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Throughout the years, the Royal Navy has had quite a large number of destroyers in service, particularly during the period that the game represents. As a result they can field more than one line. This is what I think should happen first.

 

As a picture:

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Unfortunately the data listed below is incomplete. In the case of detection, rudder shift, etc. those are often used by WG for balancing. Some AA guns also have no certain value yet, in which case the minimal value is given, if there is something comparable.

 

Regular ships:

 

Tier II: M – “Matchless”

 

Background:

Ordered under the 1913-14 estimates, the 13 ships of the M class represent a modest improvement over the previous year’s flotilla, the L class. They were faster than their predecessors, in rating at least. It proved to be a very good design, forming the basis of most of the destroyers built in WWI.

            All served extensively in WWI. As a result of that service they were badly worn out, and the advent of later designs meant that they were no longer as powerful as they once were; all were disposed of in 1920/21.

 

In Game stats:

Hull A:

 

Health: 9000

Dimensions: 83.4m x 8.2m x 2.6m

Speed: 34 knots

Main Armament: 3 x 1 QF 4”/40 Mk IV.

                        14 rpm of 14.1kg shell @ 722mps doing 1500 dmg (AP)

            14 rpm of 14.1kg shell @ 722mps doing 1300 dmg (HE) with 5% fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 1 1.5pdr Mk I

                        ? dps @ ?

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 2 533mm

                        Mk II*: 10,000 to 6,000m @ 53kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

AA Battery: 2 x 1 2pdr Mk II

                        11 dps @ 2.0km

 

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 2 533mm

                        Mk II**: 11,967 to 6,000m @ 53kts

 

Tier III: V Leader – “Valentine”

 

Background:

The existing destroyer leaders in service, Marksman et al, were not fast enough to keep up with the new R class destroyers. The V Leader was designed to correct that. Furthermore, they utilised the longer & more powerful Quick Firing Mk V gun first used on the Arethusa class cruisers. Most were laid up at the beginning of the thirties, with two of the five being broken up before WWII began. Of the remaining three, Vampire was transferred to the RAN to replace the aging S class destroyers then in service the, later being sunk by the Japanese near Ceylon (modern day Sri Lanka). The two ships remaining were converted into fast anti-air escorts, as a stop-gap until the first of the Hunt class destroyers were completed. Valentine herself was sunk in the mouth of the Scheldt whilst Valorous survived the war to be broken up from 1947.

 

In-game stats: 

Hull A:

 

Health: 10000

Dimensions: 95.1m x 9.0m x 3.2m

Speed: 34 knots

Main Armament: 4 x 1 QF 4”/45 Mk V.

                        15 rpm of 15.2kg shell @ 805mps doing 1700 dmg (AP)

            15 rpm of 14.06kg shell @ 805mps doing 1300 dmg (HE) with 5 % fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 1 2pdr Mk II

                        11 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 2 533mm

                        Mk IV: 11,967 to 6,000m @ 59kts

                                                     7,500m @ 57kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 3 533mm

                        Mk IV: 11,967 to 6,000m @ 59kts

                                                     7,500m @ 57kts

 

 

Tier IV: Modified W – “Witch”

 

Background:

A development of the V class destroyers and the initial repeats of the W class. The main gun was changed to a modified army 4.7” gun, as new German destroyers under construction were thought to be armed with 5” weapons. These ships carried triple torpedo tubes from the outset. Completed too late to serve in WWI, these ships all served in WWII. Of the 16 complete ships, two were lost as a result of air attack, one to a submarine whilst another was heavily damaged by a mine and never repaired. The remainder were broken up post war, having largely served as convoy escorts during the war.

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

 

Health: 10200

Dimensions: 95.1m x 9.0m x 3.2m

Speed: 34 knots

Main Armament: 4 x 1 BL 4.7”/45 Mk I

                        5-6 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 814mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            5-6 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 814mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 1 2pdr Mk II

                        11 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 3 533mm

                        Mk IV: 11,967 to 6,000m @ 59kts

                                                     7,500m @ 57kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

AA Battery: 4 x 1 20mm Oerlikon Mk III

                        14.4 dps @ 2.0km

 

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 3 533mm

                        Mk V: 11,967 to 6,000m @ 59kts

                                                    7,500m @ 57kts

 

Tier V: A & B – “Anthony”

 

Background

            17 ships ordered under the 1927 & 28 programmes, plus two more ships ordered by the RCN. These ships were developments of the ideas put forward in the one off ships Amazon & Ambuscade. The key difference was an improved main gun, with a notable increase in its rate of fire, and the use of quadruple torpedo tubes.

            In serving in WWII, these ships took heavy losses. By the end of 1940, 7 ships had been lost. By the end of the war, that total had risen to 10, with another having been so badly damaged that they never saw frontline service again, one not being repaired at all the other being repaired enough to serve as a training ship only. The survivors were broken up post war.

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

 

Health: 11300

Dimensions: 98.5m x 9.83m x 3.73m

Speed: 35.25 knots

Main Armament: 4 x 1 QF 4.7”/45 Mk IX.

                        7-10 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            7-10 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7% fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 1 2pdr Mk II

                        11 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 4 533mm

                        Mk V: 11,967 to 6,000m @ 59kts

                                                    7,500m @ 57kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

AA Battery: 4 x 1 20mm Oerlikon Mk III

                        14.4 dps @ 2.0km

 

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 4 533mm

                        Mk IX: 15,433 to 8,000m @ 61kts

                                                     9,600m @ 57kts

 

 

Tier VI: G, H & I – “Icarus”

 

Background:

            24 ships ordered in groups of 8 under the programmes of 1933-35. Minor improvements were made between the ships of different programmes. Notable for introducing the new style of bridge that would be seen from these up until the Battle class destroyers and the quintuple torpedo tubes, which would also be seen on the final class of gun destroyer built.

            Bearing the brunt of early WWII service, a total of 17 ships were lost in the war, of which 8 were by the end of 1940. Ships of these classes served with the Polish, Canadian, Dutch & Dominican navies during or after the war. The survivors were broken up post war.

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

 

Health: 11800

Dimensions: 98.5m x 10.1m x 3.78m

Speed: 36 knots

Main Armament: 4 x 1 QF 4.7”/45 Mk IX.

                        7-10 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            7-10 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 4 0.5”/62 Mk III

                        4.2 dps @ 1.2km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX: 15,433 to 8,000m @ 61kts

                                                     9,600m @ 57kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

AA Battery: 4 x 2 20mm Oerlikon Mk V

                        24.4 dps @ 2.0km

 

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Hull C Changes:

 

AA Battery: 4 x 1 40mm Bofors “Boffin”

                             26-30 dps @3.5km

 

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 4

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Tier VII: J, K & N – “Nerissa”

 

Background

            Not everyone was happy with the Tribal class destroyers, and how they prioritised the gun over the torpedo. To that end, the J class was developed to have a more balanced approach. 24 ships were ordered, 16 under the 1937 Estimates and 8 under the 1939 Estimates.

            Being amongst the best Royal Navy destroyers at the outbreak of war, they took heavy casualties. Of the first two classes, 12 were lost during the war, with the survivors being broken up post one, Jervis having served for a relatively short while as a training ship. Of the last 8, only one served with the Royal Navy; one went to Poland, two to the Netherlands and the balance of four served in the RAN. Only one of the latter was lost, the rest surviving the war to serve post war for about a decade before being broken up.  

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

 

Health: 13900

Dimensions: 108.7m x 10.9m x 4.16m

Speed: 36 knots

Main Armament: 3 x 2 QF 4.7”/45 Mk XII.

                        12 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            12 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7% fire chance

                        10°/s

AA Battery: 1 x 4 2pdr Mk VIII

                           14 dps @ 2.5km

                     2 x 4 0.5”/62 Mk III

                           4.2 dps @ 1.2km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX: 15,433 to 8,000m @ 61kts

                                                     9,600m @ 57kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

AA Battery: 1 x 4 2pdr Mk VIII

                           14 dps @ 2.5km

                     4 x 2 20mm Oerlikon Mk V

                            24.4 dps @ 2.0km

                     2 x 1 20mm Oerlikon Mk III

                            14.4 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Hull C Changes:

 

AA Battery: 1 x 2 40mm Bofors Mk V

                           12.3dps @ 3.5km

                     4 x 1 40mm Bofors Mk III

                            30 dps @3.5km

 

Tier VIII: Gael – “Gael"

 

Background:

            16 ships of these ships were authorised as smaller counterparts to the Daring class destroyers in the 1944 Estimates. More Darings couldn’t be built due to size limitations of the docks available. This is a recurring theme in older naval powers like the UK, France & Italy.

            Only eight ships were actually ordered, and all were cancelled at the end of 1945 due to the end of hostilities, and the significant number of ships already available or just fitting out.

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

Health: 15700

Dimensions: 111.3m x 12.0m x 4.32m

Speed: 33.75 knots

Main Armament: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V.

                        14-24 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            14-24 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1,600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire chance

                        25°/s

AA Battery: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V

                           35.6 dps @ 5.0km

                     2 x 2 40mm Bofors STAAG Mk II

                           50.8 dps @ 3.5km

                     2 x 1 40mm Bofors Mk III

                           15 dps @ 3.5km

                     2 x 2 20mm Oerlikon Mk V

                            12.2 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX: 15,433 to 8,000m @ 61kts

                                                     9,600m @ 57kts

 

Hull B Changes:

 

AA Battery: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V

                           35.6 dps @ 5.0km

                     2 x 2 40mm Bofors STAAG Mk II

                           50.8 dps @ 3.5km

                     4 x 1 40mm Bofors Mk VII

                            30+ dps @ 3.5km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Tier IX: Battle – “Jutland

 

Background:

            42 ships ordered; 16 ships under the 1942 Estimates and 24 ships under the 1943 Estimates, plus two ordered by Australia. Three subgroups in total, split 16, 16, 10 respectively. All save the Australian ships were named after battles, all of which were victories, although some (Oudenarde, Sluys & Talavera) were clearer cut than others (Solebay, Dunkirk & Jutland).

            Whilst all 16 ships of the first group were completed, only half of the second group were, and all of the British 3rd group ships were cancelled. All cancellations were made at the end of 1945. The remaining ships served post war, with the last ships in British service not being disposed of until the 1970s, and the last ship of the class in total, the ex-Sluys, sold to Iran, whose ultimate fate remains unknown, but is said to still have been in service in the 1990s.

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

Health: 18200

Dimensions: 115.5m x 12.3m x 4.62m

Speed: 35.75 knots

Main Armament: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk IV on RP 10 Mk IV.

                        12 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            12 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire  chance

                        20°/s

AA Battery: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk IV

                           ? dps @ 5.0 km

                     4 x 2 40mm Bofors Mk IV

                           45.2+ dps @ 3.5km

                     4 x 1 40mm Bofors Mk III

                           30 dps @ 3.5km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Hull B:

Health: 18700

Dimensions: 115.5m x 12.3m x 4.67m

Speed: 35.75 knots

Main Armament: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk IV on RP 10 Mk IV*

                        20 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            20 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire  chance

                        20°/s

                            1 x 1 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V on RP 50 Mk V*

                         14 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

             14 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire  chance

             20°/s

AA Battery: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk IV

                           ? dps @ 5.0 km

                     1 x 1 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V

                           ? dps @ ? km

                     2 x 2 40mm Bofors STAAG Mk II

                            50.8 dps @ 3.5km

                     1 x 2 40mm Bofors Mk V

                           12.3dps @ 3.5km

                     4 x 1 40mm Bofors Mk VII

                           30+ dps @ 3.5km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Hull C:

Health: 18900

Dimensions: 115.5m x 12.5m x 4.67m

Speed: 35.75 knots

Main Armament: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V.

                        24 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            24 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1,600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire  chance

                        25°/s

AA Battery: 2 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V

                           35.6 dps @ 5.0km

                     3 x 2 40mm Bofors STAAG Mk II

                           76.2 dps @ 3.5km

                     6 x 1 40mm Bofors Mk VII

                           45+ dps @ 3.5km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX**: 16,767 to 10,000m @ 62kts

                                                         13,700m @ 57kts

 

Tier X: Daring – “Daring”

 

Background:

            16 ships of this class were ordered under the 1944 Estimates. One flotilla of eight ships was completed, with the other eight being cancelled. These proved to be the last of the conventional destroyers built for the Royal Navy. Australia ordered four ships, but those will be covered in a later topic.

            These ships served in the Royal Navy capably. They were supplanted in service as the forefront of the destroyer fleet by the County class DDGs, before being removed from frontline service in anticipation of the Type 42 destroyers. Four were scrapped. One became a training ship, one had been sold to Australia some years earlier to replace one of their own losses, and two were sold to Peru. The last of the latter was only decommissioned in 2007.

 

In-game stats:

Hull A:

Health: 19500

Dimensions: 118.9m x 13.1m x 4.14m

Speed: 34.75 knots

Main Armament: 3 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V.

                        24 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            24 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1,600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire  chance

                        25°/s

AA Battery: 3 x 2 QF 4.5”/45 Mk V

                           53.4 dps @ 5.0km

                     2 x 2 40mm Bofors STAAG Mk II

                            50.8 dps @ 3.5km

                     1 x 2 40mm Bofors Mk V

                           12.3dps @ 3.5km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX**: 16,767 to 10,000m @ 62kts

                                                         13,700m @ 57kts

 

Premiums:

 

Tier II Premium: Talisman – “Talisman”

 

Background:

            Four destroyers were on order for the Ottoman Empire in 1914, apparently. The ships did not conform to Admiralty standards, regardless. They were taken over at the outbreak of war.

           All served during the war. The last ship, Turbulent, was finished on the 12th May 1916, and sunk less than three weeks later during the Battle of Jutland. The other three ships survived the war, to be scrapped.

 

In-game stats:

Health: 9300

Dimensions: 94.2m x 8.71m x 2.9m

Speed: 32 knots

Main Armament: 5 x 1 QF 4”/40 Mk IV.

                        14 rpm of 14.1kg shell @ 722mps doing 1500 dmg (AP)

            14 rpm of 14.1kg shell @ 722mps doing 1300 dmg (HE) with 5% fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 2 533mm

                        Mk II*: 10,000 to 6,000m @ 53kts

 

Tier III Premium: Wickes – “Campbeltown”

 

You know Campbeltown. Go buy her.

 

Tier IV Premium: Thornycroft V specials – “Viceroy

 

Background:

            It was realised during the late 1930s that a fast anti air escort would almost certainly be needed. To that end the Hunt class was designed. However, there would be a vulnerable time where there would not be any in service. To correct that it was proposed to convert 20 of the older V & W class destroyers. This conversion was known as WAIR. In the end a smaller number were converted.

            Viceroy herself was built to a slightly different to most of her peers, to Thornycroft’s own design to the same brief. She served in the Grand Fleet in the last year of WWI, and throughout the interwar period. She spent her active months of WWII doing escort duty. She survived the war, to be scrapped.

 

In-game stats:

Health: 10900

Dimensions: 95.1m x 9.37 x 2.9m

Speed: 34 knots

Main Armament: 2 x 2 QF 4”/45 Mk XVI.

                        20 rpm of 16.35kg shell @ 811mps doing 1800 dmg (AP)

            20 rpm of 15.88kg shell @ 811mps doing 1500 dmg (HE) with 6 % fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 2 QF 4”/45 Mk XVI

                           19dps @ 5.0km

                     3 x 1 2pdr Mk II

                           16.5 dps @ 2.0km

                     4 x 1 20mm Oerlikon Mk III

                           14.4 dps @ 2.0km

 

Tier V Premium: Havant – “Havant”

 

Background:

            In 1938, Brazil ordered 6 destroyers in Britain, presumably to counter a similar Argentine order in 1934. However, the six ships were purchased at the outbreak of war, being given H names. This was done because the design was based on the H class blueprints. However, there were a number of differences in equipment, such as fire control, as the latest hadn’t been cleared for export at that time. The ships were finished without Y gun so they could carry an enhanced Anti Submarine Warfare array.

            Half of the six ships were lost during the war. Havant herself was lost off Dunkirk to German air attack. Harvester was lost to a German submarine, having been damaged after ramming a different one earlier. Hurricane has the odd distinction of having been sunk twice; she was bombed whilst alongside in Liverpool, salvaged & decommissioned before being abandoned & sunk by a friendly after being crippled by a German submarine. The remaining three ships were broken up post war, unwanted by the Royal Navy who had better ships available, or Brazil, who had ordered replacements from the USA and were in the process of building some themselves.

 

In-game stats:

Health: 12100

Dimensions: 98.5m x 10.1m x 3.89m

Speed: 35 knots

Main Armament: 3 x 1 QF 4.7”/45 Mk IX.

                        7-10 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

            7-10 rpm of 22.68kg shell @ 808mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7% fire chance

                        Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 2 x 1 2pdr Mk II

                           11 dps @ 2.0km

                     2 x 1 20mm Oerlikon Mk III

                           7.2 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 4 533mm

                        Mk IX: 15,433 to 8,000m @ 61kts

                                                     9,600m @ 57kts

 

Tier VII Premium: Z & Ca – “Cavalier”

 

Background:

            Cavalier was one of x destroyers authorised under the 1941 Estimates, one of the 11th Emergency Flotilla. As the previous flotilla of destroyers had ‘Z’ names, it was originally planned for the last 8 ships to carry names beginning with letters used by earlier “Emergency War” destroyers such as Pellew, Pique & Tourmaline. However it was eventually decided to have the flotilla have “Ca” names. Built in Cowes by J. Samuel White and Company on the Isle of Wight, along with her sister Carysfort, she was commissioned in 1944.

            She earned herself the “Arctic 1945” battle honour for her service in that theatre during the war. Post war she had a pretty typical career; guarding British installations, partaking in exercises & quelling unrest. In total she served for 28 years, being paid off in 1972. After a number of schemes fell through, she eventually ended up in the No. 2 drydock of the Historic Dockyard Chatham, where she can be visited today, largely as she was after her 1955-57 modernisation.

 

In-game stats:

Health: 14700

Dimensions: 110.6m x 10.9m x 4.34m

Speed: 36.75 knots

Main Armament: 4 x 1 QF 4.5”/45 Mk IV

                         14 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 2000 dmg (AP)

             14 rpm of 25kg shell @ 746mps doing 1600 dmg (HE) with 7 % fire  chance

             Manual Traverse

AA Battery: 4 x 1 QF 4.5”/45 Mk IV

                           ? dps @ ?

                     1 x 2 40mm Bofors Mk IV

                           11.3+ dps @ 3.5km

                     2 x 2 20mm Oerlikon Mk V

                            12.2 dps @ 2.0km

                     2 x 1 20mm Oerlikon Mk III

                           7.2 dps @ 2.0km

Torpedo Battery: 2 x 5 533mm

                        Mk IX*: 15,433 to 8,500m @ 61kts

                                                       10,050m @ 57kts

 

Many thanks to Phoenix_jz for assistance with the HP & damage calculations. 

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no point of speculation until wg says what ships come in

 

That's the only time for speculation. You can't speculate when they tell us what ships will be in. 
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So... No place for a little Tribal? :(

 

yeah I'd be damned disappointed if there was no tribal class

 

Also, WHERE IS HMS ELECTRA!?!?!?

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...This is what I think should happen first...

Interesting stats.  The guns seem smallish and the torpedo, speed wise, seems average.  With the recent nerf to DD gun blooms, would you speculate these would be much more torpedo orientated? 

 

I am a DD main, but would prefer to see British BBs first.  

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You are aware that you are expecting ships that are actually new and useable at the same time?

They're British, so, given WG's current record, I'd be more inclined to think not. 

 

no point of speculation until wg says what ships come in

People have been speculating for five years, before Alpha had even begun. 

 

Interesting stats.  The guns seem smallish and the torpedo, speed wise, seems average.  With the recent nerf to DD gun blooms, would you speculate these would be much more torpedo orientated? 

 

I am a DD main, but would prefer to see British BBs first.  

I always thought they'd be more torpedo boats, honestly. 

 

Given that there is only 3 battleship lines versus 4 for destroyers, I can appreciate the sentiment. 

 

So... No place for a little Tribal? :(

yeah I'd be damned disappointed if there was no tribal class

Why would it be called "The Beginning" if there wasn't "The Middle" and "The End" as well?

Theres also an Appendix in this case.

 

Also, WHERE IS HMS ELECTRA!?!?!?

I will hold my hands up on this one, I basically ignored the C, D, E & F classes.

"oops?"

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I will hold my hands up on this one, I basically ignored the C, D, E & F classes.

"oops?"

I meant Electra specifically as a premium

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Interesting stats.  The guns seem smallish and the torpedo, speed wise, seems average.  With the recent nerf to DD gun blooms, would you speculate these would be much more torpedo orientated? 

 

I am a DD main, but would prefer to see British BBs first.  

 

Yeah the game really really needs more BB lines :D

 

Ow wait... 

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Please don't buy Campbeltown. It has a tremendous flaw in the context of the game. This is an early stealth torp DD. At a tier where even the battleships can boast impressive maneuverability. And it's not like the torps are amazingly fast either, they're on the low end. They're resonably stealthy, but both hydro and Vigilance are already available to many ships you will encounter. Nor can you spam them, in fact you awkwardly have to wiggle around to launch them all. Same for the guns. I have played dozens of ships, Campbeltown is the one I can describle as downright awkward to use.

 

On a related note, one thing I require of my stealthy DDs is enough AA to deter CVs parking their planes over me and ruining my entire build. Unfortunately I doubt we'll see another line that gets Def AA.

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Yeah the game really really needs more BB lines :D

 

Ow wait... 

To be honest, two points: I find it hard to think of BBs with out thinking of British BBs; and second I would prefer WG to wait to introduce another DD line until they get their act together with regards to DDs.  

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To be honest, two points: I find it hard to think of BBs with out thinking of British BBs; and second I would prefer WG to wait to introduce another DD line until they get their act together with regards to DDs.  

 

We need more cruisers... it's just sad they FR line looks pretty .... underwhelming so far :)

 

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We need more cruisers... it's just sad they FR line looks pretty .... underwhelming so far :)

 

 

 Italian cruisers this year... maybe?

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Watch how they still manage to include paper ships despite the abundance of historical ships available.

 

But anyway I for one am probably looking forward to RN DDs more than BBs. 

 

Would be nice to see Cavalier soon as a premium.

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Also would be nice to se Haida for the Canadians 

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I would prefer WG to wait to introduce another DD line until they get their act together with regards to DDs.

 

It's a sad state of affairs when players don't want WG to introduce new content because they expect it to be terrible.
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Not actually some bad suggestions although a few suggestions/corrections from me as generally pretty similar to my list, and yes the other weekend i sat down for lunch with 4 retired royal navy officers (aka the family 2 Cmdr, 1 Cpt, 1 Lt Cmdr) with service history between the four of them stretching from 1949 until 2008
and discussed the royal navy line in world of warships and evolution of destroyers.

one thing the eldest corrected me on was in regards to Daring Class who served on Diamond
When the Daring Class were built they had Septuple launchers for their torpedos, so 2*7 launchers for their mark 9 torpedoes so that is one correction give them their historical armament before they were modernised as AA ships. 

However, given the sheer number of Royal Navy Destroyers i think it is entirely possible to create three separate/sub-lines up to T8 
you can have your "Balanced" with it being the main line up to the Daring at T10, and then a set of Gunships from T5 to T8 with the Tribal Class being the Top, AA Destroyers with the C (Caprice) Class. 

 

The RN Destroyers also offer a heck of alot of capability for premiums due to how many were used by other navies, for the Commonwealth navies you have as mentioned before HMCS Hadia and also HMCS Saguenay for Canada. HMAS Napier for Australia and Vampire if you want low tier. 

*edit: they are DD's not Cruisers :P

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We need more cruisers... it's just sad they FR line looks pretty .... underwhelming so far :)

 

Not so sure we need MORE cruisers. But I think they need to be more enjoyable. I've started playing them a lot more lately, but some matches are just painful. A lot of it due to RNG, actually - random citadels. Ironically, this means the mechanic used to nerf BBs makes both BBs and the other classes less enjoyable.

 

I have a half-baked idea of gradual target acquisition that could do away with a lot of RNG, but I'm not finished thinking it through yet. Mostly I'm worried about the possible effects of aimbots.

 

(Basic idea: targets need to be acquired/firing solution calculated. Acquisition is not binary as it is now,  but gradual. Better firing solution gives less RNG in salvo. Firing subsequent salvoes helps acquire the target. Maneuvers, long distance, smoke, secondary spotting, etc. all degrade lock-on. BBs fire more seldom, and maneuver more slowly so take longer to acquire/re--acquire target.)

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and yes the other weekend i sat down for lunch with 4 retired royal navy officers (aka the family 2 Cmdr, 1 Cpt, 1 Lt Cmdr) with service history between the four of them stretching from 1949 until 2008

Respect! :honoring:

 

However, given the sheer number of Royal Navy Cruisers i think it is entirely possible to create three separate/sub-lines up to T8 

 

you can have your "Balanced" with it being the main line up to the Daring at T10, and then a set of Gunships from T5 to T8 with the Tribal Class being the Top, AA Destroyers with the C (Caprice) Class. 

 

Interesting Freudian slip there, referring to them a "Cruisers" when talking about potential RN Destroyers!

Maybe it is not surprising given that many people have remarked that they consider the RN Cruiser line as almost a DD/CL hybrid.

Wouldn't it be a laugh if RN Gunboat DDs were actually more like cruisers than the actual CL line itself! :D

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Respect! :honoring:

 

 

Interesting Freudian slip there, referring to them a "Cruisers" when talking about potential RN Destroyers!

Maybe it is not surprising given that many people have remarked that they consider the RN Cruiser line as almost a DD/CL hybrid.

Wouldn't it be a laugh if RN Gunboat DDs were actually more like cruisers than the actual CL line itself! :D

 

Doh, thx and corrected

 

although to be fair the royal navy had 12 classes of cruisers operational at start of WW2 (excluding sub-classes eg HMS Exeter was a totally different design to HMS York despite them officially being the same class) 

with sub-classes  i count 18 classes and sub-classes at start of WW2

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However, given the sheer number of Royal Navy Cruisers i think it is entirely possible to create three separate/sub-lines up to T8 

 

Here's my latest take for 3 lines.

 

 

Tier Torpedo Torpedo progression   Brawlers Gun progression   Support AA progression
2 Laforey 2x2 Mk II   Swift 4 x 4" Mk VIII   -  
3 Sabre 2x2 Mk V   Parker 4 x 4" Mk VI   -  
4 Wakeful 3x2 Mk V   Faulknor 6 x 4" Mk VI   -  
5 Ambuscade 3x2 Mk IX   Scott 5 x 4.7" Mk I   Voyager 4 x 4" Mk V
6 Escapade 4x2 Mk IX   Codrington 5 x 4.7" Mk IX   Obedient 4 x 4" Mk V
7 Venus 4x2 Mk IX**   Eskimo 6 x 4.7" Mk XII   Caprice 4 x 4.5" Mk IV
8 Jackal 5x2 Mk IX**   Musketeer 6 x 4.7" Mk XI   Battleaxe 6 x 4" Mk XVI
9 Barfleur 5x2 Mk IXM   Nautilus 10 x 4.7" Mk XII   Gael 4 x 4.5" Mk IV
10 Daring 5x2 Mk IXM   Meteor 8 x 4.7" Mk XI   Devonshire 4 x 4.5" Mk IV 

 

Torpedo line is fairly standard (IJN/US hybrid)

Gun boat brawlers have SAP only.

Support line gets radar/sonar jammers, air radar and seacat SAM launchers from T9 (inc the premium Cav)

 

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Here's my latest take for 3 lines.

 

 

Tier Torpedo Torpedo progression   Brawlers Gun progression   Support AA progression
2 Laforey 2x2 Mk II   Swift 4 x 4" Mk VIII   -  
3 Sabre 2x2 Mk V   Parker 4 x 4" Mk VI   -  
4 Wakeful 3x2 Mk V   Faulknor 6 x 4" Mk VI   -  
5 Ambuscade 3x2 Mk IX   Scott 5 x 4.7" Mk I   Voyager 4 x 4" Mk V
6 Escapade 4x2 Mk IX   Codrington 5 x 4.7" Mk IX   Obedient 4 x 4" Mk V
7 Venus 4x2 Mk IX**   Eskimo 6 x 4.7" Mk XII   Caprice 4 x 4.5" Mk IV
8 Jackal 5x2 Mk IX**   Musketeer 6 x 4.7" Mk XI   Battleaxe 6 x 4" Mk XVI
9 Barfleur 5x2 Mk IXM   Nautilus 10 x 4.7" Mk XII   Gael 4 x 4.5" Mk IV
10 Daring 5x2 Mk IXM   Meteor 8 x 4.7" Mk XI   Devonshire 4 x 4.5" Mk IV 

 

Torpedo line is fairly standard (IJN/US hybrid)

Gun boat brawlers have SAP only.

Support line gets radar/sonar jammers, air radar and seacat SAM launchers from T9 (inc the premium Cav)

 

 

Respect to HMS Eskimo, but the Tribal class representative should be HMS Cossack, Shirley?

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Respect to HMS Eskimo, but the Tribal class representative should be HMS Cossack, Shirley?

 

'Don't call me Shirley.'

 

Eskimo instead of Cossack is a hold-over from the original discussion (which Mr3awesome & creamgravy have participated in) from (shameless plug time)

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/64198-royal-navy-tech-tree-proposal/page__st__60__pid__1652164#entry1652164

 

Cossack was being proposed as a Premium.

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