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That's how one could call this ship, together with a few on the Russian Cruisers i played before i got her.

 

So why do i keep playing her would  you ask? Well it's simple, her guns are just fan-[edited]-tastic to say the least and i'm a gunner at heart. So i kept insisting into going to battle with her and keept being deleted by BBs (XP farming cowards) who know the ship reputation and prefer to waste a salvo on a potantial easy kill than taking care of the other BBs even if they are in range, [edited]

 

One of my friends in WoT (does he have any? Yes i do) suggested that i use Magazine Modification 1 instead of the usual Main Armament Modification 1, so i did, it cost me a few doublons, but after a game where, as usual the usual baby seal clubing Fuso tried and failed to do his usual K-Boom trick, i can confirm it works, my turests are now more vulnerable, but i don't go bang as it happened so many time before.

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Now remains the issue of WHY did W.G design a ship that is so easily detonated in the first place?

 

Is it OK or will we see a little change in the future, because this is just preventing the full enjoyment of the experience of playing Konigsberg, not that she is overpowered, she doesn't have smoke, or her torps aren't even as strong as that of an emerald (13,700HP/64kt vs 15,733HP/59kt), so why, W.G did you make of her a darn floating can of nitroglycerin which btw also burns like a barn?

 

Since my stats are not my primary concern and that i still have to learn to play her properly,  i will keep at it, but from my humble PoV, she is part (with the Kirov i think) of those ships which needs a little buff on their survivability to be fully playable.

 

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prefer to waste a salvo on a potantial easy kill than taking care of the other BBs even if they are in range

 

You know that the first cible of BB are CA? Right? You know that?

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, she is part (with the Kirov i think) of those ships which needs a little buff on their survivability to be fully playable.

 

L.O.L.

Yeah, sure, buff my Kirov survivability. So that I could take the sealclubbing to another level. Maybe I'll reach the 60k average damage, I found my 40k and 61%WR a little lacking for a tier 5. :trollface:

 

 

Actually I was laughing while reading the whole post.

You know, BB player actually tends to stop shooting at a cruisers when they avoided 2 salvoes and sail angled, because of the long reload. But if they find an opportunity to delete a cruiser, they will obviously take it. That's kind of natural.

 

Fighting BB in tier 5/6 is way easier for a cruiser that knows what's he's doing than in tier 8/10 actually.

 

And yes, DDs are supposed to takes on BBs ? I mean that's their job in the first place ? Especially at lower tier where BB are slow bricks without ruddershift module, and DDs are small, stealthy and agile ships with good torp reload ?

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:popcorn:

 

Yeah, that's right, BBs should focus on others BBs and certainly not taking a chance to delete a cruiser when they can. Yes, that's right.

 

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Do not get hit, then you do not detonate that often.

My Königsberg extremly rarely fails me.

 

Icon Name Tier Type Nation Battles ▼ WR Dmg XP K/D Sh☠ Pl☠ Srv MBH TH WTR
   
 
  Königsberg 5 CA/CL  Germany 178 62.36% 48,222 1,245 5.4 1.6 0.6 70% 27% 6% 1,630

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Do not get hit, then you do not detonate that often.

My Königsberg extremly rarely fails me.

 

Icon Name Tier Type Nation Battles ▼ WR Dmg XP K/D Sh☠ Pl☠ Srv MBH TH WTR
     
 
  Königsberg 5 CA/CL  Germany 178 62.36% 48,222 1,245 5.4 1.6 0.6 70% 27% 6% 1,630

 

Otherwise said: "Park your butt somewhere behind an island and invisifire them to obvlivion".

 

Did it occur to you guys that 1) this is not at all the way i want to play this game, then 2) you're not the only ones who knows how to dodge shells, and then again 3) It changes nothing to the fact that some players are just farming XP not playing the ships the way they were originally intended and designed for, the success of the new gunships and the way they play vs other DDs shows that very well, othervise i wouldn't have a 41% gun hit ratio with my akatsuki even so i engage everything else with guns more often than not.

 

As to what i do of her:

Now, considering that she never had invisifiring capabilities in the first place, even with Concealment Expert and gun mods, her relatively long reload time, her low Health pool, excellent torps, being probably the best ballanced DD in the game for all her averaged qualities, i can tell the difference in play style between baby seal clubers and myself.

 

I do what DDs are supposed to do, recon, spot, support, screening, conducting torp strikes, among those, you can be sure that the geezers choosing ships with one of another higher capability, especially guns among the DDs, are hard pressed to be very useful in the other aspects of their roles.

 

Here is my targets list in a DD (actually my last) game, more useful for my team than solely hunting DDs after having done all of the previously quoted including getting in a gunfight with a gunboat.

 

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Well, when it comes to Cruisers it's pretty much the same thing, you're not supposed to camp to the point you limit your fire angles and are not able to support your DDs, that's where the baby seal clubers are having fun, even so they can see one or two BBs they could hit and start depleting, of course not, DD or Cruiser, they will go for the most vulnerable, what a mentality...

 

All of those are excuses, they do not hide the reality and certainly not encourage me to play different, again, regardless of your stats, when my teams DD come under fire i will get out of cover/concealment if needed to provide the nessassary fire support, because i know for a fact that there are baby seal clubers out there who are out to take them out and that only, and much too many times as a DD player i have seen campers hiding when the red team were supporting theirs.

 

It works, good, then i have a good game and score my highest number of kills with the Konigsberg, it doesn't, tough i'll try again until it works. 

 

 

Yeah, that's right, BBs should focus on others BBs and certainly not taking a chance to delete a cruiser when they can. Yes, that's right.

 

I'm curious to know how many BBs a Bismark player can kill when i'm in the game with an Akatsuki, you keep spinning and twisting the point while being beside from the start, one chose one ship, upgrade, captain skill and consumable for a purpose, if i was good at playing BBs i wouldn't pick the Bismark to kill other BBs at tVIII, but they sure can kill DDs, same for Fuso vs Konigsberg although they would take on their own tier BBs more succesfuly.

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Otherwise said: "Park your butt somewhere behind an island and invisifire them to obvlivion".

 

 

Aehm, no. I hunt DD and Cruiser in her.

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Aehm, no. I hunt DD and Cruiser in her.

 

Ah OK, then you're luckier than me with your mm, because i do the same but keep being the target of choice of the first BB in range (perhaps because i tend to be much closer to them too from the start), with any Cruiser or DD that is, so we don't face the same sort of players.

 

Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me since you might play a lot of other Cruisers than i do and perhaps more often, i tend to stick to one type because i like her characteristic and this plus x-tra experience, seems to be an influencial factor when it comes to mm, good to know anyway that you're not a camper and invisifiring specialist, there's much too many of those in this game from my humble PoV...

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You really think I sit behind an island the whole game ? With a Kirov and its sniper rifles no less ? No, I sail at mid-range and citadels cruisers (Kirov outrange easily all t5 cruisers and most t6), snipe DDs, then get the cap, and finish by burning to death the BBs now alone. Because that's how you win a game : killing DDs and CA/CLs first, then sinking the BB that can't win alone.

Königsberg is the same : it does have very good AP. Hence killing cruisers is easy. And the fast reload allow to kill DDs.

You are not supposed to take on BBs, but you can if you uses your range and your agility. Trying to tank high-caliber guns with this kind of paper ship is downright stupid. Do not get hit, and spam.

 

And no, ColonelPete isn't "more lucky", he just knows how to play his ships. The difference in statistics between you and him can't be explained by "luck". 

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You are not supposed to take on BBs, but you can if you uses your range and your agility. Trying to tank high-caliber guns with this kind of paper ship is downright stupid. Do not get hit, and spam.

 

And no, ColonelPete isn't "more lucky", he just knows how to play his ships. The difference in statistics between you and him can't be explained by "luck". 

 

Ah.... Mr Edited... Your post are always very appreciated. LOL!

 

Guess WHY i chose to play Kirov and Konigsberg? Thanks for the lecture on their roles and gun capabilities :)

 

So.... Cls are not supposed to take on BBs are they? That's a NEWS!!! Is that's why i see them spamming HE on them more often that not, with those two aforementioned ship alike, plus let's see, Budyonny, Baltimore, two well known citadel factories quoted as "good at starting fires" by advocates of this camping/spamming paystyle of yours, so no, there is a clear difference in PoV here, but perhaps we don't see the same games, do we?

 

And.... Then, what was that fuss of yours about Fire Prevention again???

 

Talk about stats since it's your favourite argument...

 

While yours have been taking a nose dive over the last 7 days, mine have been consistantly going up (including with the Konigsberg happy or not)...

 

From the time W.G introduced this Fire Prevention skill your bunch were trying to keep out of the game at all cost, accusing BB and Russian players of lobbying W.G etc, flame bating guys who were pointing out you exagerated or simply had diverging opinions, calling me "Mr 45%% win rate", demonstratibng with "stats" as evidence that my insistence into trying to play in a different way to yours was wrong (LOL, your invincible/invisifire theory), looks like something happened no?

 

So again, the day i manage to find the right compromise for my alternative playstyle like i did with the Akatsuki, it will show, and something else, do YOU play Konigsberg at all?

 

"Know how to play his ship" accoring to your standard and that of your pals (i'm not mentioning him, he is of a different school apparently), your "godspel" way to play and.... Stats is the only god" motto, there is only one way to play a ship and it's yours, DHO!!!

 

I know your collective tune by heart, i know your playstyle and what you promote, best average frag and win rate with a Fiji, are you taking people for stoopid? You're never invisifiring in your smoke bubble with her, is that correct?  I torp enough of you smoke-loving Ca players to know what sort of play style you advocate, so please, dont lecture me on that one...

 

What do I know? ... I know how you try hard to avoid seeing other Ca being given Repair Party because you spam them with HE from as long a distance as you can or from a smoke bubble, i know i have a higher hit ratio with my DD because i play from a closer range than you do and a lower one with the Konigsberg because i spend my time trying to maneuver her to get to my targets and support my DDs, i know i am a lot more of an aggressive player than you are. 

 

All i need is a ship with this sort of guns being a little tankier and able to resist your bunch's arsonist or invisifiring tendencies a bit more then i will be able to get the results i want to (including deleting more of you invisifiring specialists), so since i get started with her, do not have all the captain skills i need and havent got the full feel for her, obviously i'm struggling but for one thing, i wont be emulating your playstyle any time soon, stats religion or not, keep amusing me all you like, watch your own.

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While yours have been taking a nose dive over the last 7 days, mine have been consistantly going up (including with the Konigsberg happy or not)...

 

Yeah, I'm struggling with the Moskva that I bought the other day. And since I'm only playing it... the stats are indeed diving.

But they'll go up later, when I'll finally figures the ship. 

 

Because, unlike you, I LEARN from my mistakes.

 

I didn't even read the rest of the post, it's your usual bunch of nonsense.

 

And no, Nor Kirov nor Königsberg need more survivability. The ships aren't supposed to adapt to you, it's you that need to learn how to uses them.

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Yeah, I'm struggling with the Moskva that I bought the other day. And since I'm only playing it... the stats are indeed diving.

But they'll go up later, when I'll finally figures the ship. 

 

Because, unlike you, I LEARN from my mistakes.

 

I didn't even read the rest of the post, it's your usual bunch of nonsense.

 

Oh boy, ho boy, excuses, excuses, and more excuses, please DONT reply if you dont read then, your motivations are much too obvious and it's not about giving useful advises.

 

For the time  being you're not the only one of those "unicums" advocating invisifiring, denying they spam HE and flaming everyone with a different opinion who have seen his stats nose diving since the introduction of Fire Prevention, you might call it fate or new ship, i call it an evidence.

 

As for yourself, you still havent got the drift yet, despite the number of times i wrote this phrase to your address, so i will reiterate: I do NOT like YOUR way to play, even less the playstyle you advocate and tried to impose to evereyone else, so if i want an opinion on how to play a ship i know where to as and you're NOT on my list. Copy? 

 

BEST example of what i am saying repeatedly: Welcome to Camper's paradise!!!

 

Have a good look at where my "supporting" Nagato is and where the red Bayern is, he is not the one who killed me on this one but the Nurnberg, sure of his chances having the support of both his DD and BB and more HP to spare, good for him, i scored a kill on him with one torp and AP before dying from his torps while supporting my DD who was after the ennemy DD, that's what the result of camping is, NO support for those who give support.

 

This Nagato could have tanked, take on the Bayern as there were plenty of guns to defend the base, instead he chose to ignore our calls for support and most probably was trying to get an easy kill on the Akatsuki while the Mahan could have takent care of it, at least spotting it for the other ships, so next goes bang our DD and the rest of them.

 

Tha'ts the difference between aggressive team play and campers, when the aggressive team manages to coordinate, it snowballs, just like in WoT, unless there are enough campers invisispamming HE that is, now, that was unfortunate to take those torps, what i notice is that i deleted a ship one tier higher and that it served my team a lot more than not supporting my DD because i was concealed behind an island where i didn't have the firing angle to do so...

 

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 And no, Nor Kirov nor Königsberg need more survivability. The ships aren't supposed to adapt to you, it's you that need to learn how to uses them.

 

Always there to give the "specialist" opinion are we? So according to YOU, Modifications, commanders Skills and Signals are not there to improve tose aspects of those ships and adapt to different playstyles are they? Let's see...

 

 

Königsberg — German Tier V cruiser.

 

Very large citadel makes it hideously vulnerable to battleships.

 

 

Kirov — Soviet Tier V cruiser.

 

Poor armor.

 

Large silhouette and citadel.

 

 

Obviously someone at W.G disagree with you, they keep repeating endlessly the opposite of what you say, then go the opposite way of where you want them to accodrding to your posts in topics on the subject of updates for the last 3 of them, so not only it shows the kind of playstyle you'd like to impose on others but also how twisted your arguments can be, and taking the debate to personal levels certainly doesn't make your case.

 

As i was saying i know where to ask for advises and you're not on my list.

 

 

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*Dude dying obviously out of position while he yolo-rushed with a low tier cruiser alone against a Bayern*

"It's the Nagato fault !"

 

You're a real piece of work, you know that ?

 

Not camping doesn't mean yolo-rushing.

 

Indeed, Königsberg and Kirov does have poor armor and huge citadel, which makes them vulnerable to battleships. BUT they have long-range accurate rifles and both good AP and HE. So when you have to fight a BB, you're supposed to either AMBUSH in order to kill with point-blank torps, or KITE.

Any other choice makes you very very dead. 

If you like being very dead, then okay, but don't say it's because of your teammates.

 

Also Kirov is utterly OP. Each time I was top tier with that things it was almost R-18. xD

Kirov guns are what makes the ships. Long, accurate, and with incredibly punch for a tier 5. Lower tier cruisers don't stand a chance, other tier 5 cruisers dies at the first mistakes of get punched through by 180mm HE coming from outside their maximum range. And DDs get deleted with 2 HE salvoes.

 

 

And yeah, captain skills and upgrade indeed allows to find a different playstyle AMONG DIFFERENT POSSIBILITY for a given ships. Yet if you broadside with an Iowa, you're gonna get killed by a single salvo from a Yamato. If you try to yolo-rush a Bayern with a Königsberg you're gonna be Dark-Soul'ed very quickly. 

You need to learn a ship playstyle.

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As i was saying i know where to ask for advises and you're not on my list.

 

This list must be empty then... Because nobody on this forum approve your methods, except the fools.

 

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Oh... Yes... And you're obviously out of position since our BBs were on the other side of the map.

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This list must be empty then... Because nobody on this forum approve your methods, except the fools.

 

 

Oh... Yes... And you're obviously out of position since our BBs were on the other side of the map.

 

LOL! Awwww, you're REALLY out of your depth to try to make a false point, "Nobody" eh? Another case of egotripping have we? I'm not among the pussies mentioned by Flamu in one of his videos on this precise sucject, that would be the Camper's Paradise Fan Club wouldn't it?

 

So by extention, the camping and invisifiring party, a minority in this game according to W.G, would be "everybody" then? Not what people messaging me on the subject says about it either, so if i were you i'd quit  the "out of position" B.S, that's a lame excuse to justify the fact that the red team was pushing and ours weren't providing support where it was needed, as always, and hang on, there is no threat coming from the left???

 

Obviously, our BB (we were 3 at the start of  the game on the same side) turned away, he was going in the same direction before doing so, so much for an "expert" opinion... 

 

 

*Dude dying obviously out of position while he yolo-rushed with a low tier cruiser alone against a Bayern*

 

 

Same goes to you, especially in regard of the playstyle you keep advocating, "out of position" is the escuse of those who like yourself fail to provide support and doesn't have the guts to recognise it, that's why you got your best results on a Camper's and invisifiring specialists ship.

 

In short you two have brough nothing new to this debate, not even the fact that you believe that everyone who doesn't suscribe to your usual bag of bulls (see what W.G says of your ideas of ship upgrades for example) is a "fooll"...

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"out of position" B.S, that's a lame excuse to justify the fact that the red team was pushing and ours weren't providing support where it was needed.

 

 

 

Obviously, our BB (we were 3 at the start of  the game on the same side) turned away, he was going in the same direction before doing so, so much for an "expert" opinion...

 

well based off this pic you had over extended and hence where out of position and to some extent they might have been right to try and reposition  to where the bulk of the enemy were 

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well based off this pic you had over extended and hence where out of position and to some extent they might have been right to try and reposition  to where the bulk of the enemy were 

 

Nah, i didn't "over extend", i stopped a Cruiser trying to flank and avoided him killing our DD, had our BB not turned away when he saw the first red dots, we wouldn't have been "out of position" and have more fire power, that's what happens when pussies run away from the threat coming at them, having said that he migght just have mis-read the situation, but this is yet again another example of lack of support when and where needed, one team pushes the other doesn't.

 

The fact that i got sunk was unfortunate, i was shielded from fire from the DD AND the BB by maneuvring, so i know exactly where i should have been and bar the fact that i was too slow to avoid torps from the Nurnberg, i didn't make a mistake, quiet the opposite, THIS is yet another case of a team collapsing because once a sudden one major player in one particular location decides to disengage, while our DD was doing his spotting job and I was doing my support job where it was  needed.

 

He decided to turn away way before i pushed forward to cut off the ennemy DD after torping the Cruiser of the left of the island btw, something nor myself nor the DD could have anticipated.

 

We could have won this engagement 3 vs 3, as simple as that.

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I was doing my support job where it was  needed.

 

You support job? In the middle of the map? For a second lign ship? Yeah... That's it... :facepalm:

 

 

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You support job? In the middle of the map? For a second lign ship? Yeah... That's it... :facepalm:

 

 

 

Wherever it is needed, i guess you would have left your DD on his own with a DD, a Cruiser, and a BB firing at him, that's the difference between the Camper's Paradise club fans and me, i dont care stats or what you geezers might come up with as B.S, buckets of them in this case, to make a false point, when a team mate needs support i don't hide from a spot where i am unable to support them because i don't have the firing angle to do so.

 

And of course, among all the manure you guys keep writing, the fact that 3 ennemy ships were about to cross on our side of the map and flank us on our cap, that i stoped one of them and allowed my DD to take on the other DD eludes you totally, dont ask me why i don't take any of your comments seriously.

 

So i reiterate, had our BB not turned away and provided with support we would have won ths 3 vs 3 engagement.

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Just out of curiosity how do you know 100% you would win a equal fight. On another note the only way your dd would have been in danger was if spotted and that should only happen if by another dd, so i personally wouldn't yolo in past both there dd and ca in support much less a dd.

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So i kept insisting into going to battle with her and keept being deleted by BBs (XP farming cowards) who know the ship reputation and prefer to waste a salvo on a potantial easy kill than taking care of the other BBs even if they are in range,

 

In other words you showed broadside to a BB and got deleted and its their fault for being a coward, not yours for just, being well......( insert here ) :facepalm:

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dont ask me why i don't take any of your comments seriously.

 

Why? Plus, you don't take a single comment from this forum seriously. Everybody is wrong and you have the truth about how to play... Wait a second, this isn't the things you're fighting against? Oh... The damn IRONY!
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No response from your soul mate best friend MTM?! I'm shocked! Hahaha! I'd love to div with you, Chief! If you're half as aggressive in battle as here on the forum... I think we could have a blast! I'll put a nice BB behind your K'berg and we'll shoot the living daylights out of them!

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