Should I come back?

[Sams_Baneblade]

Hello guys,

 

As a player used to mostly enjoyed light cruisers and gunboats, I left the game with the introduction of the 0.6.3 because I disapprove the way devs handle the gmae. I felt like things were totally getting out of control with:

-inter-class balance: gunboats nerf (stealth is gone), a fair number of BB getting their range buffed.. Wait.. Aren't those already too numerous? Now DDs have to keep a huge detection range during 20s after stopping to use their pew-pews? wtf

-messing with customer purchases: Blyska nerf, no stat compensation while a few other nerfed ships received one. I wouldn't care if it wasn't paid with gold, but they could at least have given her something to compensate the loss of that huge advantage she had. It's hard to trust the devs if they keep messing around with premium ships. I already got the joke with the post-CBT Sims, which was left in a dire state for a while, before to finally receive some love.

 

On the other side, they:
-added marathons (Graf Spee! and probably the Hood soon)
-added containers (Free Kutuzov and flags! Although they changed the supercontainer drop chance by a LOT and added those useless special upgrades)
-buffed some other premiums ships I own (although some of them REALLY didn't needed it. Buffing the Konig Alberts, Arkansas and Kamikaze? lolwut)

Still, Blyska was my favourite.

 

Am I the only one to feel like Lesta is doing it wrong? Did gunboats (including Blyska and Belfast) suffered a lot since the 0.6.3?

I hope you guys will be kind enough to share you point of view with me. (and maybe convince me to come back at one point?)

Greetings,

Sams_Baneblade.

[Crysantos]

Hey Sams,

 

I'd definitely recommend you to come back if you feel tempted to do so. The stealth fire change wasn't done to hurt gunboats but to remove an unwanted aspects of game mechanics - and as an avid fan of the Blyskawica myself, I can assure you that this ship is still a very strong and reliable DD. I know a lot of players used the stealth fire ability on her - I did the same thing, but it didn't change much for me and I think the same thing is true for the overall performance of the ship. You can easily kite a BB at the old SF range and most targets are going to struggle to hit you. The Belfast is still a very strong ship and it certainly doesn't need SF to be performing well. In general any cruiser player who played their cruiser focused on SF probably struggled a lot in general to fulfill his actual role and perform properly since SF on a CA means max range spam. We're aware of the concerns some players have with certain ships like the Akizuki and we're keeping a close eye on those to see how this affects them.

 

We're monitoring how the changes influence the meta and general performance of ships and if we see a need to help ships, we'll do it. If you take a look at all of the ships that received some long deserved love like the New Orleans, Baltimore, Pensacola, Mogami, Hipper, etc. you should see that we're trying our best to keep things balanced and on a comparable level to its counterparts. While you might not agree with every change, we're doing our best to cater to most players and make this game as enjoyable as we can.

 

There's also a ton of content coming up the next months (sorry, I can only tease for now ) - so stay tuned, be part of it and have some fun!

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[beercrazy]

i personally love the cruisers and gunboats the most and would say its got worse not better

come back and try it but I warn you bbs are now more powerful than ever and the stealth fire nerf is ruining some dd play

[Webley_Mark]

You can still give the game a try. But only you can decide if you're coming back.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

If you want DD power then get a Khaba and farm until you're bored. I haven't had mine too long and I've never used anything as OP. I include ships like the Nikolai and Gremy in that. 

 

As a whole I feel the game is slowly lurching in the wrong direction. Whether it's because of bad balancing or poor player base i can't say for sure, it's likely a mixture of both. 

 

I'm on a little less recently and even if RN BB come I'm still a bit apprehensive as so many games are lost to uncompetitive teams. 

 

In fact it's so bad i play a bit of WoT now 

[LastButterfly]

edited by Crysantos - I understand the point you want to make here, but don't edit a quote in that way, please. No sanction, that's just not the way to do it - I hope you understand that.

 

Come back if you want Sams but keep in mind that WG's policy isn't gonna change and it'll keep going that way. 

 

[krautjaeger]

In essence World of Warships is what's on Steam is called an Early Access game, and by version number it is traditionally far from what's called release candidate even. It's there for us to play as we would alongside the developers who continually create and improve the game. Even WoT didn't go version 1.0 yet, they pulled that one, but WoT is as close to release and a full version game as it gets.

 

As such, when they work and improve, the game will go in different directions and I guess that's why I'm not panicking or leaving the game over design decisions as I knew from when I signed up that this would happen as it is a work in progress.

 

Come back and check it out, then play the Public Tests and get a heads up when things start to change as well.

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

The french cruisers are worth to come back for; actionpacked gameplay and their guns are like citadel and fire factories

 

[Earl_of_Northesk]

Blyska never really relied on stealth fire. You could use it and spec the ship for it, but it was just an option. I never went for it and I'm still comfortably keeping up with the best Blyska players o the European server.

 

People got worked up on this change way too much.

[Pivke]

you come back man! its nice game

 

but stay well away from cruisers! they are obsolete units in this game! (except UK because smoke & heal) they are simply free xp pinatas for every one...

stick with gunboat destroyers, they are still fine and fun.

[P2Win]

Don't come back during the weekends, Come back Monday.

[anonym_XGuN6pHmfiJ9]

Left at at 06.03. Didn't we just had 06.04? I had breaks longer than that. So don't kid yourself, you never left. So just play the game some more. And just enjoy the game. All that drama for nothing.

[anonym_u5USg8CcK96I]

Personally I think the game has improved with the recent changes. So I would say yes, come back.

[Skyllon]

Hey Sams,

(...)

That's what I call proper customer handling!

 

 

 

Hello guys,

(...)

 

Sure mate. Come back and bring friends with you!

More people complain about the game, sooner we can expect it to go the right direction!

[Strapps]

Maybe I'm burned out from too much Tanks but I came back to Boats shortly before the 0.6.3 patch and have to say that I've never had so much fun. The removal of stealth firing only hurt people who relied on it; I play a lot of IJN DDs and maybe because they're not gunboats, didn't really notice any difference. I still play my Blys and still don't play well in it (probably trying to use the torps more than the guns because that's what I'm used to doing) but I can't say the recent patches have had anything to do with that.

 

Obviously only you can decide if you want to come back or not but it'd only cost you an hour or so to download/update the game and find out.

[Gudgeon]

Well if you like light cruisers, the BB players will have you back with open arms......good times, citadelled by a BB by firing over two or more BB's between you and him.....yeah the game mechanics/player mentality have been 'updated' since you were last here. Give it a month or two, it literally will be 'the game about battleships'.

 

This is coming from someone who plays most classes equally, loves Cruisers, but they are fast becoming the most shat on class in the game.

 

I echo the sentiments of Negativv totally.

 

I am rapidly becoming a BBully, as cruisers between tier 5 and 9 are basically shafted. DD's are fun though when you unload a full torp load into one the rudderless BB's that frequent the game these days. Even that can get boring these days.

 

Be prepared for brainless people who find new ways to lose games, all the way up to tier 10. Just watched two full health BB's against (tier 6's) fail against two enemy cv's (2 v 2 ships left in battle) ....one CV got no kills, the other got six. Never seen a game lost like that before.The BB's were within 10km of the CV's too.

[LastButterfly]

 

 

I understand your point too, but then I wonder why you erased both the original quote which wasn't modifyied AND the sentence where I made clear that I meant no harm to you as a person, which I found important and didn't seem to break any rule at all.

 

No comments on the fact that you could have just removed the text from the quote in order to clear up the confusion, instead of plain erasing any evidence of the fact that my answer was not even really directed to Sams.

 

Anyway, I apologize for having made such a confusion, thanks for not sanctionning me for that matter, and I promise I will not make such mistake again ; but in any case, I still maintain everything I said. I perfectly understand that WG is first and foremost an enterprise with the main goal of making a maximum amount of money but even some of the filthiest compagnies have shown that they could have a minimum of respect for their customers. I do not know if your message was something your contract forces you to write or if you really believed everthing you wrote but I think it is despicable to throw a text as thruthful and honest as an advertisment to someone who seemed like he was genuinly disappointed by your product and asked, nicely for once instead of yelling insults, to share viewpoints.

 

I am open to continuying this discussion if you want - although I won't be surprised if you don't, worry not, I am perfectly aware that you may not see a single interest in talking even for a few seconds to a person like me - but I think this'll have to be done in private message as I am straying out from the subject.

 

And to Sams ~ please don't take anything you're told for a truth. If you feel like trying again this game don't let anyone, even myself, tell you otherwise and do it keeping in mind the likeliness of a disappointement. And if you feel like not trying don't fall for the mindless biased advertisement.

In any case, I hope you'll have fun whatever you choose.

[ClappingLollies]

If you want DD power then get a Khaba and farm until you're bored. I haven't had mine too long and I've never used anything as OP. I include ships like the Nikolai and Gremy in that. 

 

As a whole I feel the game is slowly lurching in the wrong direction. Whether it's because of bad balancing or poor player base i can't say for sure, it's likely a mixture of both. 

 

I'm on a little less recently and even if RN BB come I'm still a bit apprehensive as so many games are lost to uncompetitive teams. 

 

In fact it's so bad i play a bit of WoT now 

 

Farm witherer and arsonist. Khaba was nerfed. Still did 230k dmg EZ yesterday. Russian bias. Noooo! 

[tenacious_torps]

I had a month or so of hiatus myself and frankly I'm pretty close to leaving again already. Higher tiers are just soooo boring and passive 9 out of 10 that it feels like wasted time (certainly got a lot worse with recent changes), mid and lower tiers are a team lottery like no other. If you got some proven sealcluber in port and feel the itch, then yes, but taking out a ship with little carry potential is most likely going to end in extremely frustrating experiences more often than not. For example, I made the mistake of finally buying the Pensacola - got buffed, maybe she's bearable now, I was thinking rather naively - and two battles in that thing and I'm done for the day. Just can't be arsed to put up with that crap. It's too obvious atrocities like her only exist to grab some money for free xp conversion and the whole unpleasant affair just adds up to an experience I can do without. Very easily actually. 

[chazwozza]

No

[Babykim]

Even WoT didn't go version 1.0 yet

 

And I believe they never will.

[loppantorkel]

I had a month or so of hiatus myself and frankly I'm pretty close to leaving again already. Higher tiers are just soooo boring and passive 9 out of 10 that it feels like wasted time (certainly got a lot worse with recent changes), mid and lower tiers are a team lottery like no other. If you got some proven sealcluber in port and feel the itch, then yes, but taking out a ship with little carry potential is most likely going to end in extremely frustrating experiences more often than not. For example, I made the mistake of finally buying the Pensacola - got buffed, maybe she's bearable now, I was thinking rather naively - and two battles in that thing and I'm done for the day. Just can't be arsed to put up with that crap. It's too obvious atrocities like her only exist to grab some money for free xp conversion and the whole unpleasant affair just adds up to an experience I can do without. Very easily actually. 

Two battles and you give up? Pensacola is a perfectly good ship, not Belfast good but good enough. ..and it's free .

 

@OP: Come back if you feel like it. Play for free or premium. It's still a good game either way. Fun in high tiers too. There are issues but they are ironed out, such as stealth firing. The game is better without it.

[TheCinC]

I stopped playing two months ago, for the same reasons.

Kept playing on the PTS, to keep up to date and to be able to provide feedback.

Ended up enjoying myself on the PTS at least part of the time and with HMS Hood coming up, which is a must have for me, I've been playing quite a bit again lately.

I still maintain my position, that they need to finally deliver and improve communications, that Radio Location should be removed or at least nerfed into oblivion, and other than HMS Hood, have decided not to invest any money in this game until things change for the better.

DDs are terrible to play at the moment, and I am saying that with pain in my heart, as I'd taken to them quite a lot.

But RN cruisers, even though they are by no means forgiving, are a lot of fun and I find myself enjoying the French cruisers as well.

Every game is different, just had one with a really foul-mouthed dude on the other team that I had to block and blacklist.

But even so, despite DDs having a tough time, I have to admit, from time to time, really enjoy fooling around with all these great looking ships.

So try it, see for yourself, only you can decide.

And if you're not (fully) happy, like me, just don't spend more money than you need to, stay vocal, until they get the not-so-subtle hint.

[Crysantos]

 

I understand your point too, but then I wonder why you erased both the original quote which wasn't modifyied AND the sentence where I made clear that I meant no harm to you as a person, which I found important and didn't seem to break any rule at all.

 

No comments on the fact that you could have just removed the text from the quote in order to clear up the confusion, instead of plain erasing any evidence of the fact that my answer was not even really directed to Sams.

 

Anyway, I apologize for having made such a confusion, thanks for not sanctionning me for that matter, and I promise I will not make such mistake again ; but in any case, I still maintain everything I said. I perfectly understand that WG is first and foremost an enterprise with the main goal of making a maximum amount of money but even some of the filthiest compagnies have shown that they could have a minimum of respect for their customers. I do not know if your message was something your contract forces you to write or if you really believed everthing you wrote but I think it is despicable to throw a text as thruthful and honest as an advertisment to someone who seemed like he was genuinly disappointed by your product and asked, nicely for once instead of yelling insults, to share viewpoints.

 

I am open to continuying this discussion if you want - although I won't be surprised if you don't, worry not, I am perfectly aware that you may not see a single interest in talking even for a few seconds to a person like me - but I think this'll have to be done in private message as I am straying out from the subject.

 

And to Sams ~ please don't take anything you're told for a truth. If you feel like trying again this game don't let anyone, even myself, tell you otherwise and do it keeping in mind the likeliness of a disappointement. And if you feel like not trying don't fall for the mindless biased advertisement.

In any case, I hope you'll have fun whatever you choose.

 

I erased it because it referred to the edited quote, which didn't make sense anymore and I received your message anyway.

 

In general I hope you don't have the feeling that we don't want to take the time to participate in discussions, quite on the contrary - we usually just don't have the time to do this as much as we'd like to. We're always open for constructive discussions and it's not like I'm saying the game is perfect. But the points that the creator of this thread raised were things that I could address and they are my honest opinion. Belfast never needed SF and I think we can agree that it's still a very strong ship - I'm also convinced that the Blyska is still an amazing ship with great performance without SF. It's up to you whether you want to trust my personal judgement on this, but I do have one or two battles on that ship with a halfway decent performance. You might not agree with that and that is your right, but I hope that you can see why I make these statements.

 

Just because we're working for WG doesn't mean we're not allowed to have our own opinion or that we have to say that everything is gold but of course we'll try our best to have a constructive and mature discussion about a topic. Insinuating that I'm lying...well, that's something I don't appreciate though, just like the comment about no respect for our customers. I'm not saying the game is perfect or that all changes are top notch changes, but in general I think our developers are doing a good job overall trying to balance stuff out. I named a lot of changes that helped ships with a bad reputation and when you take a look at the improved communication (Q&A sessions, developers answering directly on Reddit, early access for contributors) and the rather fast balancing finetuning to ships like the Grozovoi or the Z-52 compared to how long it took to do that a year ago - then I hope you can actually agree with that.

 

So are there major things to be tackled and improvements to be made? Yes, I completely agree but I'd disagree that everything is superbad. Anyways, I still want to thank you for your feedback, next time keep it a bit less personal ;)

 

@Sams: The decision is always up to you - as you can see many players have a different point of view, the only one who can decide whether it's worth your time and effort is yourself. I just wanted to show you that there are plenty of reasons to play this game and that we're doing our best to improve it. I'd be happy to welcome you guys back to the game but I can also understand and respect if you don't feel like it at the moment.

 

Besides that - have a nice weekend!

 

Greetings, Crysantos

[Hawg]

 

 

I just had a battle where i was playing my t7 Russian CA, I was in a fight with a BB that was focusing on one of our BB's, I hit him 113 times and set three fires, managed to widdle away about 80% of his hp.   At that point he finally sunk our BB (who had been busying targeting another) and then focuses on me (Im at full speed about 12km away zig-zagging) -- he looks at me and sends one volley my way and takes me from 100% to 5%.  

 

I felt like a fly that had been pestering a bull, only to have it sqash me with its tail.

 

113 freaking hits =~80% vs 1 volley = ~95%

 

Balancing in this game is not easy, but when stuff like that happens it makes you think about playing BB's, which is like ultimate sloth fighting in its speed and excitement.