IJN Destroyers opinions

[DarkSnyperTank]

Hi guys, i am currently grinding the ijn destroyers (isokaze atm) and until now i've been very happy with the torpedo boat playstyle and wanna continue the line up ti the shimakaze.

Now the problem is that lately i've been hearing that high tier japanese dds aren't very good due to how big is their torpedo spotting range (the range at which enemies will spot them) and that got me thinking that maybe i could be grinding a line only to find myself missing every torp and just being frustrated at those higher tiers.

Waiting for your opinions  .

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm pretty good with USN DD but I utterly suck with IJN ones, even the Shira 

In fact I suck so hard with the Shira that someone team killed me earlier 

 

It must be something to do with the detection range of the torps as I don't torp drastically different to how I do with USN Botes.

 

I could probably use some advice too!!

 

 

 

[Takeda92]

The only advice is, you have to play like a hybrid. Using only torps won't do it anymore.

 

 

[El2aZeR]

Honestly, if you want to play a high tier torp DD get a Fletcher instead. It offers utility, versatility and firepower an IJN DD can only dream of.

[Prospect_b]

I saw/heard so many people laughing about bbs sailing in straight lines, that I was (un?)happily surprised when grinding some dds recently, that this actually really isn't the case anymore, so there is some kind of art in the interpretation of the torp lead indicator. (An art I haven't fully grasped yet btw)

 

Or even more frustrating, launching torps to where a smart bb would go, only to find out he sailed in a line all the while... (ingame xvm now! )

 

About jap dd vs us dd: when firing try to keep distance (+7 km would be my estimate) while widening the distance. Don't engage cruisers dds from the motherland.

 

I had some fun with the fubuki & akatsuki, when I'll have the credits I'll buy the kagero, but I really don't know if I'll continue the grind from there. It seems the us have major advantage at t9/10/(8?). I have taken the second mod that increases turret rotation btw, but not everyone takes that one.

I don't know about german dds myself, but they seem to be in a decent spot these days.

[G3Virus]

IJN DD line was what sold the game for me back in open beta.

Minikaze was my favourite, have the Kamikaze R and Shinonome premium boats plus at least on more low tier. Kamikaze R is still the best all around IJN DD because it has not been effected by all the nerfs as much and is still playable.

 

The rest is pretty much dead by now. I hardly play my shima any more, Its RU DD all the way now, I can easily torp with them to nowadays (Kiev got 8km torps recently and Khaba has 10 and other RU DD's have decent torps nowadays), bait DD's in smoke, ram some torps up a BB's bow while spamming him, run away from any danger, heal, yea IJN simply have nothing on other lines any more.

RU DD's just dont care much if there spoted, IJN DD's are dependent on not being spoted and every dam ship has sonar, BB's included and some even radar and theres planes everywhere so.

 

WG removed all concelment from the game more or less but they didn't add ANYTHING to the IJN DD line to compensate so there pretty screwed now and are usless, unless you dont give a dam about surviving and winning that is.

IJN DD line is best suited for low to mid tire, RU DD line more suited for high tier in my view so your  WAY better of in a Khaba with heal, it can take any other DD on 1 VS 1, especially with heal and you can still stealth drop your 10km torps with I find just as useful as shimas since I often do combos with them and the guns.

 

I would not wast my time with IJN DD's any more, 18 months ago they where well worth the grind, fun and competitive, but nowadays there obsolete.

 

RU or US DD's are not OP in comparison, IJN just suck so badly nowadays compared to any other class or line its infuriating.

[Tekacko]

Akizuki is fun and Shiratsuyu has that LOL 16 torp wall of skill.

 

Rest is overshadowed by USN DDs and not really worth looking into IMO.

[JapLance]

I'm currently playing with the Shiratsuyu and the Kamikaze R, and it's a lot of "all or nothing" . You either get glorious games where enemies seem to want to catch all your torps, or 2k damage games with 6 gun hits and no torpedo hits.

 

Too much stuff that hurts Japanese DDs torpedo style: planes, radars, sonars, and 5 DDs per game all the time.

[Quallo_Musto]

Shima is a good ship, but the torps need bad enemy teams to be viable. If I could go back and spend my time over, I would go for the Gearing instead. The USN DD's are better at contesting objectives, have better smoke and better torps starting from tier IX. 

[qkarl]

I sold them all from class V to class IX. I went to the American destroyers.

 

Only Akizuki purchase: I miss very little. Shiratsuyu: I sell he just purchased Akizuki. 

[Patteri666]

Only progressed through the newest line to Akizuki, so I only can speak from my experiences in that line and I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it. Shiratsuyu in my opinion has a bit silly position in the tech tree though.

 

Might pick up the other line aswell and see how it fares, always liked the underdogs in any games I play.

[Drunken_Jedi]

I love the IJN DD's, or at least I did... they're just not viable anymore.

 

The guns suck balls, they're terrible. RoF is terrible, turret traverse will STILL be terrible even after the "buff" WG say they're giving them.

 

Their torpedoes are nearly useless against anything but oblivious players. Sure they have high alpha, but their detection is off the charts and with so many ships packing vigilance and hydroacoustic search you're just highly unlikely to hit anything due to the long reaction time the enemy player gets from them. Even if you carpet torp and area with a Shiratsuyu or Shimakaze there's still no guarantee you'll actually hit anything. I was playing my Shiratsuyu last night, there was a three man division with two Tirpitz's and a Bismarck. One of them had RPF so always knew where I was. They all simply turned into the direction of the indicator meaning one two torpedoes made contact for the entire game. Was an exercise in frustration and stupidity. DD's are supposed to be the counter to BB's, but right now torpedo boats are utterly obsolete and worthless against a good player.

 

Save yourself the time and effort and just play the Russian DD's instead, it's obviously what Wargaming want since at the high tiers they have better torpedoes than the IJN while being able to speed around at 42knts or higher while spamming HE and being almost untouchable.

 

It's a shame though, thank all the crying BBabies who constantly [edited]and moan because they get themselves isolated and raped by Shima torpedoes because they're too stupid to read a map. Doesn't help when WG push the "RUSSIA STRONK BEST NAVY IN WORLD DA!" agenda.

[waxx25]

Hi guys, i am currently grinding the ijn destroyers (isokaze atm) and until now i've been very happy with the torpedo boat playstyle and wanna continue the line up ti the shimakaze.

Now the problem is that lately i've been hearing that high tier japanese dds aren't very good due to how big is their torpedo spotting range (the range at which enemies will spot them) and that got me thinking that maybe i could be grinding a line only to find myself missing every torp and just being frustrated at those higher tiers.

Waiting for your opinions  .

 

IJN dd's have their own strengths. They are not weak by any means, they are just....different. I personally have found that the power of IJN destroyers comes from simply showing their presence.  I win in my shima all the time while doing 50k dmg at best but being in position and dumping torps while staying close...ish (to get myself spotted so the enemy knows i exist near them) affects the battles so much that it results in a win. Then of course you find your straight-line heros and get your awesomesauce 200k+ dmg games. I played 8 games in my shima today, 8 wins, avg dmg of 65k, devastated around 4 yamatos and 3 kurfursts (those always feel good)

MY POINT.......don't listen to others, watch you tube videos from players with the best stats (use wows numbers or warshipstoday) and see what they say.

[RenamedUser_542507870]

Just get us faster torps

 

[DarkSnyperTank]

Thanks for the replies guys!

Guess i'll have to switch over to something else and learn to use the guns at least a little bit on dds.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm finding a similar theme here.

 

It's either all or nothing games, it feels hard to get consistency in IJN torp boats at all...

 

The only advice is, you have to play like a hybrid. Using only torps won't do it anymore.

 

 

 

Thing is with the SF nerfs I fire even less with IJN DDs as you get lit up so fast vs any team with a shred of brainpower.

[waxx25]

I'm finding a similar theme here.

 

It's either all or nothing games, it feels hard to get consistency in IJN torp boats at all...

 

 

Thing is with the SF nerfs I fire even less with IJN DDs as you get lit up so fast vs any team with a shred of brainpower.

 

and thats why you will never break the 60% win rate. (Sorry for being so harsh, I like you and I know you are a good player but statements like that should only come out of a potatoes mouth)

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

and thats why you will never break the 60% win rate. (Sorry for being so harsh, I like you and I know you are a good player but statements like that should only come out of a potatoes mouth)

 

Maybe that's a good thing as I might stop talking to the low WR peasants if I ever rose that high 

[waxx25]

 

Maybe that's a good thing as I might stop talking to the low WR peasants if I ever rose that high 

 

the struggle is real . I dont play for stats mate, I play for THE stat and thats win rate. I could care less about wtr or avg dmg or accuracy, it's all about the win and IJN dd's deliver that. Call them bad, nerfed or whatever but they push the wins like a money launderer.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

the struggle is real . I dont play for stats mate, I play for THE stat and thats win rate. I could care less about wtr or avg dmg or accuracy, it's all about the win and IJN dd's deliver that. Call them bad, nerfed or whatever but they push the wins like a money launderer.

 

Share some basic tactics then!!

 

Don't be selfish now...

[Patteri666]

 

Share some basic tactics then!!

 

Don't be selfish now...

 

Didn't he just do that a couple of posts back? 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Didn't he just do that a couple of posts back? 

 

Hmm what about the guns then? 

 

Esp on the lower tier ones, would you take the rotation booster since they have BB levels of tracking. 

 

I'll go sit on YouTube for a bit I guess 

[Patteri666]

 

Hmm what about the guns then? 

 

Esp on the lower tier ones, would you take the rotation booster since they have BB levels of tracking. 

 

I'll go sit on YouTube for a bit I guess 

 

I have no idea at all 

 

Just have the Akizuki and I'm tempted to start the grind towards Shimakaze to see what this fuzz about IJN torp boats being so "bad" is. 

 

waxx25 gave me alot of faith with his posts, so I'm probably gonna buy the Fubuki with a brand new captain today and start the road towards gitting gud with the little buggers.

[TheCinC]

Check out the PTS.

You can play every ship currently in the game, even one of the French cruisers if you play a few games with the right ships.

You even get a captain with 11 or more points to spend.

Then you can get a true feel for these ships AND you get to check out the (minor) buffs for the IJN DDs (if I am not mistaken they are in part in this iteration).

[fumtu]

I'm currently playing with the Shiratsuyu and the Kamikaze R, and it's a lot of "all or nothing" . You either get glorious games where enemies seem to want to catch all your torps, or 2k damage games with 6 gun hits and no torpedo hits.

 

Too much stuff that hurts Japanese DDs torpedo style: planes, radars, sonars, and 5 DDs per game all the time.

 

Exactly this, you too much dependent on enemy skill to have a good game. They are not total crap but they are not great ether. They are just to inconsistent to feel comfortable playing them. If you like to be frustrated than this is definitely line for you.