HMS Hood Teaser

[Unintentional_submarine]

 

i know. i actually counted first salvo to be eugen's and the two later being bismarcks...but i found that eugen scored later a few other hits as well...so 5 or 6 shotted? (although some sources says that eugen switched fire to the prince of wales)...one thig is sure: she was 5-minuted

 

The circumstances of Hood's demise, are as noted rather debated. Based on the three survivors' accounts she was hit up to 6 times (including the final shot). That's a lot actually for such a short time. Obviously not in the context of total breakdown, but compared to other capital ship engagements, it's rather high. And some of those hits were supposedly pretty gruesome, like the deck crew clustering beneath the command tower and pretty much got wiped out by a hit (presumably Prinz Eugen since the effect was pretty wide, like an HE shell), or the hit on the spotting top, that sent body parts raining down on the compass platform. Tillburn might have experienced the fatal hit close as he served on one of the secondaries and his buddies got killed by a significant hit, in a way that made him sick, and in the time it took him to lean over the side and vomit, the ship was already breaking up. Those stories are sobering. Imagine seeing that stuff, and then the ship blows up to boot... It's impressive that any of the three ever managed to sail on a warship again, and no wonder that Dundas refrained from commenting on the battle afterwards.

[piritskenyer]

Jesus [edited]. 

 

First it's an argument about wether Bismarck is a he or a she, and now it's turned into a whinefest about people whining about the brits not being in the game. 

Get off the glue guys. 

[RUSSIANBlAS]

I'm keen to see RN BB for lots of reasons. 

 

They're going to be a mix of modernised WW1 ships and uncomfortable inter war ships, a few fairly modern ships (KGV and Vanguard) with likely paper T9 and T10.

 

Don't get the hate against RN being added but I do worry it'll F the BB balance even harder as interest in Hood is already greater than on any other recent Prem.

 

I mostly play smaller ships these days as they make things happen more than the fatties.

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

Jesus [edited]. 

 

First it's an argument about wether Bismarck is a he or a she, and now it's turned into a whinefest about people whining about the brits not being in the game. 

Get off the glue guys. 

 

OK then. Help to guide us back onto the paths of righteousness. Give us your view of the introduction of HMS Hood into the game, so we have something fresh & relevant to discuss.

[T0byJug]

 

OK then. Help to guide us back onto the paths of righteousness. Give us your view of the introduction of HMS Hood into the game, so we have something fresh & relevant to discuss.

 

Here goes.. Hood as a Prem. Obviase choice as she is so famous. Good as she is a BattleCruiser. I know many want battle Cruisers in game but they would be a difficult tech tree  to fill as  Hood as a 1918 vintage ship and she was the last of the battlecuisers I don't think there are even any paper designs form 20's or 30's they could use. For me this is good as I hope it means the RN Big ship line will be proper Battle ships.  Plenty to fill most of a tech tree..

 

A battlecrueser tech tree would have to jump to proper BBs at tier 6 or at a push 7

 

Next RN line hopefully DD. Nature of the RN men't they were Prolific DD designers  with over 40 game time line compatible  Launched Fleet destroyers Classes, no nave Comes anywhere close to the Choice of ships. This is with me grouping ships like the V and W classes  if we dont do that there would be many more 

[WestyII]

I'm just excited for the addition a real Warship that actually existed, after all of the fantasy ones found in St Petersberg....

[Gojuadorai]

well i wont buy her 90% sure the just leaked stats dont hint at anything fun.

 

- no torps

- big turning circle

- nearly warspite glacial turrets

- average accurate guns

- defensive AA nice but nothing that would make me want to play this mess of a BB

 

https://sea-group.org/?p=2586&lang=en

 

[EDIT] i can already imagine flamus video about it  title: "OVERGLORIFIED PILE OF SHIP" 

[Admiral_H_Nelson]

 

Here goes.. Hood as a Prem. Obviase choice as she is so famous. Good as she is a BattleCruiser. I know many want battle Cruisers in game but they would be a difficult tech tree  to fill as  Hood as a 1918 vintage ship and she was the last of the battlecuisers I don't think there are even any paper designs form 20's or 30's they could use. For me this is good as I hope it means the RN Big ship line will be proper Battle ships.  Plenty to fill most of a tech tree..

 

A battlecrueser tech tree would have to jump to proper BBs at tier 6 or at a push 7

 

Next RN line hopefully DD. Nature of the RN men't they were Prolific DD designers  with over 40 game time line compatible  Launched Fleet destroyers Classes, no nave Comes anywhere close to the Choice of ships. This is with me grouping ships like the V and W classes  if we dont do that there would be many more 

 

Great reply with many interesting points!

 

A battlecrueser tech tree would have to jump to proper BBs at tier 6 or at a push 7

Now that we have a precedent with partial lines of IJN destroyers and Russian destroyers, I think that it would be easy to sell a partial Battlescruiser line.

 

Next RN line hopefully DD.

Nah! There is already one RN line of large destroyers - they just happen to call them cruisers.

[creamgravy]

1.8 sigma? Hahaha.

No thanks.

[Kittykami]

I can't  help but think that the whole 'BB overpopulation' thing is going to get a whole lot worse at mid tiers once this thing comes out. Time to re-buy Hiryuu I guess >:3

 

That said, I'll definitely be buying one for historical ship nerd reasons, especially if her prem camo is the historical grey hull. It will be a port ornament until the furore dies down a little though...

[Hedgehog1963]

 

Because the Americans don't go around spamming the forums with threads and posts like:

...

 

This post has been edited by the moderation team due to inappropriate remarks.

[tajj7]

 

Hood was the largest and fastest Battleship for how many years, 15? 20? Don't need to justify her on a pedestal as she already is. Just a fact.

 

This basically.

 

Just because she was at her peak when there wasn't a war, doesn't mean she wasn't a great ship.

 

HMS Warrior sits proudly in Portsmouth Historic docks as an example of Royal Navy power in the Victorian period, she never fired a shot in anger. Ships like the Warrior and the Hood were part of the reason no one started wars, because they had nothing to challenge the power of the Royal Navy at that time. That is basically what Hood did, it was a deterrent, it sailed the world looking big, fast and powerful sending a message to not mess. They were basically the nukes of their day.  

 

 

[KurtVonSteiger]

 

Can we knock this whole 'fanboy' thing on the head now?   Specificly accusing people of being fanboy Brits without proof of nationality....we are playing this game because we love warships of this era and most of us want all the famous nations and ships.

 

I am also looking forward to French and Italian ships arriving - this makes me a French fanboy? Or an Italian fanboy?   Or just someone who thinks these ships need to be in the game!

 

I am equally sure that there are a lot of people from various parts of Europe who want Hood - not just the Brits.

[Shaka_D]

 

Can we knock this whole 'fanboy' thing on the head now?   Specificly accusing people of being fanboy Brits without proof of nationality....we are playing this game because we love warships of this era and most of us want all the famous nations and ships.

 

I am also looking forward to French and Italian ships arriving - this makes me a French fanboy? Or an Italian fanboy?   Or just someone who thinks these ships need to be in the game!

 

I am equally sure that there are a lot of people from various parts of Europe who want Hood - not just the Brits.

 

Well stated!

[piritskenyer]

 

OK then. Help to guide us back onto the paths of righteousness. Give us your view of the introduction of HMS Hood into the game, so we have something fresh & relevant to discuss.

 

There is no path of righteousness. I made that comment out of sheer frustration, because every time I click on this topic, I expect to find something interesting, and finding 4 or so pages of fluff on "oh-emm-gee, where are the brits" and "oh-emm-gee, shut up tea-a-boo" or "Bismarck is a he because this" and "Bismarck is a she because that" annoys the everliving sh1t out of me. If you people want to beat each other over the head over what ship is overrated and which one is not, or who whines for what, do it in a topic I'm not reading (hint: OFFTOPIC SECTION).

 

//rant

[creamgravy]

Best I can find for the moment :

 

All those pics were all taken before the last refit in 1941. We need pics that include Type 284 radar > http://www.hmshood.com/ship/radar.htm

[Unintentional_submarine]

well i wont buy her 90% sure the just leaked stats dont hint at anything fun.

 

- no torps

- big turning circle

- nearly warspite glacial turrets

- average accurate guns

- defensive AA nice but nothing that would make me want to play this mess of a BB

 

https://sea-group.org/?p=2586&lang=en

 

[EDIT] i can already imagine flamus video about it  title: "OVERGLORIFIED PILE OF SHIP" 

 

That absolutely doesn't look good. Not terrible, but damn.

So she is fast and she has better bounce angles than Warspite, but that's about it. Her range is ok, her armour is ok, her AA is pretty weak unless the enemy gets close enough for the UP, where it goes from weak to ok. The torpedo protection is terrible, utterly horrendous at 16%. Combined with her enormous turning circle, her average rudder shift (it's not bad but it certainly isn't an advantage either) and meh AA she will be food for carriers in a way even Mutsu can't match. Her HP is pretty damn awesome though, but it really depends a lot on how able she is at reducing incoming damage in the first place.

 

She will probably want to stay at range, because her hull capabilities simply don't allow for close engagements, but then her armour becomes pretty weak relatively.

With these stats she looks confusing with no usable identity. But maybe it will work out fine? Mutsu was lambasted by pretty much all of us until the previews, where she performed considerably better (not that I will ever buy an A hull Nagato anyway). That was a positive surprise, so maybe it can happen again. But damn, it doesn't look good.

[JaiFoh]

Reference the battlecruiser line its entirely possible to create a battlecruiser line up to T8 (although the T8 ship although paper is a monster and makes the T9 Battleships look dull and weakly armoured in contrast)
With the main belt of 356mm the G3 Battlecruiser design was a very good reason for the Washington Naval Treaty to be signed as they would have made the rest of the fleets of Japan and the USA pretty much obsolete, armoured enough to take on almost anything and fast enough to run away from an engagement it did not like. 

T3= Indomitable (Could then have HMAS Australia introduced)
T4= Queen Mary
T5= Tiger (her cousin is already in the game at T5)

T6= Renown (Repulse premium?)

T7= Admiral (Hood already coming in)

T8= Invincible (G3 Class-if this introduced it becomes a monster at T8, possibly more suited to T9)

[damo74]

 

That absolutely doesn't look good. Not terrible, but damn.

So she is fast and she has better bounce angles than Warspite, but that's about it. Her range is ok, her armour is ok, her AA is pretty weak unless the enemy gets close enough for the UP, where it goes from weak to ok. The torpedo protection is terrible, utterly horrendous at 16%. Combined with her enormous turning circle, her average rudder shift (it's not bad but it certainly isn't an advantage either) and meh AA she will be food for carriers in a way even Mutsu can't match. Her HP is pretty damn awesome though, but it really depends a lot on how able she is at reducing incoming damage in the first place.

 

She will probably want to stay at range, because her hull capabilities simply don't allow for close engagements, but then her armour becomes pretty weak relatively.

With these stats she looks confusing with no usable identity. But maybe it will work out fine? Mutsu was lambasted by pretty much all of us until the previews, where she performed considerably better (not that I will ever buy an A hull Nagato anyway). That was a positive surprise, so maybe it can happen again. But damn, it doesn't look good.

 

Based on these figures I certainly won't be buying her after all.

 

Warspite-slow turret traverse and 1.8 sigma? Not a chance. I just knew Wargaming would crap all over this ship.

[pUREsTORM]

I can already imagine the moaning the Youtube CCs are going to make over this ship's stats, provided the stats aren't buffed before then.

 

The stats aren't that great, but then again I don't buy premium ships because of their stats.

 

I'll still get her and I'll be happy that I get to play the Hood.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

It needs to be hard to play.

 

You really do not want to see a Click & Do well ship like the Tirpitz or the MM will be brutalised for ever.

 

It essentially looks like a T7 Kongo...

[Widar_Thule]

Well according to the Sea Group site, some more data has been leaked, it remains to be seen if this is going to be the way "HOOD" will perform in WOWS.

 

https://sea-group.org/?p=2586&lang=en

 

(the text underneath comes from that site, with some textual corrections/additions made here and there)

 

"Compared to "WARSPITE's" Mk1 38cm guns, "HOOD's" Mk2 38cm guns only obtain an extra 0.5 degrees per second in gun turret traverse speed. But "HOOD's" AP projectile penetration performs better, it won't ricochet until 55 degrees (with a possibility to bounce) / 70 degree (auto-bounce).

 

"HOOD's" AAA 178mm rocket launchers only have 1.5 km firing range, but due to their calibre they benefit from the buff which is applicable to large calibre anti-aircraft artillery guns and air defence (commander etc.) skills.

 

"HOOD's" damage control party, which is a general Battleship's damage control party active for 15 seconds (120 seconds cool down), is different from "WARSPITE's" damage control party active for 5 seconds (90 seconds cool down); "HOOD's" Repair party consumable is also a general one (healing 0.5% of maximum hit points per second), which means it cannot act like "WARSPITE's" repair party that can recover extra HP (healing 0.6% of maximum hit points per second).

 

"HOOD" has no torpedoes in the game.

 

"HOOD's" armour in the game its actual thickness and description values are not consistent, the earlier made core area protection 80mm-350mm statement we had made now seems to have been clearly wrong; currently "HOOD's" armour protection is between 51mm-305mm."

 

 

0.6.4 British Royal Navy Tier 7 Premium Battleship "HOOD"

 

Hull

Hit Points - 67700

Armored deck - 51mm – 76mm

Citadel protection - 51mm – 305mm

Torpedo damage reduction - 16%

Maximum speed - (Section) 32 knots

Turning Radius - 910 m

Rudder shift time - 14.43 seconds

Surface detectability - 16.2 km

Aerial detectability - 13.86 km

Consumable 1 - Damage control (Battleship)

Consumable 2 - Repair Party

Consumable 3 - Defensive AAA

 

Main Guns

381mm/42 Mk2

Layout - 4×2 (AB-XY turrets)

Reload Time - 30 seconds

180 ° rotating speed  - 60 seconds

Sector of fire  - ± 150 ° (degrees)

Firing range - 17.57 km

σ (sigma) - 1.8

 

381mm HE Mk VIIIb

Damage - 5300

Muzzle velocity - 731.5 m/s

Chance of starting a Fire - 34%

 

381mm AP Mk XXIIb

Damage - 11400

Muzzle velocity - 731.5 m/s

Penetration @ 5 km - 512 mm

Penetration @ 10 km - 417 mm

Penetration @ 15 km - 340 mm

 

Secondary Guns

102mm/45 QF Mk XIX (High Angle)

Layout - 7x2

Reload Time - 3 seconds

HE damage - 1500

Chance of starting a Fire - 6%

Firing Range - 5 km

 

AAA Defense

102mm/45 QF Mk XIX (High Angle)

Layout - 7x2
Average damage per second - 66
Firing Range - 5 km

 

40mm Vickers 2-PDR. Mk VII ("Pom-Pom")

Layout - 3x8
Average damage per second - 60
Firing Range - 2.5 km

178mm spray gun (rocket launcher) (Naval Wire Barrage, Unrotating Projectile (UP) Rocket Launcher)

Layout - 5x20
Average damage per second - 50
Firing Range - 1.5 km

12mm anti-aircraft machine gun (Vickers)

Layout - 4x4
Average damage per second - 8
Firing Range - 1.2 km

[puxflacet]

well, nobody would expect that she will shine in any category (rather contrary)...except the speed and the look

[HatsuzukiKaiNi]

well, nobody would expect that she will shine in any category (rather contrary)...except the speed and the look

 

I think people were hoping she'd at least have the same Sigma as Warspite or at least better traverse (0.5 a second extra barely counts)

 

I kind of hope the sigma gets changed pre release, I can live with the rest of the downsides.

[txtspeak]

 

I think people were hoping she'd at least have the same Sigma as Warspite or at least better traverse (0.5 a second extra barely counts)

 

I kind of hope the sigma gets changed pre release, I can live with the rest of the downsides.

 

well to be fair Hoods gunnery control system was by FAR the most outdated part of her at the time of the battle of the denmark straight, so really it's kinda realistic