Teamkiller status from coop mode?

[InfinityIncarnate]

..I just received teamkiller status for the first time, but this was in coop game with ONLY AI on my team, so there where no players..!

So why is it that I should get teamkiller status, when its the AI who decides to sail in front of my torps after they had been fired? Secondly, even if this had been in a random match and someone decides to sail

in front of my torps AFTER they have been fired, why should I get teamkiller status when its their own fault?

When you can see torps in the water, then you don't sail towards them and then turn open up your broadside as that would be very suicidal, and if you you did then that would be your mistake and not the player who fired those torpedos. Here is why.. IF I was specifically targetting an ally ship with torpedos or turrets and opened fire at the ally ship, then that would be an obvious teamattack, and a teamkill if that resulted in a kill, HOWEVER IF I target an ENEMY ship and there are no ships between my salvos or torps when fired, then I shouldn't be punished for other people's stupidity or lack of skill - same goes for AI.
..in short I shouldn't be penalized for others mistakes.

Since this was in a coop match with only AI I would like to have that status removed as the ai directly in front of my torps - any chance of that happening, and if so what or who do I contact?

// Inc.

[MaxxyNL]

Never drop torps from the 2nd line. (read: when there is a high risk of hitting an ally / allies are between you and the enemy) 

The same "rules" apply for both Random Battles and Co-Op. 

 

That said, bots in Co-Op seem to get "dumber" with every patch.

WG Stronk Bot Programming Skillz....

 

[El2aZeR]

That said, bots in Co-Op seem to get "dumber" with every patch.

 

Maybe they simply adjust themselves to the average skill of the playerbase? 

[eliastion]

When you can see torps in the water, then you don't sail towards them and then turn open up your broadside as that would be very suicidal, and if you you did then that would be your mistake and not the player who fired those torpedos.

 

This reasoning means that you deserve your teamkiller status and should have it permanently enabled.

If you torp and an ally sails into your torps, IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT. You shouldn't torp in a way that gives your ally the choice of not performing a maneuver he deems necessary or doing so and getting torped. What's more, people are occupied by many things: firing at enemies, avoiding enemy fire, being careful of enemy torps and/or not getting themselves into a situation they can't retreat from. They can't remain conscious if their ally isn't sending torps their way from behind AND if your torps hit them, it means that had they taken them into account, they'd be forced to make/abandon maneuvers that would've benefited them. So, your torps - even in best case scenario when they don't get hit by them - put them at a disadvantage against enemies. And helping enemies against your allies seems like a good reason for being marked as teamkiller, doesn't it?

 

Also, you mention torping allies on purpose - and that it would be ok for the system to mark you then. No. The system gives very lenient punishments because it's NOT designed to fight people attacking allies on purpose. Its primary role is to discourage people who don't watch where they torp and end up hurting allies accidentally. You torping irresponsibly and getting pink because of that is exactly how the system is supposed to work. Enjoy.

 

Btw, as to your specific question - no, no chance of anyone removing the status. But you can remove it yourself, just play some matches (coop is fine too) without damaging allies and the pinkness will magically disappear in time.

[waxx25]

@OP.....lol, you should feel bad, you managed to torp a friendly bot lol.......they only go in straight lines.......you deserve that pink completely.

[YukiEiriKun]

Kill a team member = Teamkiller.

It should not be that hard to understand.

[InfinityIncarnate]

 

This reasoning means that you deserve your teamkiller status and should have it permanently enabled.

If you torp and an ally sails into your torps, IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT. You shouldn't torp in a way that gives your ally the choice of not performing a maneuver he deems necessary or doing so and getting torped. What's more, people are occupied by many things: firing at enemies, avoiding enemy fire, being careful of enemy torps and/or not getting themselves into a situation they can't retreat from. They can't remain conscious if their ally isn't sending torps their way from behind AND if your torps hit them, it means that had they taken them into account, they'd be forced to make/abandon maneuvers that would've benefited them. So, your torps - even in best case scenario when they don't get hit by them - put them at a disadvantage against enemies. And helping enemies against your allies seems like a good reason for being marked as teamkiller, doesn't it?

 

Also, you mention torping allies on purpose - and that it would be ok for the system to mark you then. No. The system gives very lenient punishments because it's NOT designed to fight people attacking allies on purpose. Its primary role is to discourage people who don't watch where they torp and end up hurting allies accidentally. You torping irresponsibly and getting pink because of that is exactly how the system is supposed to work. Enjoy.

 

Btw, as to your specific question - no, no chance of anyone removing the status. But you can remove it yourself, just play some matches (coop is fine too) without damaging allies and the pinkness will magically disappear in time.

 

..and if they have been fired in a way that the player or ai would have to perfom somekind of maneuver to actually get torped by one's torps? To clarify I'll try to explain with an example. Oh, and for the record I actually try to torp in a responsible way, and I don't try to torp ally players on purpose, but its very difficult when ally players are stupid enough to sail into them while being FULLY AWARE of the torps location and direction. Also, I'm always quite cautios and careful when I torp, especially because I don't want to hurt the teamplayer or the team, and certainly don't want to put any ally player at a disadvantage, and yet here I am getting teamkiller status because the ai is stupid. But could've gotten it because people are apparently stupid too sometimes.

 

For instance, you sail side by side - with your ally to the left - both of you shooting at the same target - the target goes on ground - both you and the ally are still sailing side by side and around same speed - you decided to put some torps into the what 4 kilometers from the target, where the ally have been sailing side by side with the torps for at least half the distance so should be aware of the torps. But now the ally player increases his speed and sails ahead of the torps, and the target ship is sunk before the torps hit, and the ally player now decides sail more to the right for a while but suddenly take a turn ending up in almost the exact same spot as the target ship. The ally ends up taking the torps.

 

In the example who's fault is it? From your reasoning it would seem to be the one who put the torps in the water - however if thats the case, then no one should ever put torps in the water because people are stupid enough to actually take them even fired in a way where they would have to actually have to make some kind of effort to sail into them. The example given above has actually happened, the ally player didn't get sunk from it, but barely survived it

 

[EDIT]

..and by the way, you have no idea of what actually happened, you're assuming that I'm the one at fault no matter how it actually happened, no matter if the player or ai was self fully to blame for getting torped. You're also assuming that I'm playing in an irresponsible way, even when you know NOTHING about how I play or what has actually happened.

[Tungstonid]

If you torp in the way you are supposed to (and supposedly do) NO ally can get in the way of your torpedoes. Please show me the torpedoes any ship can sail ahead of. This might work for some aerial ones but you are speaking of cruiser and DD torpedoes here. And as long as an ally can sail into your torpedoes you did it wrong.

And how do you know every allied player is always aware of your torpedoes, especially the ones coming from their back? As mentioned above, players at the frontline are normally busy enough with the enemies shooting at them. Avoiding enemy fire, concentrating on dishing out as much damage as possible or getting the hell out of a difficult situation. Point is you can never know which maneuvres another random player or AI will perform, hence you can never anticipate what will happen once you launched your torpedoes into the direction of allies.

 

As long as you can't provide a replay for your example I see little reason to believe it. As said above: Show me the cruiser or DD torpedoes a ship can outrun. But not only outrun but also sailing parallel at first, away from the torpedoes after that and then taking a hard turn and straight into them. And this over a distance of just 4 km. I see three possibilities: The propellers of your torpedoes were defect, I have yet to discover a speedboat even some SN DDs would have trouble to keep up with or this story is just made up and/or distorted and does not reflect an actual battle situation.

But to answer your question: Yes, the one who launched the torpedoes is at fault because he did it in a way that the probability of hitting an ally was high enough.

 

If I had a choice between getting hit hard by the enemy or taking a friendly torpedoe or two I'd rather take the latter. Why? Besides that they only do half the damage they normally would no player should ever throw torpedoes from the second line if there is an ally in front and thus should get punished for it because if it wasn't for him I could have get out with marginal damage or none at all.

And before you cry out how unfair this is: I have read from some people here on the forum that they deliberately sail into allied torpedoes although they had no reason (like incoming enemy fire) because they want to get such players punished no matter what.

[MoveZig]

It's not anyone's responsibility to watch out for friendly torps coming their way. Even if they turned in that direction after the launch. It's a risk you have to weigh whenever you launch torps from the second line. It can pay off, it's not always unacceptable, but if you take the chance and it backfires, accept the penalty and don't complain.

[Spellfire40]

If you torp and an ally sails into your torps, IT'S STILL YOUR FAULT

So by your logic someone parking his ship at your firing side  isn't trolling on his side but your fault too? I all for using torps with care but if I would see a torp drop that isn't aimed in my path then ajust my course and use speedbost to get myself torpedoed it's certainly not the fault of the ship firing the torps.

 

Had a case on North  team wouldn't push I took the western cap in the Duca then pushed further south fired my 12 km slow torps at a distant BB  then a cruiser pushed in  between the islands.  He wasn't in my torp path or even heading there when I fired and there was no way to predict he would try to charge a BB that was aiming for him.Yea i got the TK status. Did I feel guilty?  Certainly not I warned him more than 20 sek before I sunk him and I certainly not shoot the torps to kill him.

[Gleb_Reawer]

 

So why is it that I should get teamkiller status, when its the AI who decides to sail in front of my torps after they had been fired? Secondly, even if this had been in a random match and someone decides to sail

in front of my torps AFTER they have been fired, why should I get teamkiller status when its their own fault?

 

You did damage to your team mate or maybe even killed him. That's why you get that pretty pink colour. That's a warning to other players that you are a dangerous team mate, possibly even more dangeorus than the enemy and you should be avoided if they walue their ship and enjoyable gameplay.

 

 

For instance, you sail side by side - with your ally to the left - both of you shooting at the same target - the target goes on ground - both you and the ally are still sailing side by side and around same speed - you decided to put some torps into the what 4 kilometers from the target, where the ally have been sailing side by side with the torps for at least half the distance so should be aware of the torps. But now the ally player increases his speed and sails ahead of the torps, and the target ship is sunk before the torps hit, and the ally player now decides sail more to the right for a while but suddenly take a turn ending up in almost the exact same spot as the target ship. The ally ends up taking the torps.

 

In the example who's fault is it? From your reasoning it would seem to be the one who put the torps in the water - however if thats the case, then no one should ever put torps in the water because people are stupid enough to actually take them even fired in a way where they would have to actually have to make some kind of effort to sail into them. The example given above has actually happened, the ally player didn't get sunk from it, but barely survived it

 

Your torps, your responsibility, your fault.

 

Firing torps when allies are within and roughly in the direction of the launch is always a huge risk. Unless you are on voice comms with that player, I suggest you don't do it or then you have to be prepared to pay the price.

 

I've made a few of these dubious decicions when playing solo randoms. After my first incident I learnt to be wery careful and to tell my allies about torps that might come close to them if I do make risky launch. Even so some ppl have been hit by my torps. Sorry guys, my fault.

 

I've become pink 2 times in randoms and 5 in the halloween event. Again each of those were my fault and I did my pink time even if I sometimes had trolls that hugged me for ~100hp to void that mach from my redemption count.

 

What I didn't do was to come to the forums to accuse other players for my bad decicions.

[Gleb_Reawer]

So by your logic someone parking his ship at your firing side  isn't trolling on his side but your fault too? I all for using torps with care but if I would see a torp drop that isn't aimed in my path then ajust my course and use speedbost to get myself torpedo it's certainly not the fault of the ship firing the torps.

 

Had a case on North  team wouldn't push I took the western cap in the Duca then pushed further south fired my 12 km slow torps at a distant BB  then a cruiser pushed in  between the islands.  He wasn't in my torp path or even heading there when I fired and there was no way to predict he would try to charge a BB that was aiming for him.Yea i got the TK status. Did I feel guilty?  Certainly not I warned him more than 20 sek before I sunk him and I certainly not shoot the torps to kill him.

 

In these 2(3?) scenarios you are right, they are trolls that try to make you pink or possibly players who want to leave the mach bc MM or whatever the XVM equivalent of WoWS tells them they're going to lose.

 

I know this behaviour from WoT, but unlike wot, you don't drown when you are in the water and your ship doesn't get destroyed by ramming islands. You can't put your barrels inside ally barrel to make em do damage to you and themselves and trying to drive in front of another player firing his guns in order for him to hit you is darn hard. Trops are the easiest way to have allies do damage to you if they are launced in the wrong place.

 

Trying to compare torps to guns is apples to oranges.

[Juanx]

So by your logic someone parking his ship at your firing side  isn't trolling on his side but your fault too? I all for using torps with care but if I would see a torp drop that isn't aimed in my path then ajust my course and use speedbost to get myself torpedoed it's certainly not the fault of the ship firing the torps.

 

Had a case on North  team wouldn't push I took the western cap in the Duca then pushed further south fired my 12 km slow torps at a distant BB  then a cruiser pushed in  between the islands.  He wasn't in my torp path or even heading there when I fired and there was no way to predict he would try to charge a BB that was aiming for him.Yea i got the TK status. Did I feel guilty?  Certainly not I warned him more than 20 sek before I sunk him and I certainly not shoot the torps to kill him.

 

Since the OPs situation  is clear cut, yes, he deserves the TK status.

You hypothetical situations are nice, but have no bearing to the issue at hand, AKA, the OP torped a bot in coop, and argues here it was the bots fault, and, it was not...

[Klestrol]

 

You did damage to your team mate or maybe even killed him. That's why you get that pretty pink colour. That's a warning to other players that you are a dangerous team mate, possibly even more dangeorus than the enemy and you should be avoided if they walue their ship and enjoyable gameplay.

 

 

Your torps, your responsibility, your fault.

 

Firing torps when allies are within and roughly in the direction of the launch is always a huge risk. Unless you are on voice comms with that player, I suggest you don't do it or then you have to be prepared to pay the price.

 

I've made a few of these dubious decicions when playing solo randoms. After my first incident I learnt to be wery careful and to tell my allies about torps that might come close to them if I do make risky launch. Even so some ppl have been hit by my torps. Sorry guys, my fault.

 

I've become pink 2 times in randoms and 5 in the halloween event. Again each of those were my fault and I did my pink time even if I sometimes had trolls that hugged me for ~100hp to void that mach from my redemption count.

 

What I didn't do was to come to the forums to accuse other players for my bad decicions.

 

 

 

Totally agree. I've been 'pinked' twice both times in my Gremmy. On both occasions the guys in front were steaming off to the flanks and thinking I was OK I loosed my torps at the channel gap between two islands on the usual chance an enemy would steam through and be caught unawares. On both occasions my team mates suddenly changed direction and steamed back! We all know how slow Gremmy torps are and despite my 'watch out for my torps' warning both sailed straight in front! All I could do was apologise and put up with the ensuing flood of profanities. My fault entirely, lesson learnt and having been on the receiving end of friendly torps I now wait until I'm up front and can fire safely even if it means being spotted and targeted.

[Spellfire40]

 

Since the OPs situation  is clear cut, yes, he deserves the TK status.

You hypothetical situations are nice, but have no bearing to the issue at hand, AKA, the OP torped a bot in coop, and argues here it was the bots fault, and, it was not...

And I agree but there is a vocal faction that try to say Any Torp teamkill in any case no matter what the hit unit did is the shooter's fault including doing your uppermost to get into the way of Torps that aren't aimed near you. That's trolling nothing more nothing less.  Again I'm more than agree Torps should be used with care but it's not always as clearcut as your fired it's your fault.

[Juanx]

And I agree but there is a vocal faction that try to say Any Torp teamkill in any case no matter what the hit unit did is the shooter's fault including doing your uppermost to get into the way of Torps that aren't aimed near you. That's trolling nothing more nothing less.  Again I'm more than agree Torps should be used with care but it's not always as clearcut as your fired it's your fault.

 

Ok, 99.99 % of the times, it is your fault.

You trying to argue the 0.01% is funny tho, keep at it...

[Peterluk]

I've been pinked because I killed a teammate with my front guns.   He had only 1200 xp health, and really near to enemy ship.  I thought to be able to shoot only enemy, but I was wrong, and killed both 1 salvo with my bb. ( first salvo I had a warning).

 

Immediatly I said "so sorry" to my teammate, and he told me "no probs dude, I was already dead, and you killed enemy".

 

Was my fault anyway, I learnt that is better to wait 2 or 3 seconds before shoot, sometimes.

And I never thought to open a thread on Forum whining a lol request to immediatly remove my Pink status....

 

[mtm78]

And I agree but there is a vocal faction that try to say Any Torp teamkill in any case no matter what the hit unit did is the shooter's fault including doing your uppermost to get into the way of Torps that aren't aimed near you. That's trolling nothing more nothing less.  Again I'm more than agree Torps should be used with care but it's not always as clearcut as your fired it's your fault.

 

But some 4x% shitter doesn't need to be told that, he will think he is always in the 0.1% where it's not his fault. 

[Skillet]

Dropping torps from the 2nd line is possible but you have to be really careful and I certainly don't advise it as good practice.  When you are the forward DD and knife fighting enemy DD's while also trying to dodge enemy CA/BB fire, you are going to make what may seem like irrational turns.  Firing torps near a fellow trying to avoid being hit is asking for trouble and if he turns into your torps, that is your fault entirely.

 

It's hard enough keeping track of enemy 'orange' torps when the torp alarm sounds, you don't expect to have to dodge torps from behind you when you know there are only 'friendlies' behind you.

[Skyllon]

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In the example who's fault is it? From your reasoning it would seem to be the one who put the torps in the water

(...)

 

Yup. It sums up the topic perfectly.

 

Just 2 basic rules:

- you don't torp from second line (since you introduce another hazard for people in front of you they need to be aware of, and often make their maneuvers very difficult. And don't be surprised if cruisers sail into them on purpose, choosing between eating your torp or citadels is no brainer)

- you don't shoot at direction of your allies, unless your torps run out of steam way before they get to them (and even then you have to rememember, most people don't know range of torps on different ships, and they will assume those torps can get to them and might act accordingly, thus you again will be forcing them to take evasive maneuvers)

 

Really it is that simple.

 

P.S. True sailors wear pink with pride.

[Jethro_Grey]

Oh that's nice, someone who puts carelessly torps into the water and starts a whine thread about being a pinkie and how it's the team mates/ team bots fault for eating one.

Haven't seen one of those threads in a while...

 

 

Thing is, if you put torpedos in the water, YOU are the one that is responsible to make sure that no friendly can catch one of them.

Your torpedos, your responsibility and your fault if they hit a friendly. As many other have already stated: it's not your team mates job to keep an eye on your torps, but yours.

Never ever put fish in the water from the second line or when there's even remotely a chance that they might hit friendlys.

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

..I just received teamkiller status for the first time, but this was in coop game with ONLY AI on my team, so there where no players..!

 

So why is it that I should get teamkiller status, when its the AI who decides to sail in front of my torps after they had been fired? Secondly, even if this had been in a random match and someone decides to sail

in front of my torps AFTER they have been fired, why should I get teamkiller status when its their own fault?

 

When you can see torps in the water, then you don't sail towards them and then turn open up your broadside as that would be very suicidal, and if you you did then that would be your mistake and not the player who fired those torpedos. Here is why.. IF I was specifically targetting an ally ship with torpedos or turrets and opened fire at the ally ship, then that would be an obvious teamattack, and a teamkill if that resulted in a kill, HOWEVER IF I target an ENEMY ship and there are no ships between my salvos or torps when fired, then I shouldn't be punished for other people's stupidity or lack of skill - same goes for AI.

..in short I shouldn't be penalized for others mistakes.

 

Since this was in a coop match with only AI I would like to have that status removed as the ai directly in front of my torps - any chance of that happening, and if so what or who do I contact?

 

// Inc.

 

​Dont worry about it, just play through your game count in coop until your pink status goes. Thats what I am doing. Its nothing to worry about. Accidents happen. If this was happening all the time that would be different. If its your first offence, don't stress about it.

 

First time I have ever got a TK status. I misjudged the flight of my shells, while in a group with two other team mates. I thought the shells would fly over his bow. Unfortunately they hit him smack in the superstructure. Didn't sink him, and he survived the battle. But it did do 13K damage.

[robihr]

recently got team killed... tried to explain to the guy not to torp from second line. he didnt get what second line was, cause he was on "first" line and i sailed into his torps...

[anonym_MfZ6T7iwWpUC]

recently got team killed... tried to explain to the guy not to torp from second line. he didnt get what second line was, cause he was on "first" line and i sailed into his torps...

 

​Unfortunately happens too often. Even happens at higher levels.

 

I always have a good look around first when it comes to torps. Clearly I should look around a bit more when it comes to shooting the dam guns. 

[eliastion]

..and if they have been fired in a way that the player or ai would have to perfom somekind of maneuver to actually get torped by one's torps?

 

YES

Know how many times I died or lost a good chunk of my hp because I had to avoid some retard teammates torps and couldn't break away from engagement or ended up running into an island BECAUE OTHERWISE I'D EAT THE IDIOT'S TORPS!?