Gearing feels underwhelming.

[Eviscerador]

What is better caper and why? Snima has same stealth but can not win in a gunfight against usa. Kuhana and Ru line has worst stealth and are gunboaths. German? With their losy smoke?

 

Nah. Gearing is still best capper of them all. Also winer in close engagement. 

 

The Z-52 is the top capper now. You can be agresive, go bow on to the middle of the cap, smoke up, hit hydro and reign supreme if the enemy doesn't have a radar available.

 

Sure, in a straight fight the Z-52 loses against the Gearing, but in a cap, the Z-52 has the advantage.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

The Z-52 is the top capper now. You can be agresive, go bow on to the middle of the cap, smoke up, hit hydro and reign supreme if the enemy doesn't have a radar available.

 

Sure, in a straight fight the Z-52 loses against the Gearing, but in a cap, the Z-52 has the advantage.

 

FFS why o why would you park yourself in middle of cap? Smart cap is cap where you can retreat if you got radared or overun by more enemies or you got CV over head (in competitive gameplay there is allways cv). It is too risky strategy to park in middle and hope you will cathc other DD.....if radar pops put you are out of game....dead or near dead....to risky for cap....that is not how smart dd caps.

 

I can agree that combo smoke + hydro is good....but ussualy capping is done on border with ability to retreat......so you can not abuse that ability much.

 

And if cap is contested with 2 or more DDs as soon as theyspot eachother smart dds will not rush KM one but will retreat out our just wait on border of cap for his short smoke to finish.

 

 

Still, in my opinion, Gearing is king here - on t 10 when you rush KM dd in smoke you are just idiot.....period....

 

P.S.

2 + minutes of smoke also gives advantage (strategic).....so USA dds are and will be kings of spoting/caping/smoking and most used in tournaments on t8/10.

 

Also dont forget another plus for Gearing - imune/halfimune to crosdrop from CV.

[GeneraIKrizmuz]

 

FFS why o why would you park yourself in middle of cap? Smart cap is cap where you can retreat if you got radared or overun by more enemies or you got CV over head (in competitive gameplay there is allways cv). It is too risky strategy to park in middle and hope you will cathc other DD.....if radar pops put you are out of game....dead or near dead....to risky for cap....that is not how smart dd caps.

 You park yourself in middle of cap because you used your brain and your eyes in advance and saw that there are no radar cruisers so you are literally immune to anything and hydrospot the entire capzone

 

Z-52 is the best capper in the game

 

 

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 You park yourself in middle of cap because you used your brain and your eyes in advance and saw that there are no radar cruisers so you are literally immune to anything and hydrospot the entire capzone

 

Z-52 is the best capper in the game

 

 

 

How can you see there is no radar cruiser infront when radar cruiser like DM have 10.6 stealth.........yeah it is easy to cap in end of game than BB can cap...but in start or middle game when most of enemie are alive, there are no eyes who can help you with radar cruiser who have same stealth detection and radar range.......i watched many many tournaments by top clans/players end NEVER EVER saw mid cap capping......also Z-52 is lack proper smoke and defensive fire to be contestent for DD slot in "real" games aka tournament or i hope  soon clan wars.....

 

Gearing is so much stronger ship overal for competitiv play

[_Teob_]

Gearing is so much stronger ship overal for competitiv play

 

That is a completely different argument. Yes, for competitive Gearing is better because of def aa. Your CV will do the spotting for you.

 

For randoms, Z52 is the best capper in the game. The hydro covers the whole cap in a lot of cases.

Also there are lots of situations where there isn't a radar boat that close. Your whole argument of "well you just sit on the edge of the cap and if something happens you gtfo" is exactly the point - in a Gearing you have to get out if a Z52 is on the cap. By definition that makes the Z better at capping.

 

On top of that the changes to stealth firing mean that you cannot blast away on a cap and hope to come out unscathed. Nobody knifefights on caps anymore so the Gearing doesn't actually have any proper advantage because it has no way to deal with the enemy smoke other than fire torpedoes into it.

 

If there are no ships capable of detecting it, when a Z52 is on a cap that is a no-go zone for any other DD, including a Khaba.

[WingedHussar_Adler]

 

If there are no ships capable of detecting it, when a Z52 is on a cap that is a no-go zone for any other DD, including a Khaba.

 

In this scenario i agree. NOTHING can beat or push out  km dd

[Desteban]

No matter how good Z52 hydro is. Just torp the damn smoke!

You got 2x5 Torps thats enough to cover a huge area. If you are that close that you are spotted anyway chances are

Z52 won't have enough time to doge them or he can't manouver in the smoke while doing so. 

So you either drive him out of his smoke or you actually hit him.

I play only Khaba but I know a 10 Torp spread to a smoke is no joke 

Outside of smoke Gearing should have the edge over him.

 

 

 

 

[Blitzkrieguk]

While I did enjoy my gearing I don't play her much. I far prefer the Z-52, all round it's the better ship personally.

 

Though the Gearings Torpedo's are beyond hilarious and that US smoke is amazing support. The Z-52's gun handling and AP are brilliant and that torp reload is insane.

[_Teob_]

No matter how good Z52 hydro is. Just torp the damn smoke!

You got 2x5 Torps thats enough to cover a huge area. If you are that close that you are spotted anyway chances are

Z52 won't have enough time to doge them or he can't manouver in the smoke while doing so. 

 

So you either drive him out of his smoke or you actually hit him.

I play only Khaba but I know a 10 Torp spread to a smoke is no joke 

Outside of smoke Gearing should have the edge over him.

 

 

You might want to take a look at torpedo spotting range with that german Hydro. Let me put it another way, those Shimakaze 20km torpedoes are bad because they get spotted from over 2.4km. Hydro means that all torpedoes will have a worse spotting range than that.

 

If you show broadside to to a Z52 with the Gearing so you can get your torps on target, you will die before you have a chance to figure out what the hell happened. 4-5k AP salvos are not uncommon...

[Desteban]

The moment he is spotted he will pop his smoke and hydro. Of course he is going to slow down so he is concealed if you keep shelling him.

So naturally that smoke cloud will be tiny enough that your 10 torps will either drive him out or he will get hit trying to dodge them.

So lets say Z52 takes 10k of your health while turning but you get to drop your torps.

It doesn't matter that he sees them coming, if there isn't enough space to hide in there he inevitably has to leave the smoke and you can shoot back.

 

 

Thats a way better outcome if you ask me than either trying to run him down which obviously ends at best in a draw. (torpedo soup)

Or you turn away, getting hurt anyway and he can make that smoke cloud big enough for him to hide in there since you didn't shoot him

and give enough reason to the Z52 to conceal as fast as possible.

 

This is pretty much what I do with my Khaba if one of those gets too close mid game.

But then again, if my Khaba bleeds 10k to some random DD...so what, doesn't really matter

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, Just saw that you got all TX DDs and know how to play. Don't want to sound like an [edited]since I don't even have gearing,

But I don't want to believe that Gearing is so much inferior since it actually has some good guns at close range and is supposed to be agile.

[tmGrunty]

Gearing is not agile at all. There is a reason some players call her "fat".

Also every DD can go 1/4 speed and drag out the smoke while staying concealed. So the smoke is big enough to maneuver inside the cloud and Gearing torps are not that tight together that you can't fit between them.

In addition you lose way more than 10k health if you turn broad to launch your torps. Z-52 (and Z-46) is capable of doing 3-5k damage per salvo reliably to broadside targets.

 

Oh and you forgot the most important thing. Gearing torps reload very very slow (104 sec at best including module and captain skill). You don't even have them ready at the start of the game once you first enter a cap.

[Desteban]

well 3.3 sec and 640m turning radius are alot better to what I am used to...

But  not having Torps ready would be a real problem in my plan.

 

hmm seems like there really is no way for Gearing to contest early cap against Z52

[WingedHussar_Adler]

To sum it up...with al things consider Gearing is still top DD in game in terms of competitive play.

 

Shima, Groznevoy and Z 52 has no spot there because they lack team tool. Only viable option is : 1 place gearing - spoting (with cv) with sharing best stealth in game, smoking team with THE BEST smoke in game and defensive AAA, 2 place Khaba for flanking.

 

other 3 dds are just fine for random....everything is just fine for randoms......

 

so back to OP question....Gearing is very competitive ship....top dog in competitive play and very solid in randoms...for randoms it has very friendy torps with longest range (not conting shity 20 km of shima that are spoted 5 km away).....it has great smoke for self or team....it has great guns for smokefire and in close combat nothing can get him.....

[_Teob_]

To sum it up...with al things consider Gearing is still top DD in game in terms of competitive play.

 

Shima, Groznevoy and Z 52 has no spot there because they lack team tool. Only viable option is : 1 place gearing - spoting (with cv) with sharing best stealth in game, smoking team with THE BEST smoke in game and defensive AAA, 2 place Khaba for flanking.

 

other 3 dds are just fine for random....everything is just fine for randoms......

 

so back to OP question....Gearing is very competitive ship....top dog in competitive play and very solid in randoms...for randoms it has very friendy torps with longest range (not conting shity 20 km of shima that are spoted 5 km away).....it has great smoke for self or team....it has great guns for smokefire and in close combat nothing can get him.....

 

The only reason Gearing is the best DD for competitive is def AA coupled with the good smoke. We have not explored Grozovoi (which also has def AA) yet as an option but I am a bit worried about the amount of damage that thing takes from BB AP. It might be a viable alternative as it can shoot at targets that the Gearing can't. Needs testing.

 

Z52 is actually a semi-viable option for competitive due to the fast torpedo reload and the great hydro. Sitting in smoke is considerably more difficult at t10 in competitive due to long range torps. This makes hydro invaluable. And the torpedo reload is important because you want to get BBs to blow their repair, your own damage is irrelevant. 

The main reason why the Z struggles to get into rosters is its awful smoke.

 

Khaba is not an option at all for competitive as you will get shot to bits. It's fine for randoms where people can't shoot but for competitive it's terrible. It is in fact the worst option. The Shima is a better option.

 

At any rate, I agree with you in principle on the Gearing for competitive but the OP was about randoms I believe.

And in randoms, yes, the Gearing is a bit underwhelming at times.

It's a slow, fat boat with the same torpedo DPM as the Z52 (yes they actually have very similar torpedo DPM), with fast firing guns but you struggle to hit anything smaller than a BB past 7km in a world where everything is faster than you so you can get kited easily. 

However it is also the only DD with an answer to anything it comes up against. Like I said before, it might not be the best at anything but it does everything well.

[Synth_FG]

Grozovoi is a nightmare for enemy CV's as you don't see the thing until you are on top of it and your planes are disolving, (and if its in smoke with something else spotting you don't see it at all)

Gearings AA is much less impressive, (tho not too shabby with def AA) 

Gearing will still tear Japanese DD's apart, power creep on the Russian and German lines does make her more middle of the road tho, 

[Eviscerador]

Grozovoi is a nightmare for enemy CV's as you don't see the thing until you are on top of it and your planes are disolving, (and if its in smoke with something else spotting you don't see it at all)

Gearings AA is much less impressive, (tho not too shabby with def AA) 

Gearing will still tear Japanese DD's apart, power creep on the Russian and German lines does make her more middle of the road tho, 

 

To be honest the Gearing will tear any DD apart, even a Khaba, if it can dictate the terms. That is, if the Khaba doesn't run away at 47 knots, or the Z-52 doesn't smoke up + hydro you to death. Dunno agains the Grozovoi, since I never found one.

 

The problem is, at tier 10 most DD players know their crap.

[_Teob_]

 

To be honest the Gearing will tear any DD apart, even a Khaba, if it can dictate the terms. 

 

With all due respect, no it won't. We've done these tests in my clan ages ago with both ships stationary at 3km. And this was before the Khaba got its 20% HE dmg buff. A Khaba will wipe the floor with a Gearing, in a straight DPS race, in a real world scenario, despite the Gearing's higher theoretical DPS.

If they both use AP then the Gearing dies in like 3 salvos. If they both use HE, the Gearing lands a lot of shells on the 50mm side plates on the Khaba and does no damage while taking 2-3k HE salvos in return (up to like 4-5k salvos before dmg saturation).

 

And of course the Khaba will kite away. It goes almost 50kn (with speed boost and flag) while the Gearing goes 36. The Gearing cannot kill a Khaba before it runs away, even in perfect circumstances.

 

It's not a contest, a Khaba will beat a Gearing each and every time in a gun fight. It's a myth that the Gearing has any chance whatsoever. 

[El2aZeR]

It's not a contest, a Khaba will beat a Gearing each and every time in a gun fight. It's a myth that the Gearing has any chance whatsoever. 

 

You have just created a bunch of scrubs that will run away from a Khaba no matter the circumstances.

 

I agree that Gearing doesn't stand a chance against Khaba in an equal fight, but for Christ's sake if you find an advantageous engagement please take it.

[GeneraIKrizmuz]

 

You have just created a bunch of scrubs that will run away from a Khaba no matter the circumstances.

 

As they should unless the Khaba is coming towards you at criminally low health or distracted by your teammates

[Eviscerador]

To be honest if I see a Khaba I just keep him spotted and expect my team mates to get rid of him. It usually works.

[_Teob_]

 

You have just created a bunch of scrubs that will run away from a Khaba no matter the circumstances.

 

I agree that Gearing doesn't stand a chance against Khaba in an equal fight, but for Christ's sake if you find an advantageous engagement please take it.

 

I mean... I sort of run away from Khabas in the Gearing as well and I like to think that I am not a total scrub 

 

Difficult fight that I'd rather not take most of the time. Especially if my torps are on reload and I risk the chance of a full cooldown reset on them.

[El2aZeR]

As they should unless the Khaba is coming towards you at criminally low health or distracted by your teammates

 

As I said, only engage if you have an advantageous position.

[EmilyFara]

 

As I said, only engage if you have an advantageous position.

 

But even then... His speed, armour, repair and laser guns are a massive advantage to fight against.

[Synth_FG]

 

But even then... His speed, armour, repair and laser guns are a massive advantage to fight against.

 

They still occasionally detonate tho

[EmilyFara]

 

They still occasionally detonate tho

 

So does the Gearing ;)