Musashi

[Cyclops_]

Can we have one of these please WG?

 

http://www.warhistoryonline.com/military-vehicle-news/japanese-battleship-musashi-part-1-launch-flooded-nagasaki.html/2

[Devantejah]

As a future reward ship I'd like the idea. Not as a regular premium like Missouri though.

[SaxonHoliday]

As a future reward ship I'd like the idea. Not as a regular premium like Missouri though.

 

Maybe as a reward for a campaign, a la Shinonome? Maybe requiring T10 ships so we can avoid people without high-tier experience getting it?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Maybe as a reward for a campaign, a la Shinonome? Maybe requiring T10 ships so we can avoid people without high-tier experience getting it?

 

 That will do nothing...

 

Have you not played top tier and looked at all the potatoes with their Perm Camos playing badly?

[SaxonHoliday]

 

 That will do nothing...

 

Have you not played top tier and looked at all the potatoes with their Perm Camos playing badly?

 

Much like cockroaches, you can never eradicate potatoes completely, but at least you can take steps to cull their numbers.

 

I mean, regardless of what kind of gating you apply to a reward ship, some extraordinarily determined potatoes will always find a way through the filter. At least this way, you can ensure that the potatoes have at least played long enough to get to T10 and have the patience to slog through the campaign. Better than making it available to any scrub with a thick enough wallet.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Much like cockroaches, you can never eradicate potatoes completely, but at least you can take steps to cull their numbers.

 

I mean, regardless of what kind of gating you apply to a reward ship, some extraordinarily determined potatoes will always find a way through the filter. At least this way, you can ensure that the potatoes have at least played long enough to get to T10 and have the patience to slog through the campaign. Better than making it available to any scrub with a thick enough wallet.

 

Seriously, it'll make no difference if there is a T10 bar or not. It's over for any sort of high tier exclusivity. It's a low skilled camp fest where triple/quad caps happen probably 75% of all games and people simply sail into a distant camping spot then wait for points to tick down. The only thing that still exists for high level skillful play are CVs to an extent as the skill disparity is so wide that even potatoes know not to take top tier CVs into battle as they get utterly facerolled...

 

I imagine WG made a huge amount of money with the 5k Perm camo. 

 

 

[SmartassNoob]

I suggested at another thread that maybe it should be unlocked for those who've played each non-premium japanese BB, short of Yamato, and all their win-rates are at least 51%. That would make it very exclusive, considering how difficult some of them are to master and how different play styles they require.

 

Note the lesser AA guns, but possibly stronger secondary guns:

 

[Nightdare]

Man that's a clean deck

[El2aZeR]

I count 22 AA mounts total.

6x2 127mm/40 Type 89 A1 mod. 3 - 61 dps (same as Yama)

16x3 25mm/60 Type 96 Triple mod. 2 - ~96 dps

Total dps: 157

 

That's less than Z-52 and barely more than Khaba/Gearing.

*laughs in CV*

[SmartassNoob]

It's a ship from the era when nobody really knew just how effective carriers might be in a future war. With this ship they anticipated that smaller ships would be more threatening. The Yamato has the other option with less secondary guns, but maximum AA.

[Sargento_YO]

Musashi could be a special ship which could be brought with free XP (like the Missouri) in tier 9 due the really POOR AA. Perhaps nerfing the reload time of the main guns too.

 

Btw, I really wish to see the Super Yamato someday in the game.

[Nightdare]

Musashi could be a special ship which could be brought with free XP (like the Missouri) in tier 9 due the really POOR AA. Perhaps nerfing the reload time of the main guns too.

 

Though not by a large margin, Musashi's belt armor is also a little thinner than Yamato's

[_DeathWing_]

Maybe same thing as for Missouri as somebody already said.

[SeaMonsterUK]

I count 22 AA mounts total.

6x2 127mm/40 Type 89 A1 mod. 3 - 61 dps (same as Yama)

16x3 25mm/60 Type 96 Triple mod. 2 - ~96 dps

Total dps: 157

 

That's less than Z-52 and barely more than Khaba/Gearing.

*laughs in CV*

 

Actually it's 12x3 25mm/60 and 4x1 13.2mm machine guns

[SmartassNoob]

Musashi could be a special ship which could be brought with free XP (like the Missouri) in tier 9 due the really POOR AA. Perhaps nerfing the reload time of the main guns too.

 

Btw, I really wish to see the Super Yamato someday in the game.

 

Maybe same thing as for Missouri as somebody already said.

 

No. No downgrade and no years-long XP grinding for a slightly inferior Yamato. Why would anyone spend that much for a near duplicate of a normal technology tree ship? Be more creative, people! And no impossible missions that require one to play 50 missions per day.

 

Also, according to wikipedia, Musashi was also upgraded to have more AA guns in 1944, so we should hope for the above pictured 1942 version to get the unique secondary layout. This is the 1944 upgrade:

 

 

 

By the way, they both (along with Yamato) originally had 4 large secondary turrets. Those were the actual Mogami turrets that had been replaced during their upgrade. Imagine if they had the same range and dispersion! 

 

[_DeathWing_]

No. No downgrade and no years-long XP grinding for a slightly inferior Yamato. Why would anyone spend that much for a near duplicate of a normal technology tree ship? Be more creative, people! And no impossible missions that require one to play 50 missions per day.

 

CWs then, like top 50 or 100 clans get it? Or 100 quid 

[SeaMonsterUK]

Might be possible to use it as a tier 8 premium, but those primary guns would likely make her overpowered, so Tier 9 would likely be the minimum she'd be at considering her 1942 configuration and that'd likely mean giving her some of the AA from her 1944 config.

[SmartassNoob]

The guns and fire control were the same in 1944 as in 42 at launch. The armor was also never upgraded, meaning the lesser AA and better long range secondary guns are the only real differences. It would be quite powerful at tier 9, but not as powerful as Nikolai at tier 4, so there's no problem if it stays rare.

[Affeks]

Btw, I really wish to see the Super Yamato someday in the game.

Same, it would have to be the 3x2 20.1" gun version that has almost all the same specs as Yammy, but with 100mm guns (same those on Akizuki).

 

So really the difference would boil down to better AA and Bigger guns, but worse secondaries and fewer guns. With this I think it would be quite balanced only needing a sigma/accuracy buff to make up for having so few guns.

 

Too bad WG said that the 18.1" guns would be the biggest they add to the game so I'm not too optimistic about this ship being added anytime soon... Such a shame with WG adding so many other wonky paper designs.

[0ddys]

In the German forum we did a discusion about the Musashi and how she could work at T IX.

 

Reducing her Sigmavalue from 2.1 (best sigmavalue in the game as fas as i know...) to 1.8/1.9, her rof to 1,76 (34s reload, 29,9s with reloadmodule) and her range to 20,0-22,0km. Additionaly the dragvalue for her shells could be lowered to reduce her penetration at range, while still be able to overmatch most plates.

 

Her AA is already a weakspot which is reducing her combatpower (atleast if a CV is present). Her HP-pool could also be lowered by using her basedisplacment and not her fullload displacment which would reduce her HP to ~88.000.

 

Without anything special with her consumables she could fit like this at T IX.

[deadly_if_swallowed]

In the German forum we did a discusion about the Musashi and how she could work at T IX.

 

Reducing her Sigmavalue from 2.1 (best sigmavalue in the game as fas as i know...) to 1.8/1.9, her rof to 1,76 (34s reload, 29,9s with reloadmodule) and her range to 20,0-22,0km. Additionaly the dragvalue for her shells could be lowered to reduce her penetration at range, while still be able to overmatch most plates.

 

Her AA is already a weakspot which is reducing her combatpower (atleast if a CV is present). Her HP-pool could also be lowered by using her basedisplacment and not her fullload displacment which would reduce her HP to ~88.000.

 

Without anything special with her consumables she could fit like this at T IX.

 

But don't forget to slap radar on her to make her on par with the other T9 premium competitor :>

[0ddys]

The ability to overmatch 32mm plates should be more then enough.

 

[SmartassNoob]

And what excuse/reasoning would you have for those downgrades? The Yamato class never got any armor, or main aiming systems upgrade. From 1942 to 44 the only change was the AA upgrade that removed 2 of the secondary turrets.

[0ddys]

Well for the HP its normal that A-hull ist base displacment while B-hull is fullload displacement. All T X ships directly use fullload/B-hull so the reduced HP would just what an A-hull Yamato would have.

 

The rof is historical, because she had a rof of 1,5-2,0 so 1,75 would be in the middle.

 

The only changes which wouldn't be directly historical, would be the change to sigma and range. But to be correct it's more likely that the sigma of the Yamato is ahistorical (normal BB sigma is 1.8 and even good ships only have 2.0). For the range I have no real reason but I didn't wanted her to outrange anything.

[SmartassNoob]

The Yamato class only ever had 1 hull (as in no hull upgrade). At high tiers having relatively weak (for a BB very weak) AA gunfire already equates as a massive downgrade, as it makes CVs specifically target it. Similarly to the Arkansas.

 

So what you're saying is, you'd want to have a downgraded ship to avoid a tier 10 premium at any cost? Why couldn't you accept a tier 10 ship? As I've said before, not every such ship has to be a usual "premium" ship (a.k.a. pay to win). Imagine it as an award ship for special achievements. For example: Anyone who's unlocked all japanese BBs (short of Yamato) and has a win rate of 51+% on all of them. Or for anyone who's managed to collect one of each standard (non-event specific) achievement. Or for anyone who has managed to prove their competence by maintaining a some ludicrous win ratio like 80 % for like... some number of battles.

 

It could differ from the Yamato by only the following:

• Stronger long range secondaries.
• Way less AA guns.
• Different permanent camouflage that for example produces way more XP points, or commander points (to contrast the tier 9 american premium BB that produces way more credits) and looks different.