[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,662 battles Report post #1 Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) A very simple and easy method, and reliable enough from my observations (probably not as accurate as XVM and such), is to count the number of premium ships in each team. If one team has more premium ships, that team will win. The reasoning is very simple, the premium ships are usually better than their fully researched counterpart (while the regular ships may be stock or not fully researched), and usually have a captain with more points in training. Note: This method does not work in case the extra premium ship/s is/are Tirpitz (also from my observations). Edited April 22, 2017 by 22cm 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PANEU] kfa Beta Tester 1,975 posts 13,875 battles Report post #2 Posted April 22, 2017 Well not necessarily, for example i was retaraining my Hakuryuu captain and was happily sailing my Air Superiority Atago with Torpedo Acceleration Also, premium ship captains tend to play more yolo and throw their ships away (myself included). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maye35 Players 63 posts 7,745 battles Report post #3 Posted April 22, 2017 Well not necessarily, for example i was retaraining my Hakuryuu captain and was happily sailing my Air Superiority Atago with Torpedo Acceleration Also, premium ship captains tend to play more yolo and throw their ships away (myself included). Definitely, and the secondaries up on the derptiz didn't help me play any safer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[RONIN] 22cm Beta Tester 6,377 posts 36,662 battles Report post #4 Posted April 22, 2017 Well not necessarily, for example i was retaraining my Hakuryuu captain and was happily sailing my Air Superiority Atago with Torpedo Acceleration Also, premium ship captains tend to play more yolo and throw their ships away (myself included). Well, there is a premium trainer for US, and looks like there will be one for JP, too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #5 Posted April 22, 2017 As a veteran of WoT beta and KV-1 counting i must say: the game is not even remotely close to the point you meant. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[KOKOS] Benaulim Beta Tester 284 posts Report post #6 Posted April 22, 2017 I tend to place my bets on the team with less Tirpitzes or Bismarcks. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #7 Posted April 22, 2017 Whoever has more skilled DDs will normally win. You can usually predict the winning side after the first DD slap fight. 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maye35 Players 63 posts 7,745 battles Report post #8 Posted April 22, 2017 Whoever has more skilled DDs will normally win. You can usually predict the winning side after the first DD slap fight. or the broken mm matching an hakuryu with 1650 rating against a scrub in midway with 850 rating. What a nice cancerous game.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #9 Posted April 22, 2017 or the broken mm matching an hakuryu with 1650 rating against a scrub in midway with 850 rating. What a nice cancerous game.... Yes, sadly I stats check CVs and face palm when I see a clear disparity... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Ubertron_X [NWP] Beta Tester 2,657 posts 25,762 battles Report post #10 Posted April 22, 2017 Whoever has more skilled DDs will normally win. You can usually predict the winning side after the first DD slap fight. Not entirely true, but looking at DDs usually is a good starting point to determine match outcome as WG has not yet succeded in balancing DD matchmaking. 1. Domination mode? 2. Enemy has more DD than you? 3. Enemy has better (more suited / stealthy) DDs than you? => you probably lose. Nothing like funny match-ups like Shimakaze and Udaloi vs Gearing, Z-46 and Yugumo. Not impossible to win but heavily stacked against the former. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #11 Posted April 22, 2017 Not entirely true, but looking at DDs usually is a good starting point to determine match outcome as WG has not yet succeded in balancing DD matchmaking. 1. Domination mode? 2. Enemy has more DD than you? 3. Enemy has better (more suited / stealthy) DDs than you? => you probably lose. Nothing like funny match-ups like Shimakaze and Udaloi vs Gearing, Z-46 and Yugumo. Not impossible to win but heavily stacked against the former. At this point I'm going to mention Khaba is God of all DDs. As long as a better concealed DD can spot for you and the other team has no Khaba then the chances of victory dramatically increase. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[NWP] Ubertron_X [NWP] Beta Tester 2,657 posts 25,762 battles Report post #12 Posted April 22, 2017 At this point I'm going to mention Khaba is God of all DDs. As long as a better concealed DD can spot for you and the other team has no Khaba then the chances of victory dramatically increase. Actually I would prefer if WG would rate certain gunboat DDs as cruisers and not use them for DD matchmaking, as usually the guys getting the gunboats (with the noteworthy exeption of the Khaba) end up at a severe spotting and capping disadvantage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #13 Posted April 22, 2017 Actually I would prefer if WG would rate certain gunboat DDs as cruisers and not use them for DD matchmaking, as usually the guys getting the gunboats (with the noteworthy exeption of the Khaba) end up at a severe spotting and capping disadvantage. Yeah, DDs could be two sub classes as you've got the stealth ones and the DPM machines. Although Khaba stands alone. It should be re classed and put into MM as a Cruiser Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Migulaitor Players 748 posts Report post #14 Posted April 22, 2017 Or when you see an AS CV Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #15 Posted April 22, 2017 Yeah, DDs could be two sub classes as you've got the stealth ones and the DPM machines. (...) And Akizuki She's a stealthy DPM machine. With cruiser speed and a turning circle of same-tier US BB (about halfway between North Carolina and Alabama, to be precise) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #16 Posted April 22, 2017 A very simple and easy method, and reliable enough from my observations (probably not as accurate as XVM and such), is to count the number of premium ships in each team. If one team has more premium ships, that team will win. The reasoning is very simple, the premium ships are usually better than their fully researched counterpart (while the regular ships may be stock or not fully researched), and usually have a captain with more points in training. Note: This method does not work in case the extra premium ship/s is/are Tirpitz (also from my observations). As you have seen yourself, that does not work around 50% of the time (depending on your WR). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MPT] AkosJaccik Players 920 posts 11,177 battles Report post #17 Posted April 22, 2017 Well not necessarily, for example i was (...) happily sailing my Air Superiority Atago with Torpedo Acceleration I laughed as I imagined the face of your opponents seeing the flock of your Seaplanes of Impending Doom filling the sky, dropping torpedoes that fly on the water surface like jetskis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skurfa Beta Tester 809 posts Report post #18 Posted April 22, 2017 BB dying early... I don't know why, but that always seem to have a more devastating effect than loosing a few cruisers in the beginning. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[MEN] Captain_Singleton Players 3,184 posts 20,102 battles Report post #19 Posted April 22, 2017 (edited) really OP, i think the team with more terpitz's vs bismarck's and NC's usually losses... Edited April 22, 2017 by Salentine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #20 Posted April 23, 2017 In all seriousness, I would look at the amount of rare premiums. You don't generally bring an Arkansas, Albert or Yuubari without knowing what you're doing. Wallet warriors are all over the place so a Tirp might actually be a bad sign, but even if someone bought an Albert in the short time it was available, you can be sure it's not some kid playing the biggest, baddest ship he could get his hands on. More likely to be a dreadnought enthusiast or seal clubber. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POP] makhot Players 188 posts 6,393 battles Report post #21 Posted April 24, 2017 Another good indicator is the amount of players with numbers at the end of their name. If a player is unable to come up with a free nick, they are also highly likely unable to learn even the basics of the game. Therefore team with more number suffixed players will lose. Yours, Nelson0412 (Disclaimer: Not a real player nick) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[D_R_M] steviln Players 911 posts 18,566 battles Report post #22 Posted April 24, 2017 Yeah, DDs could be two sub classes as you've got the stealth ones and the DPM machines. Although Khaba stands alone. It should be re classed and put into MM as a Cruiser And the french actually had that distinction in real life. The Khaba seems to be based on the french "large destroyer" concept. Just like the russian cruiser line is to a large degree largely an italian one. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM] ghostbuster_ Players 4,996 posts 21,881 battles Report post #23 Posted April 24, 2017 A very simple and easy method, and reliable enough from my observations (probably not as accurate as XVM and such), is to count the number of premium ships in each team. If one team has more premium ships, that team will win. The reasoning is very simple, the premium ships are usually better than their fully researched counterpart (while the regular ships may be stock or not fully researched), and usually have a captain with more points in training. Note: This method does not work in case the extra premium ship/s is/are Tirpitz (also from my observations). alabamas are the worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
_DeathWing_ Alpha Tester, Players, In AlfaTesters 2,625 posts 9,867 battles Report post #24 Posted April 24, 2017 (edited) really OP, i think the team with more terpitz's vs bismarck's and NC's usually losses... Well, I don't know what to think about that - Enemy with 3 Tirpitz in a division, me in Alabama, clan mate in NC and one Bismarck; they obliterated everything. Now I'm not saying that this will be the result of every single battle but it can be a really strong division if played correctly. ghostbuster_, on 24 April 2017 - 08:07 AM, said: alabamas are the worse. Worse than NC but it's still a good ship. Edited April 24, 2017 by _DeathWing_ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SYTHE] Skillet Alpha Tester 36 posts 6,550 battles Report post #25 Posted April 24, 2017 I tend to think that Premiums fall into three categories 1) Wallet Warriors who cba and will act irrationally 2) captain Trainers so the Captain skills might be a bit odd. (even so, the player could be skilled) 3) Experienced Players who spec for the ship and will be very good in it. I don't think you can really assume anything from someone playing a Premium ship. I used to assume that players in Tier 10 would have worked their way through the tech tree to get there and therefore would know how their ship worked but now being one of them, I find I still make the same stupid mistakes I always made. And I see plenty of people also making mistakes. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites