So 155mm Mogami CAN Use The C Hull Now?

[The_Finnster]

I followed the advice of the A Hull on the 155mm Mogami for stealth firing reasons, but am I right in thinking that may as well use my C Hull since the gun bloom to range is immaterial now that stealth is gone?

 

And with the increased traverse speed (still needs moar oil though) it seems like now is a good time to get back in the spam machine?

 

What do you reckon?

[mtm78]

Mogami on PTS was fun, and yeah defo take C hull since it has more hp and better rudder shift. 

[Allied_Winter]

Yup! Have the 155 Mogami with Premium camo (so quite a few battles under my belt). I did go for the C-hull instantely after 0.6.3

 

 

Greetings

[fumtu]

I think that C hull only give you more AA mounts. It's a B hull that gives you more health and better rudder shift.

[The_Finnster]

Ah, coolio. Thought so. I have the C hull in dock when I tried out the 203s but since everything in IJN is similar flava I really enjoy the dakka-dakka of the 155s for a change of pace. Will give it a whirl

[Shirakami_Kon]

Yes, as said before, before this patch hull A gave less detection range when firing the guns, but since stealth firing is removed that bonus doesn't exist anymore so use hull C for the better rudder shift and HP and AA you can get on Mogami as on any other ship.

[hgbn_dk]

I had no problem using the 155mm guns on the C Hull pre patch

[Shirakami_Kon]

I had no problem using the 155mm guns on the C Hull pre patch

 

It was not a problem, it's just that the detection range when firing the 155 mm guns was bigger when using C hull than when using the A hull, but there's no such difference anymore after the stealth fire removal so it doesn't matter anymore.

[tenacious_torps]

It was so easy to fix this ship and it only took WG a dozen or so months to listen to the community to finally get it done. There may be some hope yet. (Most fun cruiser in the game right now.)

[mtm78]

I had no problem using the 155mm guns on the C Hull pre patch

 

I averaged 54k avg dmg on Mogami with 64% win rate, it's nice to know you had no problems using C hull on yours though

 

Hint: we're talking about optimal configuration. 

 

I think that C hull only give you more AA mounts. It's a B hull that gives you more health and better rudder shift.

 

Yeah sorry you're correct, C hull is just small AAA increase. 

[ulysses_nemo]

It was so easy to fix this ship and it only took WG a dozen or so months to listen to the community to finally get it done. There may be some hope yet. (Most fun cruiser in the game right now.)

 

I don't know how you manage to play this thing. When I'm playing her, I can't afford to be seen as I have horrendous maneuverability and every BB tier 6 to 10 citadel her from everywhere + most CAs/Cls. And with the 15.7km firing range, it's hard to put up a lot of damage while hidden behind a island. Each time I try to hide in a friendly smoke I'm dead in next 20 sec because of either torps or radar. When trying to use the torps that's when I try to get "It's only a flesh wound" achievement since the angle expose your broadside so bad.....

I know I suck at this game, but geez, I have so much success and fun with any other cruiser (Myoko, Duguay, Aoba, any). The Myoko is a bit the same except it's super agile and you can soak up so much potential damage and troll enemy BBs at 15km. And I don't even talk about the Aoba ....

[mtm78]

 

I don't know how you manage to play this thing. When I'm playing her, I can't afford to be seen as I have horrendous maneuverability and every BB tier 6 to 10 citadel her from everywhere + most CAs/Cls. And with the 15.7km firing range, it's hard to put up a lot of damage while hidden behind a island. Each time I try to hide in a friendly smoke I'm dead in next 20 sec because of either torps or radar. When trying to use the torps that's when I try to get "It's only a flesh wound" achievement since the angle expose your broadside so bad.....

I know I suck at this game, but geez, I have so much success and fun with any other cruiser (Myoko, Duguay, Aoba, any). The Myoko is a bit the same except it's super agile and you can soak up so much potential damage and troll enemy BBs at 15km. And I don't even talk about the Aoba ....

 

Flamu just uploaded a Mogami game, I would start there. Basically it's a very high dpm glass cannon which turns badly, so don't go chase DD's in it but stay at range and use islands as much as possible ( esp. in the BB heavy meta, and especially now tier 8 is uptiered so much ).

 

[Tyrendian89]

fun little fact to over: Firing penalty is still clearly tied to the ship hulls - take a look at what happens to air concealment after firing as you switch between hulls. Not at all relevant enough to not pick C hull ofc, just an amusing sidenote.

[Gnirf]

Well I grinded through Mogami with 155 mm(yes with the old turret traverse) just for the different guns from the other IJN cruisers. So I have not even played Mogami with 203 mm. So I like the buff very much. Will probably play her from time to time.

[ulysses_nemo]

 

Flamu just uploaded a Mogami game, I would start there. Basically it's a very high dpm glass cannon which turns badly, so don't go chase DD's in it but stay at range and use islands as much as possible ( esp. in the BB heavy meta, and especially now tier 8 is uptiered so much ).

 

Thanks ! Without the IFHE, you're doing basically nothing to BBs + if you don't have islands to cover + If you don't shoot at DDs who will ? That confirms it's not my style. I'm glad I have finished her. I hope the Ibuki won't be such a nightmare.

Thanks anyway for the advice, it will be useful in any CA.

[mtm78]

Thanks ! Without the IFHE, you're doing basically nothing to BBs + if you don't have islands to cover + If you don't shoot at DDs who will ? That confirms it's not my style. I'm glad I have finished her. I hope the Ibuki won't be such a nightmare.

Thanks anyway for the advice, it will be useful in any CA.

 

Ibuki also isn't a DD hunter. If you want to hunt DD's go play VMF DD line ( leading to Khaba ) or get a USN DD.. or get a RN CL. 

 

CA's aren't for going after DD's in current high BB population meta anyway. Ibuki is also a long range HE spammer. Zao has kinda trollish armor but it also plays best at range certainly at the start of games. When the numbers have thinned a bit you can go toe to toe with ships in closer ranges but don't play like that at the start of games. If the hectic cqc combat is what you like, take a gunboat DD / RN CL ( though those are quite smoke dependent ) or stick to lower tiers. 

 

Without IFHE you rely on fires. My dmg is all from before IFHE, and most of it was on BB's. Mogami was my favorite cruiser back when AFT worked up to 155, it was the ultimate tier 8 BBQ ship. 

 

edit: btw, some people do play Mogami aggressive, and they think it's 'fun' to kill a DD and then die... so it's not really impossible to go after DD's.. but you won't get consistent good results playing like that. 

[22cm]

 

CA's aren't for going after DD's in current high BB population meta anyway. 

This. Sometimes there are 2-3 cruises for 5 BBs per team.

[Jester86]

This. Sometimes there are 2-3 cruises for 5 BBs per team.

 

Which means they usually have 4-5 DD's to try and shoot also 

[_Flyto_]

I'm gonna have to re-buy Mogami to give this a go.....

[Ferry_25]

Wasn't the A hull mandatory for the 155's in the first place? Maybe I'm wrong but AFAIK those could only be mounted on A. But I must admit I haven't played Mogami in a few months already. I always used the 203's anyway: didn't like the Warspite turning speed at all. My tactic was HE spam kiter and cruiser ripper with AP. Finished the grind before HEAP was in the game.

[_Flyto_]

Wasn't the A hull mandatory for the 155's in the first place? Maybe I'm wrong but AFAIK those could only be mounted on A. But I must admit I haven't played Mogami in a few months already. I always used the 203's anyway: didn't like the Warspite turning speed at all. My tactic was HE spam kiter and cruiser ripper with AP. Finished the grind before HEAP was in the game.

 

No - the 203mm guns required the B hull, but the 155mm guns could be fitted to any hull.

People tended to use the A-hull with the 155s because of the better concealment when firing. Having that connected to the hull rather than the guns is very odd, and I'm guessing is due to a technical limitation in the game.

[mtm78]

Wasn't the A hull mandatory for the 155's in the first place? Maybe I'm wrong but AFAIK those could only be mounted on A. But I must admit I haven't played Mogami in a few months already. I always used the 203's anyway: didn't like the Warspite turning speed at all. My tactic was HE spam kiter and cruiser ripper with AP. Finished the grind before HEAP was in the game.

 

No it was just that concealment debuff wasn't tied to the gun choice but hull. So 203mm on A hull would have had same concealment debuff as 155 on A hull, but when you went to B and above the 155's had the same debuff as the 203's. 

[ulysses_nemo]

 

Ibuki also isn't a DD hunter. If you want to hunt DD's go play VMF DD line ( leading to Khaba ) or get a USN DD.. or get a RN CL. 

 

 

Yep what I did finally, got to the Benson. But I had great fun in CL before Mogami, shooting, torping and dodging. It changed so much with her.

 

mtm78, on 24 April 2017 - 11:53 PM, said:

 

CA's aren't for going after DD's in current high BB population meta anyway. Ibuki is also a long range HE spammer. Zao has kinda trollish armor but it also plays best at range certainly at the start of games. When the numbers have thinned a bit you can go toe to toe with ships in closer ranges but don't play like that at the start of games. If the hectic cqc combat is what you like, take a gunboat DD / RN CL ( though those are quite smoke dependent ) or stick to lower tiers. 

 

The system is supposed to be rock/paper/scissor. If paper doesn't wrap anymore rock and prefer to snipe scissor, then you have the feeling you're not doing your job. But I guess you have to play as you say, there is indeed no other way.

[mtm78]

Paper still beats rock, but there is an abundance of Scissors. 

[tenacious_torps]

fun little fact to over: Firing penalty is still clearly tied to the ship hulls - take a look at what happens to air concealment after firing as you switch between hulls. Not at all relevant enough to not pick C hull ofc, just an amusing sidenote.

 

WG never cease to amaze me.