HMS Hood Teaser

[Praxics]

One common theme from posters in this thread is that HMS Hood was nowhere near as powerful as her image and reputation would have you believe. This appears to be reflected in the in the presumed data for the in-game ship.

 

It begs a question about the real-life Battle of the Denmark Strait.

Surely the Admiralty knew that the Hood had these limitations (at least to some degree). So why was she and an UNFINISHED Prince of Wales sent out to intercept Bismark and Prinz Eugen?

The King George V must have been available at the time because she gave chase after Hood was sunk.

What was going on?

 

Uhm... I think you and many other overthink this.

The British had 2 BBs, 2 CA and 6 DDs near Bismarck and Prinz Eugen at the time.

 

The original battle plan was that Hood and KGV would engage Bismarck while Suffolk and Norfolk would engage Prinz Eugen.

Age or design of the ships didn’t really matter. It was just a matter of having way more guns. All those cool armour specs are nice and dandy but you simply don’t want to be near any of those shell if they hit.

 

Let’s face it: The Germans had all the luck. Not only because Hood detonated or KGV guns jammed. Their luck started way ahead of that. The British had the fortune of war to locate them but their luck run out when Suffolk lost contact and the Germans changed course therefore missing the detached DDs by mere 16miles in bad weather.

That fucked the British battle plan right there and the Germans didn’t even know it then…

[Sea_viper]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Hood_p3.htm

Armor profile matrers a lot here, if you look at the above link it implies the following.

Bismarck will penetrate the citadel of Hood very reliably if Hood complete the turn to port, which means subsequent salvos (If hood didn't got "unlucky" and blew up) shorts will be reaching boiler rooms, engine rooms and magazines all day long. 

Since the dreyers table won't catch up with course change, Hood's salvo will be off a while. So it is basically hopeless to expect Hood to do any meaningful damage to Bismarck at that circumstances.

[Babykim]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Hood_p3.htm

Armor profile matrers a lot here, if you look at the above link it implies the following.

Bismarck will penetrate the citadel of Hood very reliably if Hood complete the turn to port, which means subsequent salvos (If hood didn't got "unlucky" and blew up) shorts will be reaching boiler rooms, engine rooms and magazines all day long. 

Since the dreyers table won't catch up with course change, Hood's salvo will be off a while. So it is basically hopeless to expect Hood to do any meaningful damage to Bismarck at that circumstances.

 

I would change "Penetration" to "Perforation" in game. Sounds funkier.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

nvm

 

[puxflacet]

i think there is one other thing about her armor - she has fairly good sloped belt. she can produce a lot of bouncing in mid range when showing a bit of a side

EDIT: ah sorry, some of you already mentioned that

[tajj7]

Those leaked stats look pretty underwhelming, I can't see a reason to give her such bad sigma, you have huge turning circle, not great armour, slow turning turrets, bad concealment, bad accuracy.

 

The pros are basically straight line speed and........

 

If they can't make her competitive on tier 7 with the more modern BBs *cough* German bias *cough* then she should be a tier 6 with more of her contemporary WW1 era BBs. 

 

On those stats she is just basically a flat out inferior Gneisenau 

 

Interesting that she has defensive fire consumable. 

[T0byJug]

 

I think people were hoping she'd at least have the same Sigma as Warspite or at least better traverse (0.5 a second extra barely counts)

 

I kind of hope the sigma gets changed pre release, I can live with the rest of the downsides.

 

20% faster turret traverse is quit significant.

 

Warspits 72 seconds 180’

Hood 60 seconds

 

still very slow compared to other tier 7 BB. Shortest range guns of all BB/BC at tier 7 not so good

 

because it hadn't been changed at all since 1935

 

1935 Modifications
The following work was carried out:

8 February - 4 March, Repaired at Portsmouth-

• Alteration of Foretop & Modification to positions of pom-pom directors:
  • Added screens, fitted with flairs, stiffeners, angles & platform plating
  • Added pedestals, 2 in number
  • Added packing rings, 2 in number
  • Added brackets and angle supports under
  • Electrical gear removed
  • Starboard pom-pom director moved to Foretop. Port pom-pom director will be placed onboard at next refit
  • Materials Removed: 5.04 tons
  • Totals: 2.30 tons added; 5.07 tons removed. The net reduction in weight of the foretop was 2.77 tons.
• Fitted 5.5" rangefinders in new position on Signal Deck: The work associated with this resulted in a weight of 4.62 tons of materials originally on the Foretop (landed in April 1932) being added to the Signal Deck. This resulted in a net increase of 1.05 tons.

01 April - 10 May 1935, Repaired at Portsmouth-

 

this was the most recent refit of any significant modifications to the Hood before the denmark straight.

note the 5.5 inch rangefinders added.

nothing else was added in the five years before that, meaning that the gunnery targeting system must be at LEAST 1929 vintage

13 January–18 March: At Rosyth. De-ammunititioned, 14–15 January. Taken in hand for a refit, 16 January–17 March. Modifications included the addition of Type 284 gunnery radar and the removal of the forward topmast (it blocked Type 284 radar aerials from rotating properly). The topmast's yard was replaced by one fitted to the rear of the forward starfish platform. A Type 279M aerial surveillance radar was also fitted. Hood's Type 279 was different in that it could transmit and receive from the same aerial.

 

[cracktrackflak]

I hope WG aren't simply going to make Hood and the other RN BBs into the Churchill VIIs of WoWS, but I have a horrible feeling thats exactly what will happen.

 

 

[T0byJug]

I hope WG aren't simply going to make Hood and the other RN BBs into the Churchill VIIs of WoWS, but I have a horrible feeling thats exactly what will happen.

 

 

 

Its a little annoying that people perceive RN Gunnery as being bad in WW1 because of that inept idiot Beatty that played by a doctor-in of more is better. The 1st Battlecruiser Squadron gunnery was appalling. But Scheer found himslef under Accurate Fire when the German fleet met the Grand Fleet of Jellicoe

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

I hope that the national flavour of the Royal navy has not been set as "High skill ceiling" and "High Risk, High Reward" style.

It doesn't look promising to me.

The RN Large Destroyer Cruiser line is like this. HMS Campbeltown seems that way also, and to an extent HMS Warspite (in respect of skill ceiling anyway).

i.e. Good players getting good results, while more average players just scrape by.

[BuccaneerBill]

http://www.navweaps.com/index_inro/INRO_Hood_p3.htm

Armor profile matrers a lot here, if you look at the above link it implies the following.

Bismarck will penetrate the citadel of Hood very reliably if Hood complete the turn to port, which means subsequent salvos (If hood didn't got "unlucky" and blew up) shorts will be reaching boiler rooms, engine rooms and magazines all day long. 

Since the dreyers table won't catch up with course change, Hood's salvo will be off a while. So it is basically hopeless to expect Hood to do any meaningful damage to Bismarck at that circumstances.

 

If they hit the relatively small main belt or just underneath (which is a problem Bismarck experienced).  Also the shell would probably have to pen 2" of deck, depending on where the main belt was hit. The shell obviously couldn't pen that after going through the main belt, but fragments??

 

[Procrastes]

 

RN was throwing every single capital ship at the Bismarck so Hood is easily explained.

 

They even threw Ramillies a crummy old BB used to escort convoys) at Bis which might have ended badly if they met 1v1...

 

Times of war etc

 

"Moving out at last, an armoured Colossus, sister-ship to that other Titan that had destroyed the Hood with one single, savage blow - the Hood, the darling of the Royal Navy, the most powerful ship in the world - or so men had thought."

_______________

Excerpt from H.M.S. Ulysses, by Alistair Maclean 1955

[damo74]

Those leaked stats look pretty underwhelming, I can't see a reason to give her such bad sigma, you have huge turning circle, not great armour, slow turning turrets, bad concealment, bad accuracy.

 

The pros are basically straight line speed and........

 

If they can't make her competitive on tier 7 with the more modern BBs *cough* German bias *cough* then she should be a tier 6 with more of her contemporary WW1 era BBs. 

 

On those stats she is just basically a flat out inferior Gneisenau 

 

Interesting that she has defensive fire consumable. 

 

They changed the Alabama after rotten reviews, so there's hope.

 

Hood as it is now is "meh" at best, my fear is that WG know fanboys will buy it regardless of whether it's a poor ship or not, and so won't be bothered to improve it.

[tajj7]

 

They changed the Alabama after rotten reviews, so there's hope.

 

Hood as it is now is "meh" at best, my fear is that WG know fanboys will buy it regardless of whether it's a poor ship or not, and so won't be bothered to improve it.

 

Here's hoping, I'm not asking for OP or anything but the German BBs dominate tier 7, so it needs to be able to compete with them at least and you don't need to be a top player to get it to perform ok. 

[mr3awsome]

Its a little annoying that people perceive RN Gunnery as being bad in WW1 because of that inept idiot Beatty that played by a doctor-in of more is better. The 1st Battlecruiser Squadron gunnery was appalling. But Scheer found himslef under Accurate Fire when the German fleet met the Grand Fleet of Jellicoe

By contrast, the 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron achieved some of the best hit rates of the entire battle, iirc. 

Practice is a great part of it. 

The 3rd BCS had been up in Scapa Flow doing extended gunnery practice, which is why Beatty had the 5th Battle Squadron in the first place. 

Had Jutland occurred a year later, it is likely that the gunnery of the BCF would have been a lot better. 

 

Its also worth noting that when the American battleships joined the Grand Fleet after the Americans joined in the war, 

their gunnery was quite a fair bit below standard of the Grand Fleet. 

[txtspeak]

By contrast, the 3rd Battlecruiser Squadron achieved some of the best hit rates of the entire battle, iirc. 

Practice is a great part of it. 

The 3rd BCS had been up in Scapa Flow doing extended gunnery practice, which is why Beatty had the 5th Battle Squadron in the first place. 

Had Jutland occurred a year later, it is likely that the gunnery of the BCF would have been a lot better. 

 

Its also worth noting that when the American battleships joined the Grand Fleet after the Americans joined in the war, 

their gunnery was quite a fair bit below standard of the Grand Fleet. 

 

weeeellll they're americans, its to be expected

[Webley_Mark]

weeeellll they're americans, its to be expected

 

Taunted like a Sir!

[chazwozza]

Watch the latest vids on the Hood its such a massive pile of poop no one will buy it i was considering buying but after watching that crud no fking way

[puxflacet]

Watch the latest vids on the Hood its such a massive pile of poop no one will buy it i was considering buying but after watching that crud no fking way

 

vids? links?(...no need to be rude though...)

[Webley_Mark]

We need a link!

[Unintentional_submarine]

Watch the latest vids on the Hood its such a massive pile of poop no one will buy it i was considering buying but after watching that crud no fking way

 

Say what now?

[chazwozza]

Steaming pile of poo wont be worth buying as is

[puxflacet]

 

turn off your sound before you click...because his commentary is beyond useless...even misguiding

[chazwozza]

try this one lol

 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

Interesting review of Hood by iChaseGaming.  His view seems to be: It will change. It has to otherewise there will be a s**tstorm. (His word)

His intro text: "So WG teased HMS Hood and she's made it onto the supertest server. Now she MOST LIKELY will change, but in her current state, YIKES "

 

EDIT: Snap!