HMS Hood (1940 version) inbound as T7 Premium BB

[Synth_FG]

So Hood at Tier VII, surely means KGV and Tier VIII, with probably Nelsol fitting in the main line at T7 

[Darth_Glorious]

So Hood at Tier VII, surely means KGV and Tier VIII, with probably Nelsol fitting in the main line at T7 

 

I don't think so, the tier 7 will be Admiral, the class of Hood.

[Affeks]

 

I don't think so, the tier 7 will be Admiral, the class of Hood.

 

That all depends whether we see a Battleship or battlecruiser/fast battleship line first

[VC381]

I see absolutely no reason to use the Admiral class in the first RN BB line released. Maybe in later splits, if these happen, but generally I predict a fairly typical slow BB line initially, switching to fast at T8 like the USN line does. This fits the most real ships in the most predictable places.

[Dominus_Astra]

Shut up and take my money WG!! Finally another British beauty.

[_Alie_]

"Bismarck likes this"

[El2aZeR]

Bet those AA rockets are gonna be hilariously OP.

Something like

"Increases AA by 900% for 10 seconds"

"Shoots down 1 aircraft in each squadron within your AA bubble"

"Permanently panics squadrons within your AA bubble"

 

You know, fun stuff like that. Because WG has forgotten how to make balanced premium ships. 

 

Seriously, though. I can't imagine those things getting more than 1 dps per launcher if they're not gonna be a consumable of some kind. Heck, even that might be too much.

[RAMJB]

Hood at T7 Premium means Nelson at T7. Which makes sense since she was the contemporary of the Colorado and Nagato.

 

With that in mind, T8 will obviously be KGV, which opens the question of what will be T9 and T10.

Obviously Lion will take one of those spots, but which one?. and which will be the other in each case?. T10 would mean Vanguard at T9, but something would have to be done to give that ship life with 15'' guns at T9. Lion at T9 would force another "out of wargaming's rear end" paper ship though, because absolutely nothing bigger further than that was planned. Maybe divide it in two sub-classes, the "pre-war" Lion (according to the 1938-39 expected figures), and the "WW2 Lion" (thoroughly modified incorporating war experience).

 

Lower than that T6 probably is QE (no big surprise here, seeing Warspite). T5 probably the WWI KGV class (10x13.5'' guns, König's counterpart with similar gun layout). T4 might be Collosus or similar (good match for Kaiser). And T3 obviously, Dreadnought herself.

[Trainspite]

 

I don't think so, the tier 7 will be Admiral, the class of Hood.

 

Doubt it. That would imply a BC line is coming, and as much as I would like that, Nelson fits better with a BB line, which is more likely.

 

Hood at T7 Premium means Nelson at T7. Which makes sense since she was the contemporary of the Colorado and Nagato.

 

With that in mind, T8 will obviously be KGV, which opens the question of what will be T9 and T10.

Obviously Lion will take one of those spots, but which one?. and which will be the other in each case?. T10 would mean Vanguard at T9, but something would have to be done to give that ship life with 15'' guns at T9. Lion at T9 would force another "out of wargaming's rear end" paper ship though, because absolutely nothing bigger further than that was planned. Maybe divide it in two sub-classes, the "pre-war" Lion (according to the 1938-39 expected figures), and the "WW2 Lion" (thoroughly modified incorporating war experience).

 

Lower than that T6 probably is QE (no big surprise here, seeing Warspite). T5 probably the WWI KGV class (10x13.5'' guns, König's counterpart with similar gun layout). T4 might be Collosus or similar (good match for Kaiser). And T3 obviously, Dreadnought herself.

 

Vanguard is suited to be a tier 8 premium, and I would personally have Lion 1942/1944 as the tier 9, named as Temeraire, and a 1945 proposal for Lion which is a lot larger, including USN super heavy shells and potential 20s reload (Thunderer).

[Affeks]

 

Doubt it. That would imply a BC line is coming, and as much as I would like that, Nelson fits better with a BB line, which is more likely.

 

 

Vanguard is suited to be a tier 8 premium, and I would personally have Lion 1942/1944 as the tier 9, named as Temeraire, and a 1945 proposal for Lion which is a lot larger, including USN super heavy shells and potential 20s reload (Thunderer).

 

Yeah having the two different proposals for Lion wouldn't be much different from what we see with Izumo and Yamato in the game already.

 

I've visited multiple threads and it seems that the generally accepted BBs for tiers 7-10 would be Nelson, KGV (3x3 15" guns), Lion 1, Lion 2. Well thats at least for the "slow" BB line. Vanguard obvious prem because symbolic value, inb4 last ship ever added to WoWs 

[Origin47]

I actually do not see the admiral-class being implemented in the RN BB line, but, later on in the BC line.

 

Keeping in mind that grinding through the BB lines you only go up in gun caliber, if Nelson with 3x3 16" guns will be at tier 7, then there is no way the KGV, with 10 14"s will be at tier 8.

With the KGV-class, when it will be implemented, they will apply the scharn/gnei recipe, with Duke of York or How or Prince of Wales, or Anson with original 14"s and the KGV with 15" or 16" guns, depending on tier, etc.

 

I would do KGV (with 15") at tier 7 and DOY or POW with 14" as premium, Vanguard at tier 8 and Nelson at tier 9.

 

[shockinhockin]

Looking forward to this ship. Will look good next to the grand old lady in port and gets be hyped for some more RN content in the future

 

As for the tier discussions I would also go for this for the first bb line

t6 queen Elizabeth, t6 prem warspite (obviously)

T7 premium hood t7 regular Nelson

T8 regular KGV (with the proper guns 2x4 1x2 14" please WG) t8 prem vanguard

T9 lion

And Iv not idea about t10

 

Lower tiers I'd expect to see dreadnought and revenge making an appearance at t3 and t5

 

Not sure about t4 but there's plenty to choose from

 

 

Probably BC ships like renown, queen Mary forming a seconary branch. Maybe even mixing in some heavey cruisers also

 

As for the hood it will be a defo buy for me. To much of a Brit not too but I'd except a glass cannon type playstlye where you really need to keep trac of your situation to not get deleted I mean every man and his dog will see a hood and shout " look it's the hood quick shoot it first to get the detonation!" So I'd guess you'd what to play smart with her

[shockinhockin]

I'd say if KGV drops to tier 7 I'd be very upset if it didn't get its proper 14" guns at that tier. I recon it's only a question of performance when she's at tier 8 ( where I believe it should be) and I still think a slight rate of fire or gun accuracy buff over standard bb stats would offset the smaller shells she fires and make her a fine tier 8 ship

[Gnirf]

wonderful

[boomboom517]

better have speed booster

 

[_DeathWing_]

IT'S HAPPENING!

 

[Cyclops_]

Do we have a launch date yet??

[sharpie65]

I actually do not see the admiral-class being implemented in the RN BB line, but, later on in the BC line.

 

Keeping in mind that grinding through the BB lines you only go up in gun caliber, if Nelson with 3x3 16" guns will be at tier 7, then there is no way the KGV, with 10 14"s will be at tier 8.

With the KGV-class, when it will be implemented, they will apply the scharn/gnei recipe, with Duke of York or How or Prince of Wales, or Anson with original 14"s and the KGV with 15" or 16" guns, depending on tier, etc.

 

I would do KGV (with 15") at tier 7 and DOY or POW with 14" as premium, Vanguard at tier 8 and Nelson at tier 9.

 

 

That being said, Nelson is also quite a bit slower than KGV, and her shells had quite a wide variance - if KGV were to be made a T7, she'd need a serious armour (armour scheme could stand up to a 16" shell on the belt)/AA nerf to make her viable but not OP. As said in a previous thread: if you give a KGV 15" guns it immediately stops being a KGV. Why? Because, although the 15" rifles were considered as an option for the ship during construction, none of the five ships built were never given them. Also, KGV fits at T8 in terms of technological progression, since her contemporaries in North Carolina and Bismarck are also there. Nelson, however, would be far too slow for T9 with a maximum speed of only 23kts compared to NC's and KGV's 28kts and Bismarck/Amagi's 30kts.

 

But enough of that now, before this turns into another flaming thread.

[piritskenyer]

Do we have a launch date yet??

 

22 August 1918.

[geLaden]

 

22 August 1918.

 

Such a troll comment ... but a good one.

[RAMJB]

 

That being said, Nelson is also quite a bit slower than KGV, and her shells had quite a wide variance - if KGV were to be made a T7, she'd need a serious armour (armour scheme could stand up to a 16" shell on the belt)/AA nerf to make her viable but not OP. As said in a previous thread: if you give a KGV 15" guns it immediately stops being a KGV. Why? Because, although the 15" rifles were considered as an option for the ship during construction, none of the five ships built were never given them. Also, KGV fits at T8 in terms of technological progression, since her contemporaries in North Carolina and Bismarck are also there. Nelson, however, would be far too slow for T9 with a maximum speed of only 23kts compared to NC's and KGV's 28kts and Bismarck/Amagi's 30kts.

 

But enough of that now, before this turns into another flaming thread.

 

Colorado is also slower than NC. Speed varies in sudden increases in the other lines too. Shouldn't be an issue.

 

The KGV belt was one of the thickest of WW2 indeed, but that part about "taking a 16'' to the belt"....well, yes. But from quite a long range, not from short ranges. And in WOWS is all about short ranges (9 to 15km, something people call "medium distances" in WOWS would be VERY short ranges in WW2 BBvsBB combat). Fear not however, the KGV was much better armored than the North Carolina, so it should have no problems whatsoever at T8.

 

The main guns are no reason to put her at this or that tier. As Scharnhorst has proven at tier 7 with 11 inch guns (and König at T5 with 12'' rifles against 14'' opposition), BB performance in this game is not all about the caliber of the main battery.

 

At any rate KGV must come after Nelson. Tier progression has always been tied to historical progression, both here, in WOT and (not that it accounts for much given how awful it was/is) in WOWP.

[El2aZeR]

At any rate KGV must come after Nelson. Tier progression has always been tied to historical progression, both here, in WOT and (not that it accounts for much given how awful it was/is) in WOWP.

 

Wouldn't be the first time WG deviated from historical progression in favor of balance. There are very reasonable arguments as to why KGV should be no higher than T7.

The most important of all is imo that she carries 14" guns and thus would be unable to overmatch the bows of most T8 cruisers, enabling them to outgun her. While a very slight adjustment to overmatch would take care of it, WG is not exactly known for their fine-tuning balancing work, thus I would prefer it if they don't touch overmatch mechanics at all.

[Webley_Mark]

22 August 1918.

 

Do we have a launch date so?

[VC381]

- Flavour, look, feel, history etc. say KGV should be T8 with her design contemporaries

 

- Analysis of stats leans towards her being better suited to T7, but only because of how they translate to the incredibly skewed and unrealistic game mechanics, not because the ship IRL was bad

 

- Realistic expectation says that either way WG will do something stupid with it because "OMG so hard to stray from our idiotically rigid game design balance grand plan to accommodate such an important historical ship because she's slightly unusual".

[shockinhockin]

Anyhow back on point as hood carries very similar guns and turrets as the warspite does. Should we expect the same range and awesomely slow turret traverse?

 

I hope not as ship with hoods speed but with warspites turret rotation speed may well be rather frustrating as I'm guessing with hoods armour that mobility will be your friend to survive. So you probably won't ever be able to point the guns at anything useful.

 

Thoughts ?