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Are Omaha and Cleveland indicative of what's to come?

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Because if the rest of the line is like this, I think I'm in love. Two fantastic matches in the Omaha today, one with 108k damage and 4 sunk with 1 Arsonist, one where I charged into the enemy base against a carrier, cruiser and battleship by myself and sank all three (98k damage) and on my first match with the Cleaver, I got a Kraken...

 

Yeah, this is good stuff. I like it.

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Omaha is pretty unique for the USN cruiser tree, only comparable with its predecessor.  The Cleveland could be considered as the peak of USN cruiser line, before finally reaching it´s bigger brother at tier X. Especially the tier 7 cruiser, the Pensacola, is considered as a real downfall from the Cleveland, since it lacks almost everything in terms of survivability, the Cleveland has to offer. I like the Pensacole pretty much, but she is a challanging ship, and a demanding one aswell.

If you like the Omaha and want to keep her playing, you might consider to get a Murmansk, the tier 5 russian premium cruiser. It is basically an Omaha, improved by superior russian technology, outclassing the regular Omaha in almost any aspect. Not by far, but better...

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Omaha teaches you how deadly a mistake can be. But at tier5 most enemies are not very skilled so you don't get punished all the time. Cleveland is a great tier6 cruiser. Pensacola is a tough ride. It has great guns and if you can make them sing they can truly lay waste to the enemies. But like in the Omaha you get punished hard when you make mistakes. And at tier7 people have caught up and will not waste that opportunity very often. 

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omaha is one of my favorite ships, i bought a murmansk as well, because its a premium omaha. very squishy but fun to play.

cleveland was not to my taste to be honest, good armor almost impossible to citadel but crap gun arcs and shell speed.

 

what follows in the line is a mix bag of omahas squishyness and crappy balistic properties of cleveland. on the up side you get a good rate of fire and a beastly AA defence. and at high tiers they got a good radar consumable that stays active for a long time.

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beastly AA defence

 

Just a heads up: Pensacola has pathetic AA defense, while NO's AA is only good for self defense due to poor range and the majority of DPS in the short range guns. Cleve is actually better than both at escorting.

On the upside, Balti and DM are pretty much untouchable by planes.

 

I'd say play the Pensacola, keep in mind that she is a glass cannon and play her accordingly. If you like her chances are you're gonna like the rest of the line as well.

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Short answer, no. Pensacola is a change of pace although I found it to be a welcome one. The ship has a historic bad reputation but a lot of that comes from people blundering into it unprepared and expecting it to work like Cleveland. Also, she just had her main weakness (concealment) significantly buffed recently. She's a glass cannon, but now a sneaky one. Something that doesn't change from Omaha is the exemplary handling. Pensacola turns on a dime and is very responsive, one of the most agile cruisers in the game.

 

I recommend you try her as the next few are similar. Basically load AP, stalk enemy cruisers, farm citadels, dodge like a madman, rinse, repeat. The HE is reliable enough but don't be afraid to use AP on broadside BBs. The ship is more about positioning and alpha damage than DPM. Also forget AA escort duty, load hydro and troll DDs as you dance through their torp walls and hit them with the big guns.

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Answering your title: No, absolutly not. Pensacola and cleveland are almost the exact oposite of each other and how you play them. Every hit you take in pepsi hurts, so you need to learn how to dodge shots and kite BBs.

 

The thing is that high tier us cruisers are duelists. They exel in close to medium range fights with other cruisers and destroyers. But they have big problems against BBs, which there are lots of in matches now.

 

My best advice is to mount all the rudder shift uppgrades as they becomes availeble (DD handling on a cruiser is awesome :D) and division with DDs that can smoke you up, A DD division mate makes your life a lot easier, and when you get radar, you and your DD will own the initial cap push. If you got no ome to play with :( try finding someone to team up with in chat,  you will actually find DDs in a lot of matches willing to team up and give smoke for your support.

 

But dont give up on us cruisers. It can be frustrating to have to rely more on your team, but if you can find someone to division with then they can be very fun! Remember also that you have the best AP shots in the game! And its all kinds of fun owning broadside and smoked up cruisers with 15k-25k salvos (yes, that happens :D)

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When i started playing wows i chose to play US cruiser and BB line. Got to pensacola and stopped playing it there and i still havent finished it. It is terrible ship and they say that tier X Des Moines is next good ship. But who needs it when there is ships like zao, moskva and minotaur.

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Yes and no.

 

In some ways Omaha and Cleveland are outliers in the entire tree. Omaha is a special case in the US tree in actually having torps. Cleveland is another special case in having some of the best AA for the tier, in the entire game. Otherwise similar to Omaha, but more guns and no torps.

 

The rest of the tree (Pensacola - Des Moines) constitute the USN heavy cruisers, and are all about those excellent 200 mm guns. You'll be using AP a lot more in them. But in core gameplay they're still similar, in that they are agile, well-gunned, but relatively short-ranged cruisers. So just like in Omaha/Cleveland, you need to be brave, get way too close for comfort, and WASD like a madman to stay alive.

 

Personally, what I did was keep both the Omaha and Cleveland, and take a third captain to the heavy cruisers.

 

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I just bought the Cleveland back.

I'm up to Baltimore so far which isnt too bad ship.

Pensacola was something unbeliveably horrible, But I do have to admit that it has great main guns. Quite honestly it's floating citadel with couple guns.

New Orleans is agin a lot better ship, and with decent enough angling you can bounce even some battleship shells. Althuogh I would adveice against on pushing against battleships intentionally, as it is almost all RNGesus work.

How ever you can every now and then deliver citadel hits to even battleships.

Baltimore I dont have upgraded fully yet, but it feels like New Orleans 2.0

 

The Cleveland however... Yes the shots hang in the air for weeks if you shoot something bit further away, but when I bought it back and entered in a battle, my thoughts were "Was this ship really this good?"

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Cleveland is a pretty good brawler, especially against other Cruisers and has amazing AA.

 

I'd reckon the Pensicola and NO are not the same, whereas the Cleveland is probably the ship in the line most like the Des Moines. 

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The Pensacola and NO are still brawlers. They have very good concealment to help get into range and escape, turn exceptionally well and (unlike Cleveland) have turrets that can actually aim at full turn. They also have flatter arcs and more potent shells which make them a threat at any range they can reach. Of course, you lose the rate of fire with Pensacola, but it gradually builds back up.

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