Premiums: First OP Belfast and now OP Duca?

[RenamedUser_92906789]

What the hell WG. This is just so obvious P2W.

 

I really hope you have "we dont Nerf premiums", because if you do nerf them, this is gonna hit you hard in the rear.

 

 

 

 

[mtm78]

Ewww.w... iShill shoots torps from behind that Atago limiting how it can maneuver. 

 

Excellent showcase of why the ship does NOT need long range torps. 

 

edit: also, don't think this cruiser is to strong at all... if anything if other cruisers don't match up they are too weak. 

 

I also 'enjoy' iShill complaining about 'powercreep cruisers' but calling 'RPF is fine'  

 

 

[Arctiheat_]

If anything they are strong but they defiantly have their weaknesses such as the Belfast is a strong ship for damage output but like its British comrades it doesn't take damage well at all and if you ask me that does balance it, it is the same sort of thing for the Duca as it can put out some damage and is very fast but it cannot take damage as it just melts, I would also suggest that at tier 6 all of the cruisers apart from the Budyonny are quite weak considering their match making.

[Deamon93]

If you compare her to Budyonny she doesn't seem that OP since the Russian cruiser is superior in everything except speed(which is situational), torpedoes(in case of the stock hull, the upgraded one is superior) and secondary/AA(as in case of the torpedoes).

[SpiritedAway]

Don't seems so OP , it's a good ship when in good hands , will melt in bad hands . That's all.

Every ship have bad and good points.  There are players good with ships that i'm bad with. 

What i say is that is the player that make the ship look OP and not the ship itself.

 

Cheers.

[Historynerd]

Yeah, I thought the same when I saw him drop torps from second line... *cringe*

 

I don't know yet about torps, they seem to come way more in handy than before, but I can't use them properly, so my opinion doesn't count for much...

The turn rate, though, didn't seem that bad, to need such a buff. She was agile before, did we need ballerina-level agility?

 

Personally, I would've just kept the turret traverse buff, and added just a bit more range.

 

I don't know if it's WG trying to make ends meet or something, or the devs trying to find a unique niche for Italian cruisers (nice AP, bad HE, long-range stealth torpedoes). I hope it's not the latter.

 

She doesn't seem that "melty", though. Even against a BB at close range she didn't exactly evaporate. You can turn easily and angle very much, and increase rather well the time you will survive, enough to drop torps or use your guns to finish the job.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

What the hell WG. This is just so obvious P2W.

 

I really hope you have "we dont Nerf premiums", because if you do nerf them, this is gonna hit you hard in the rear.

 

 

 

 

 

@5:25 iChase says "I'm kind of exasperated by Wargaming ..." then explains why "this power creep - it's just not stopping..."

There is some truth in this, at least for Premiums. Players of the regular German DD line, and future French cruiser line may disagree of course!

 

TBH, I don't think that any of the recent regular lines have improved the game overall (German BBs, Royal Navy cruisers, IJN DD split, Russian DD split, German DDs)

A battelfield of BBs and smoke.

 

[Arctiheat_]

If you compare her to Budyonny she doesn't seem that OP since the Russian cruiser is superior in everything except speed(which is situational), torpedoes(in case of the stock hull, the upgraded one is superior) and secondary/AA(as in case of the torpedoes).

 

I wasn't suggesting that it was op but it is stronger than the Leander and I can defiantly say that it doesn't suffer from all of the problems that other tier 6 cruisers suffer from.

 

Also the Belfast and the Fiji have the same winrate and the Fiji on average has more damage and kill so how could you suggest that the Belfast is op if the cruiser from the same tier as it has basically the same results on average?

[Spellfire40]

As usall turned a "need some skill to perform" in another spam from max range ship. Like I said in another topic: I'd like that torps on my Zao please? Or 90% of IJN DDs.  Lots of pink Italians Inc soon. Now since it's clear that WG only cares about pumping out more and more powerfull prems wich and don't careabout friendly fire please Kitakami as the next prem cruiser best with shima 12km torps. BUT to make her more balanced with Us smoke.

[Z_OnkelE]

I also 'enjoy' iShill complaining about 'powercreep cruisers' but calling 'RPF is fine'

 

Yeah lately he is not getting his stuff together, at all. Regarding the lowered citadel on the Alabama he claimed shells will now break instead of register a citadel hit. Totally "legit" when armour thickness is not changed... (maybe he hasn't heard of normal penetrations or overpenetration hits... oh wait)

 

Regarding the ship: from the video I saw I just don't understand the necessity of that change  (besides money ofcourse). Those torpedoes looked fine...

[P4RDUS]

I guess, for some players even crispy krim is OP. Because premium omg!!!

 

Even Belfast is fine in random battles, can not say the same for ranked, but it is a different topic. 

 

Should the story of every premium ship end like murmansk or tirpitz?

[Historynerd]

 

 

I remembered this.

If you please, please refer to this ship as the "Aosta".

There are other ships, likely to come in the Italian tree, that are named after dukes, therefore calling this "Duca" might lead to confusion.

[mtm78]

 

Yeah lately he is not getting his stuff together, at all. Regarding the lowered citadel on the Alabama he claimed shells will now break instead of register a citadel hit. Totally "legit" when armour thickness is not changed... (maybe he hasn't heard of normal penetrations or overpenetration hits... oh wait)

 

Regarding the ship: from the video I saw I just don't understand the necessity of that change  (besides money ofcourse). Those torpedoes looked fine...

 

4.5 made the point of the ship clear: be agressive, use the speed to take agressive positions and support your DD's from close range. Now people will spam 12km torps 14km from their enemies, and it's only 14km because that's the max gun range

 

Even Belfast is fine in random battles

 

Belfast is one off the most broken ship in the game, close to Black. 

[kfa]

It will never be OP because it is Tier6. Without handicapped matchmaking a lot of ships would be borderline OP (Fuso, Murmansk, Warspite - yes i am serious) but as long as in your battles you are 66% bottom tier its nothing special.

[Historynerd]

4.5 made the point of the ship clear: be agressive, use the speed to take agressive positions and support your DD's from close range. Now people will spam 12km torps 14km from their enemies, and it's only 14km because that's the max gun range

 

 

Belfast is one off the most broken ship in the game, close to Black. 

 

Well, I'm not too sure of this, maybe the point also included "but not too closely", since you didn't have smoke to hide in, or the armor to tank, and the original turret traverse meant that dishing damage while WASD-hacking was a bit problematic.

 

But I like the spirit.

I mean, it's what the namesake of the ship, the Duke of Aosta, made when he commanded the 3a Armata. 

And maybe it could save the skipper a few jokes about "hey, you're going away, are you going to change sides?" 

[Spellfire40]

 

I remembered this.

If you please, please refer to this ship as the "Aosta".

There are other ships, likely to come in the Italian tree, that are named after dukes, therefore calling this "Duca" might lead to confusion.

Since when do someone can correct a petname once it sticks? Trashkent will be always be Trashkent and Duca won't be treated any better .

[P4RDUS]

Belfast is one off the most broken ship in the game, close to Black. 

Well i did not play Belfast. But never really had a problem against her in random battles. My IJN CAs can still citadel her. She might be kind of OP in some situations but not a gamebreaker or an OP ship in my opinion. 

 

Can not say the same for black. Giving radar to a Dd is stupid as .....

[Historynerd]

Since when do someone can correct a petname once it sticks? Trashkent will be always be Trashkent and Duca won't be treated any better .

 

Are there other ships that can conceivably appear in-game named after that city?

This is a peculiar situation, because we Italians had our own peculiar way to name things, so people better learn.

[Niibler]

Inb4 T6 ranked season?

 

Now for real, finally a good torp boat! 

[Kruzenstern]

Seeing how imho torps with very long range (> 8km) are one of the main reasons for the defensive play of oh so many BBs, I really don't like this torp 'buff' to a ship that wasn't that bad to begin with. A bit of turret traverse and maybe a slight gun range and camo buff were all that she needed imho...

[Deamon93]

 

I wasn't suggesting that it was op but it is stronger than the Leander and I can defiantly say that it doesn't suffer from all of the problems that other tier 6 cruisers suffer from.

 

Also the Belfast and the Fiji have the same winrate and the Fiji on average has more damage and kill so how could you suggest that the Belfast is op if the cruiser from the same tier as it has basically the same results on average?

 

Leander is a mess since she has to rely on WG gimmicks to survive(also because they decided to remove HE in all RN cruisers except Belfast). Compared to CLs at tier VI released(so no La Galissoniere):

-Buddy: as stated inferior across the board except speed(in case of the upgraded hull)

-Nurnberg: inferior in firepower(in primary and torpedo armament) but superior in protection(abeit not massively since decapping isn't a thing) and speed

-Cleveland: inferior in everything except speed and torpedo armament(since Cleveland doesn't have any)

 

[Dragnorak]

Torps from the second line. Bane of my life!

[tajj7]

Still not seeing how it's OP.

 

I can see the arguments for the Belfast being OP (but don't agree) but this is a stretch. it wasn't OP before, how does having very slow 12km torps suddenly make it OP? 

 

IMO people just freak about premiums and start screaming pay to win without really using their brains. 

[Azalgor]

 OP this, OP that, go watch Flamus vids, hell say it just right, and new ingame lines like the upcoming French tree are crap, Buy prem ships they are recomendable, dont grind regular ships - they suck. He and some others from RU observers like GetFun have crawled so deep into WG buthole they cant see the light of day anymore, and any new prem ship should be WAAAAAY stronger than the free one, otherwise it wont sell.

 Kids hear that and yell - P2W! 

[Arctiheat_]

The Belfast is not broken or op in any way it might have strong dpm but it gets destroyed by any pens if you look at the competitive win rate it is only 2% higher than the Fiji with less average damage per game how can this make it op if it were op it would be >60% win rate with damage numbers to rival any battleship

 

The Aosta was fine as it was I don't see any problems, it has good damage potential and fairly poor armour that will cause the ship to get destroyed and this strikes a good balance, I think they should make the torps 4.5km again