black Swan & Fiji are the two that need nerfing. Black Swan hoovers up everything at tier 1 with AP which is not meant to be at that tier, thus putting off beginners, and Fiji would be a powerful enough ship with just normal HE & AP, with no smoke, special maneuverability or HP repair. The fact that the HP repair has put in the try and balance the abysmal decision to give AP only to the low tiers just made Leander & Fiji unnecessarily strong.

 

I half hope for a major rebalance for them, Neptune & Minotaur losing the buffed HP repair, in return for the USN BB treatment and a proper armour model, not hampered by silly bow/stern armour and citadel size. The low fuse AP can be kept around, but all tiers lower should get normal HE & AP, as well as reworked armour models. Just a few ideas though, I would need to think a bit more before putting together a serious proposal. 

[OttoZander]

There are no nerfs planned for this line, and personally I have not seen any complaints covering RN CL's specifically, so I do not understand what is your specific issue with RN CL's.

 

If my opinion is worth anything to you, I hope WG leaves this line as it is. Surely they are powerful ships but they are also very situational, and there are also many ways to counter them. Radars? Plenty at the higher tiers, from my experience 2 or 3 per team every game, and boy the horrid things that they do to your ship... Have no radar and have nobody around you to force him out of his screen? You have two basic choices.

A.) If you have a good eye and are somewhat experienced you will surely know how to hit ships inside smokescreens?

B.) Just put it in reverse or turn around and sail away (situational and ship-dependant) and let the thundercunt roast his marshmallows there for the remainder of the screens duration. From my experience there's really not much that they can do from 15km and beyond.

 

Just two from the top of my head... keep your chin up. 

[Sidian42]

Still not a fan of AP only, and the consumable loaded, gimmick ridden line that happened to be the first RN then. Sure they are effective, especially to broadside targets, but personally for me, normal HE & AP is far better, at least for tiers 2 to 8. Perth > Leander & Belfast > Fiji any day of the week.

 

I love the AP only design, and in my hands the Fiji is stronger than the Belfast.

 

I half hope for a major rebalance for them, Neptune & Minotaur losing the buffed HP repair, in return for the USN BB treatment and a proper armour model, not hampered by silly bow/stern armour and citadel size. The low fuse AP can be kept around, but all tiers lower should get normal HE & AP, as well as reworked armour models. Just a few ideas though, I would need to think a bit more before putting together a serious proposal.

 

You want WG to change an entire line (which would affect the balance of the game) just because you don't like the playstile? Then don't play them. There are plenty of cruisers with HE and better armor layouts.

Leave the RN cruisers as they are for those who enjoy playing this playstyle.

[tsounts]

Maybe the OP is asking because he/she is interested in moving up the RN cruiser line, so far he's up to Leander.
The RN cruiser line is too fragile to be further nerfed and teams usually don't understand how to support you.