HMS Hood Teaser

[HatsuzukiKaiNi]

 

well to be fair Hoods gunnery control system was by FAR the most outdated part of her at the time of the battle of the denmark straight, so really it's kinda realistic

 

Very true but Sigma is more an invisible balance characteristic, Nikolai somehow manages to have 2.0 after all. I don't think it's going to make Hood uplayable at all, I just think it would be a nice addition if they're going to insist on keeping the turrets as glacial as they are.

[creamgravy]

Why was Hoods gunnery control out of date?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Very true but Sigma is more an invisible balance characteristic, Nikolai somehow manages to have 2.0 after all. I don't think it's going to make Hood uplayable at all, I just think it would be a nice addition if they're going to insist on keeping the turrets as glacial as they are.

 

*cough*

 

You forget who makes this game (Russian bias...) 

[Webley_Mark]

well to be fair Hoods gunnery control system was by FAR the most outdated part of her at the time of the battle of the denmark straight, so really it's kinda realistic

 

Yes... But here, we have poor accurate gun that turns slow... So, it's not going to be fun. Either they do a good accurate gun that turns slow or a poor accurate gun that turns fast. It's one or the other, not both and the worse. Because, nobody will complain with an accurate gun that turns fast.

[txtspeak]

Why was Hoods gunnery control out of date?

 

because it hadn't been changed at all since 1935

 

1935 Modifications
The following work was carried out:

8 February - 4 March, Repaired at Portsmouth-

• Alteration of Foretop & Modification to positions of pom-pom directors:
  • Added screens, fitted with flairs, stiffeners, angles & platform plating
  • Added pedestals, 2 in number
  • Added packing rings, 2 in number
  • Added brackets and angle supports under
  • Electrical gear removed
  • Starboard pom-pom director moved to Foretop. Port pom-pom director will be placed onboard at next refit
  • Materials Removed: 5.04 tons
  • Totals: 2.30 tons added; 5.07 tons removed. The net reduction in weight of the foretop was 2.77 tons.
• Fitted 5.5" rangefinders in new position on Signal Deck: The work associated with this resulted in a weight of 4.62 tons of materials originally on the Foretop (landed in April 1932) being added to the Signal Deck. This resulted in a net increase of 1.05 tons.

01 April - 10 May 1935, Repaired at Portsmouth-

 

this was the most recent refit of any significant modifications to the Hood before the denmark straight.

note the 5.5 inch rangefinders added.

nothing else was added in the five years before that, meaning that the gunnery targeting system must be at LEAST 1929 vintage

[Widar_Thule]

 

If one looks at this link containing datamined IFHE penetration values:

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/5ordcb/datamined_list_of_ifhe_penetration_changes/

Specifically looking at this:

 

C = can pen 19/25/32mm (Examples: YYN = can pen 19 and 25mm, YYY = can pen 19 25 and 32mm)

 

Name shell: 380 mm Spr.Gr. L/4.6    

Alpha damage: 4400    

Base Penetration: 95.00 mm

IFHE Penetration: 123.50 mm

C: YYY

IFHE C: YYY

Ships: "GNEISENAU", "BISMARCK", "TIRPITZ"

 

and compares that with the leaked "HOOD" data: Armored deck - 51mm – 76mm

 

then "BISMARCK" can easily penetrate "HOOD's" deck armour at any angle.

 

In fact, if one looks at the IFHE penetration values on that reddit link, most battleships can penetrate "HOOD's" deck armour with IFHE in WOWS.

 

To sum it up, the only battleships which CANNOT penetrate "HOOD's" deck armour with IFHE are:

 

- Tier 2 - "MIKASA" (Japan)

- Tier 3 - "KAWACHI" (Japan)

- Tier 3 - "SOUTH CAROLINA" (USA)

- Tier 3 - "IMPERATOR NIKOLAI I" (Russia)

- Tier 4 - "ISHIZUCHI" (Japan)

- Tier 4 - "WYOMING" (USA)

- Tier 4 - "ARKANSAS beta" (USA)

- Tier 6 -  "DUNKERQUE" (France)

 

 

[Webley_Mark]

Then "BISMARCK" can easily penetrate "HOOD" deck armour at any angle.

 

Well... Here comes the detonation! And here goes your hope to see a great ship in the game.

[Masterrix]

 

and compares that with the leaked "HOOD" data: Armored deck - 51mm – 76mm

 

then "BISMARCK" can easily penetrate "HOOD" deck armour at any angle.

 

 

 

its not that easy

 

Hood has a multi-deck armor system of 3 armored decks @midship, 3 armored decks @forward turrets and 2 armored decks @after turrets.

she has a turteback system similar to Nagato (just weaker)

 

the "key weakness" are not the decks, its the small main belt (only 1 deck high) and the large upper belts (2 decks high, easy to penetrate)

this will make it easy to hit the citadel by penetrating first the upper belt and the turtle deck afterwards

[Widar_Thule]

 

its not that easy

 

Hood has a multi-deck armor system of 3 armored decks @midship, 3 armored decks @forward turrets and 2 armored decks @after turrets.

she has a turteback system similar to Nagato (just weaker)

 

the "key weakness" are not the decks, its the small main belt (only 1 deck high) and the large upper belts (2 decks high, easy to penetrate)

this will make it easy to hit the citadel by penetrating first the upper belt and the turtle deck afterwards

 

I hope you are right, because otherwise the only Tier 5 to 9 battleship which is not mortally dangerous to "HOOD's" deck armour with IFHE at any angle and at any range in WOWS will be Tier 6 "DUNKERQUE". At Tier 7 to 9 all battleships can penetrate 76mm of deck armour with IFHE...

 

[Webley_Mark]

At Tier 7 to 9 all battleships can penetrate 76mm of deck armour with IFHE...

 

Can you smell it? Detonation with HE.

 

Well... To be faire, who on earth will take IFHE for a BB! Mad people I guess.

[creamgravy]

because it hadn't been changed at all since 1935

 

Gunnery was updated with Type 284 Radar during the 5th and final refit between January and March 1941. (See discussion over the new gantry section on the rangefinder)

It's the secondary 4" battery that never received Type 285 for the HACS directors. If anything AA should be even less! WG logic? Make her one of the best AA ships at tier 7. 

[TheCinC]

 

I hope you are right, because otherwise the only Tier 5 to 9 battleship which is not mortally dangerous to "HOOD's" deck armour with IFHE at any angle and at any range in WOWS will be Tier 6 "DUNKERQUE". At Tier 7 to 9 all battleships can penetrate 76mm of deck armour with IFHE...

 

 

No one knows what it'll be like in game, but yeah, HMS Hood took into account many of the lessons learned during World War One. But she was still a battlecruiser, sacrificing armour for speed, and by World War Two, battles were fought at longer ranges, meaning her deck armour no longer sufficed. At longer range plunging fire shortens the distance a shell has to travel through armour before penetrating it. Up until then, guns had been unable to elevate enough/hit reliably at longer ranges and battles had been fought in the line of battle, such as at Jutland, at relatively close range, off the top of my head, I think the Royal Navy considered a distance of about 10,000 yards to be the expected range. If I am mistaken, sorry, but in any case, the expected range had increased dramatically by the time World War Two broke out. The Royal Navy fully knew HMS Hood was no longer state-of-the-art and wanted to improve her, but never found the time to do so. Vice-Admiral Sir Lancelot Holland, a gunnery expert, also knew of this weakness and tried to close the range and thereby reduce the danger from plunging fire. Just as he thought the greatest danger had passed, he ordered HMS Hood to turn so her aft guns could be brought to bear, opening 'A' arcs in naval parlance, I love that expression for some reason, but he was quickly proven wrong by the fatal hit. Her belt and turrets should be pretty well protected, but her deck, at longer ranges, not so much. We'll see though when she ends up in game..

[creamgravy]

Hoods citadel will be well below the deck, no HE shell will ever penetrate it.

[piritskenyer]

It needs to be hard to play.

 

You really do not want to see a Click & Do well ship like the Tirpitz or the MM will be brutalised for ever.

 

It essentially looks like a T7 Kongo...

 

I don't think that Tirpitz sold so well in her first day of release because of her ability, but rather because "Look, a Bismarck! - But it's... - SHUT UP, IT'S A BISMARCK!"

 

(Not that it'll be any different for Hood when she gets released...)

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

I don't think that Tirpitz sold so well in her first day of release because of her ability, but rather because "Look, a Bismarck! - But it's... - SHUT UP, IT'S A BISMARCK!"

 

(Not that it'll be any different for Hood when she gets released...)

 

The whine if the ship is anything less than very competitive is going to be immense...

 

I'm dreading it's release!

[G01ngToxicCommand0]

 

I don't think that Tirpitz sold so well in her first day of release because of her ability, but rather because "Look, a Bismarck! - But it's... - SHUT UP, IT'S A BISMARCK!"

 

(Not that it'll be any different for Hood when she gets released...)

 

Indeed, even if she is utter crap, which she'll probably will be given her IRL capabilities and limitations, I'll still throw money at WG for her

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

One common theme from posters in this thread is that HMS Hood was nowhere near as powerful as her image and reputation would have you believe. This appears to be reflected in the in the presumed data for the in-game ship.

 

It begs a question about the real-life Battle of the Denmark Strait.

Surely the Admiralty knew that the Hood had these limitations (at least to some degree). So why was she and an UNFINISHED Prince of Wales sent out to intercept Bismark and Prinz Eugen?

The King George V must have been available at the time because she gave chase after Hood was sunk.

What was going on?

[RUSSIANBlAS]

One common theme from posters in this thread is that HMS Hood was nowhere near as powerful as her image and reputation would have you believe. This appears to be reflected in the in the presumed data for the in-game ship.

 

It begs a question about the real-life Battle of the Denmark Strait.

Surely the Admiralty knew that the Hood had these limitations (at least to some degree). So why was she and an UNFINISHED Prince of Wales sent out to intercept Bismark and Prinz Eugen?

The King George V must have been available at the time because she gave chase after Hood was sunk.

What was going on?

 

RN was throwing every single capital ship at the Bismarck so Hood is easily explained. 

 

They even threw Ramillies a crummy old BB used to escort convoys) at Bis which might have ended badly if they met 1v1...

 

Times of war etc

[Elenortirion]

What was going on?

 

Panic was going on.

RN was panically afraid of what bismark could do if left unchecked for too long hence they have been dispatching EVERYTHING that could make even remotely sense to be dispatched to intercept

[cracktrackflak]

One common theme from posters in this thread is that HMS Hood was nowhere near as powerful as her image and reputation would have you believe. This appears to be reflected in the in the presumed data for the in-game ship.

 

It begs a question about the real-life Battle of the Denmark Strait.

Surely the Admiralty knew that the Hood had these limitations (at least to some degree). So why was she and an UNFINISHED Prince of Wales sent out to intercept Bismark and Prinz Eugen?

The King George V must have been available at the time because she gave chase after Hood was sunk.

What was going on?

 

 

I imagine the Admiralty back then had a much clearer idea of the relative fighting value of the ships than a current generation who have lapped up 70-odd years of mythologising and speculation.

 

No capital ship proved particularly superior to any other in the limited number of BB-BB engagements that took place, and the German ships were "nowhere near as powerful as their image and reputation would have you believe". After all, when it came to the final gunfight, even the "mighty" and "legendary" Bismarck was rendered combat ineffective within ten minutes, and an inert sinking wreck after 30.....

 

 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Besides the unfinished PoW did enough to wind Bis and leave her prey to follow up attacks.

[snipershot]

The 1960s 'sink the bismark' film is well worth a watch, if you havent already. They tried to follow the timeline of events.

[BuccaneerBill]

 

its not that easy

 

Hood has a multi-deck armor system of 3 armored decks @midship, 3 armored decks @forward turrets and 2 armored decks @after turrets.

she has a turteback system similar to Nagato (just weaker)

 

the "key weakness" are not the decks, its the small main belt (only 1 deck high) and the large upper belts (2 decks high, easy to penetrate)

this will make it easy to hit the citadel by penetrating first the upper belt and the turtle deck afterwards

 

True but that weakness is limited to the engine area only iirc, and at, for this game, long range.

[Sea_viper]

The fire control difference between Warspite and Hood is massive, since Hood is still running the Dreyers Table and Warspite running Admiralty Fire Control Table, where the former do not compensate the ships movement automatically, so in practice, Hood have to sail in straight line shoot right...  (Consider she just found range when she make a turn to port in Denmark straight, it means she will waste a few more just to get the range back, on the other hand shooting of KGV is decent considered it dodges the wreck of Hood, loss LOS for some time and have turret trouble)

On top of that Hood only have 4crh wind screen for its shell = slower shell than Warspite... 

[Unintentional_submarine]

One common theme from posters in this thread is that HMS Hood was nowhere near as powerful as her image and reputation would have you believe. This appears to be reflected in the in the presumed data for the in-game ship.

 

It begs a question about the real-life Battle of the Denmark Strait.

Surely the Admiralty knew that the Hood had these limitations (at least to some degree). So why was she and an UNFINISHED Prince of Wales sent out to intercept Bismark and Prinz Eugen?

The King George V must have been available at the time because she gave chase after Hood was sunk.

What was going on?

 

Easy choice really.

They had rightly deduced that Bismarck and Prinz Eugen were going to raid. You can't really have something like Bismarck running around sinking convoys (though technically she wouldn't be sinking all that much herself, but her presence would result in convoys being scattered and thus easy pickings for the u-boats). So that's point one for sending whatever there was at them. Secondly, as noted they knew Hood and Prince of Wales were probably not up to the task of winning a fight to the death. But that's the thing, they most likely didn't expect the Germans to go all "yeah, let's fight to the bitter end". Rather, with the perspective of raiding and fewer ships, the German doctrine was logically going to be one of avoiding fights that weren't totally lopsided. So with that in mind the Battle of Denmark Strait seems more logical. Hood and PoW charge in, gets hammered and then fall back. Repeat as needed (see PoW's behaviour after the first engagement). Chances are that they would inflict damage on at least one of two German ships. Likely less than received, but in a world of multiple British battleships and only Bismarck, it would be well worth it to trade a few months in the docks to take Bismarck down a few knots or knocking out something important (turret, range finder, director, bridge, rudder). They obviously didn't expect Hood to blow up.

Had Hood not blown up, she would likely have been beaten up pretty badly, as indicated by the number of hits she took, but at te same time, she would likely have been able to retreat. Even critical damage to the rudders or the engine would likely not have meant a loss of the ship (Lütjens denied Lindemann's request to pursue PoW at a point where the Germans might have been able to overtake her and sink her). PoW would also be knocked about. But the damage they could have inflicted on Bismarck would have been worth the beating, even if at a considerable disparity.

 

So what if both ships would have to got in for serious repairs after the battle (Hood was slated for a major overhaul anyway)? Bismarck wouldn't be able to do the same if damaged. And even if she could retreat home after 'winning' like that, it would still be a strategic victory. No raiding = failed raid. Next time she would try that, would be another chance to sink her. The force disparity favoured the British massively, and they knew it. It might be callous to send people to die in a fight like that, but it was absolutely the right decision. After all they achieved their goal, if at a considerable cost. Bismarck took a very important hit, that at the very least stopped her from raiding, but as we know led to her sinking.