0.6.5 graf spee change

[puxflacet]

does anybody understand what this means?

 

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• Graf Spee added 150mm gun to Secondary Armament increasing from 1x 150mm to 2x 150mm.

 

 

[HyoukaYukikaze]

does anybody understand what this means?

 

 

 

 

That means that dps from this part of secondary armament will double?

[Zogash85]

I guess it means that the 8 single 150mm turrets will be replaced by 8 twin turrets. We'll see how much of an influence on DPS this will have...

 

EDIT: Why they would do this, I don't know... historical Graf Spee had the single turrets.

[puxflacet]

twin 150 mm? wtf...she never carried them. she does not need them...that would be stupidly crazy.

hope thats some kind of typo or what...however gamemodels3d is showing that graf spee's model was changed in 0.6.5...this is super weird

[rvfharrier]

Start preparing your secondary-build Graf Spee captains guys!

[Pivke]

it gets more secondary guns. big deal lol! too bad they dont have any range. useless improvement.

 

 

[Aotearas]

Start preparing your secondary-build Graf Spee captains guys!

 

Truth be told, I've already done that a couple times by putting my KM BB captain in it.

 

More guns won't make it any less unservicable since the big manual secondary skill drop-off is at tier VI so your secondary gunners will be just insignificantly less drunk that before. You'll wreck anything close enough for secondaries with your torpedoes anyway.

[Combat_Hamster]

Twin  5.9"..hmmm no...paid  for  an AGS  not  an SMS  Floobyfibblemadeuponabadtripaftereatingdodgycheese

[Nechrom]

Judging by the 0.6.5 data on the Graf Spee, it will get 2 x single 150mm guns extra somewhere, but I don't know where that would be on the ship.

Looks to be a very unfinished change, so I'm guessing it will change in future versions of 0.6.5.

[puxflacet]

this just smells really bad. hope wg is not so stupid to put some fictional stuff on her for no reason. this would really p*ss me off

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

How this is going to help that ship? Like what do people have 19points captains with secondary builds for Graf Spee? If it's because of historical reasons to give 2x 150 then yeah but surely it's not a buff.

[Combat_Hamster]

Historically  her secondaries  were  underwhelming...scored   a  big  fat 0  at  River Plate

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

How this is going to help that ship? Like what do people have 19points captains with secondary builds for Graf Spee? If it's because of historical reasons to give 2x 150 then yeah but surely it's not a buff.

 

Having a captain with specialism in secondarys is perfectly viable for German BBs. And AGS is a premium ship - so they can just drop then in whenever they like.

[Masterrix]

wtf, I dont want this

 

this would be one of the most silly changes they have ever done

 

there is no need for this buff, no one demanded for

 

and it is historical nonsense, I love the historical Spee, NO FANTASY CRAP NEEDED for a 54.69% winrate ship

 

[EdiJo]

I guess it means that the 8 single 150mm turrets will be replaced by 8 twin turrets. We'll see how much of an influence on DPS this will have...

 

EDIT: Why they would do this, I don't know... historical Graf Spee had the single turrets.

 

There was a plan for modernization and replacing 150mm/105mm with universal 127mm (most probably in double turrets)... but the war stopped that.

 

Start preparing your secondary-build Graf Spee captains guys!

 

Historically  her secondaries  were  underwhelming...scored   a  big  fat 0  at  River Plate

 

Secondaries on those ships were meant to sunk merchant ships at close range. There wasn't even separate fire control for those guns and they didn't have enough ammo stored for typical warship-warship fights.

 

WG could do something funny and include a hull version with fake smokestack and this "third turret" prop. 

 

[Juanx]

Lets hope they dont, I did not buy a fantasy ship...

[Vanhal]

does anybody understand what this means?

 

Looks like some borked translation to me.

 

Oh, but hey, people are already panicking.

[Juanx]

 

Looks like some borked translation to me.

 

Oh, but hey, people are already panicking.

 

Your statement implies WG is above such mockery, are you new around?

[StuntMan0369]

Here's the thing, they quoted gamemodels as their source for this article. Since I religiously use gamemodels, I double checked and... I don't understand what Daily Bounce are on about.

 

The Graf Spee still has 8x1 150mm and 3x2 105mm. However, 2 of those 150mm's got re-designated into "C/28"'s instead of the normal "C/35"'s. C/28's are a double mounted secondary gun (Same one's found on Bismarck). C/35 is just the single mount name for the same gun. So, it sounds like Graf could be getting a double turreted secondary, but none of the other stats have changed, neither has the model for the ship. So right now, it looks like just a naming bug. The main turrets have the exact same issue where the name is different, but nothing else is.

[Combat_Hamster]

 

There was a plan for modernization and replacing 150mm/105mm with universal 127mm (most probably in double turrets)... but the war stopped that.

 

 

 

Secondaries on those ships were meant to sunk merchant ships at close range. There wasn't even separate fire control for those guns and they didn't have enough ammo stored for typical warship-warship fights.

 

WG could do something funny and include a hull version with fake smokestack and this "third turret" prop. 

 

 

errrm  no...AGF  did  have secondary fire  control....

 

https://chuckhillscgblog.net/2016/12/16/the-mk38-gun-mount-and-ballistics-and-weapons-effectiveness-lessons-from-pursuit-of-the-graf-spee-part-1/

 

My primary source indicates that Graf Spee’s relatively powerful secondary armament fired 377 x 5.9″ and 80 4.1″ projectiles, but made not hits. They should have performed similarly to the British 6″. “It was not known until later that splinter damage to the director directing the 15 cm fire caused bearing track inaccuracy for the 15 cm fire…a small shell splinter entered the starboard director (of assume the forward conning tower FC station). But as luck would have it, the optic was left intact and the director function but little impaired, so the damage remained unknown until late in the evening. The casualty was not noticed by the operator during the battle at all. However, the director did not provide the proper fine bearing angle alignment to the battery, resulting in very poor on target performance.”

 

A similar  thing  happened  with Tiger's Y turret  at Jutland

How Deep Is Your Magazine?:

The number of rounds carried by each ship would become important as the engagement progressed and as options were weighed. Total weight of rounds available was also an important variable determining how much damage could be inflicted:

Graf Spee: 322.6 tons

• 11.1″: 720 rounds, 661 lbs each: 475,920 lbs or 238 tons.
• 5.9″: probably 800 rounds, 100 lbs each, 80,000 lbs or 40 tons
• 4.1″, probably 2550 rounds, 35 lbs each, 89,250 lbs or 44.6 tons

British: 296.25 tons:

Exeter: (86.05 tons)

• 8″: 600 rounds, 256 lbs each: 153,600 lbs or 76.8 tons
• 4″  600 rounds, 31 lbs each, 18,500 lbs or 9.25 tons

Ajax & Achilles (210.2 tons)

• 6″: 3200 rounds, 112 lbs each: 358,400 lbs or 179.2 tons
• 4″, 2000 rounds, 31 lbs each, 62,000 lbs or 31 tons

 

[Nechrom]

Instead of some write-up on a blog, here's the data:

 

[Pekoe_Darjeeling]

 

Having a captain with specialism in secondarys is perfectly viable for German BBs. And AGS is a premium ship - so they can just drop then in whenever they like.

 

Yes ofc I run Bismarck with full secondaries build. Still if I have to play Graf Spee I would take some cruiser capt. with concealment skill and maybe AA. Secondaries on Graf may be good in co-op but in randoms they would be useless most of the time.

[Masterrix]

Instead of some write-up on a blog, here's the data:

 

 

this makes little sense

 

Spee had 8 1x150mm

 

here there are 6 1x150mm and 1 2x150mm (C28)

 

C28 are the double turrets of Scharnhorst, Bismarck

 

I also cant imagine how a fantasy double turret should be placed onboard

 

doesnt make any sense

[Vaderan]

 

this makes little sense

 

Spee had 8 1x150mm

 

here there are 6 1x150mm and 1 2x150mm (C28)

 

C28 are the double turrets of Scharnhorst, Bismarck

 

I also cant imagine how a fantasy double turret should be placed onboard

 

doesnt make any sense

 

all i take from that data sheet are 6 x 1 150mm C/35 and 2 x 1 C/28. So she will (hopefully) stick with her 8 single turrets, 6 with C/35, 2 with C/28. No fictional double turret or anything.

Something else which confuses me, is the difference made between the two turrets of her main armament...?

[eliastion]

here there are 6 1x150mm and 1 2x150mm (C28)

 

No, according to the data above it's 6 1x150 and 2 1x150 with a different name (that apparently tends to refer to double turrets - but here doesn't, as the stat remains 2 1x150, not the other way around).