Kaga to be introduced as Tier VII(Premium?) in WoWS, according to Japanese stream

[Spellfire40]

You guys forget that Saipan has 2 deck options, so maybe Kaga will have the same, even more.

 

​The Problem still is Saipan can dictate the Engagement wich is why its a fun CV even with low number of planes were with 93 planes ist near imposible that Kaga will have strong or even decent planes. Still will interesting to see if they will include Bomber Kates with 800kg (1760lb) ap bombs. Personally i would have rather seen her on T8 with a normal loadout Facing Saipans is just a bleak prospect.

[fnord_disc]

 

No, I told about general Jap CV strategies. I fought against competent Jap CV captains in my Saipan and Ranger so I know very well what they can do. They know their fighters are weaker but they also know how to make your life not easier either.

 

I know they can make it difficult, but that wasn't the question. I simulated that simply to find out whether Kaga has competitive fighters with Saipan, nothing else.

 

If you start taking AA into account, where does it stop? I can win against Midway fighters with my Hosho if I'm right over a Minotaur.

 

You keep dragging things into this that don't matter. Once you know that your fighters are worse, you play accordingly and lure them over friendlies. That's basic tactics and should be ignored for trying to find out which fighters are better.

 

I could have easily simulated some long range AA auras as well, but I didn't. Because it doesn't matter.

[Darth_Glorious]

 

I know they can make it difficult, but that wasn't the question. I simulated that simply to find out whether Kaga has competitive fighters with Saipan, nothing else.

 

If you start taking AA into account, where does it stop? I can win against Midway fighters with my Hosho if I'm right over a Minotaur.

 

You keep dragging things into this that don't matter. Once you know that your fighters are worse, you play accordingly and lure them over friendlies. That's basic tactics and should be ignored for trying to find out which fighters are better.

 

I could have easily simulated some long range AA auras as well, but I didn't. Because it doesn't matter.

 

But I told to others before you, not to you....Posting after your post does not mean replying to you, LOL.

[fnord_disc]

 

But I told to others before you, not to you....Posting after your post does not mean replying to you, LOL.

 

Mate, you can't even use warships.today without screenshotting your sig on a lucky day and uploading it to tinypic.

 

Is there anything you won't try lying about?

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Mate, you can't even use warships.today without screenshotting your sig on a lucky day and uploading it to tinypic.

 

Is there anything you won't try lying about?

 

I thought that people can do whatever with their sig....You have problems with that, it is your problem, not mine...

[SexyCroat]

ok kids take it to private, some of us want to dicuss this CV as its the only thing new to its class in a long time...

 

so we talked about 2-2-2 loadout, i think it would be interesting if Kaga had that 2-2-2 balanced loadout with 2 more, 1-3-2 like the old IJN strike but with fighter, and the AS deck (which no decent cv will play) 3-1-2. Those would bring much diversity into tier 7 cv gameplay

[Cadelanne]

ok kids take it to private, some of us want to dicuss this CV as its the only thing new to its class in a long time...

 

so we talked about 2-2-2 loadout, i think it would be interesting if Kaga had that 2-2-2 balanced loadout with 2 more, 1-3-2 like the old IJN strike but with fighter, and the AS deck (which no decent cv will play) 3-1-2. Those would bring much diversity into tier 7 cv gameplay

 

Can't see anything intresting, both get owned by 2/2/2 anyway. 3/1/2 as useless as with Hiryu (in random), 1/3/2 no way that it wins against an equally competent 2/2/2 or 2/2/0 because strike just can't be defended by 1 squad of T6 fighters vs 2 squad of T7 fighters.

[Ragweek]

Well I would strongly disagree with that. Given the option I would take 1/3/2 over 2/2/2 every time. At tier 7 it could one shot anything.

Just think about it 15 torps in one strike!

It would make a cv strike viable too.

[Cadelanne]

Well I would strongly disagree with that. Given the option I would take 1/3/2 over 2/2/2 every time. At tier 7 it could one shot anything.

Just think about it 15 torps in one strike!

 

It would make a cv strike viable too.

 

if you're against a same level oponent there's no way you can strike in peace. Of course you would pick 1/3/2 and be successful with it, because you'll be match against lower level opponents most of the time. But still, when you just compare decks, if you're against a player that is a match to you I think you'll get eaten with a 1/3/2.

[SexyCroat]

 

if you're against a same level oponent there's no way you can strike in peace. Of course you would pick 1/3/2 and be successful with it, because you'll be match against lower level opponents most of the time. But still, when you just compare decks, if you're against a player that is a match to you I think you'll get eaten with a 1/3/2.

 

try stock deck on Hyriu or strike Lexington, it works but it takes more skill and time, 1-3-2 would definetly be my choice

[Darth_Glorious]

 

if you're against a same level oponent there's no way you can strike in peace. Of course you would pick 1/3/2 and be successful with it, because you'll be match against lower level opponents most of the time. But still, when you just compare decks, if you're against a player that is a match to you I think you'll get eaten with a 1/3/2.

 

I play mostly strike setup. I always spread my force so they cannot strafe me easily. My opponent can kill some of my squads here and there but he cannot block all of my attacks. And rearming fighter always gives you 3-4 minutes to do your attacks.

[Sargento_YO]

With such huge size also I´m wondering about the size of the citadel. Also it would be kinda impossible to conceal.

Still, I would buy it.

[Ragweek]

 

try stock deck on Hyriu or strike Lexington, it works but it takes more skill and time, 1-3-2 would definetly be my choice

 

tried both, even got 330k damage in a strike lex. I feel that with a 1/3/2 load out the damage potential would be higher. 

[SexyCroat]

 

tried both, even got 330k damage in a strike lex. I feel that with a 1/3/2 load out the damage potential would be higher. 

 

definetly, 1-3-2 would be a new deck, something not in game now and it would remind to old ijn strike decks we had so much fun.

[El2aZeR]

I play mostly strike setup. I always spread my force so they cannot strafe me easily. My opponent can kill some of my squads here and there but he cannot block all of my attacks. And rearming fighter always gives you 3-4 minutes to do your attacks.

 

There is one time you can always get strafed: When you've passed the point of no return on a drop. You may get torps in the water, but you'll suffer heavily for it and eventually run out of planes, even with the projected capacity of 90.

I don't see the point in giving up a fighter for an extra torp bomber. You lose too much utility and air coverage the extra fighter gives you, especially considering you'll already be on the back foot with T6 planes. Sniping against 1/3/2 will also be hilariously easy and thus become a viable tactic.

[StringWitch]

Kinda boring. I wanted triple-deck early 30s Kaga.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

There is one time you can always get strafed: When you've passed the point of no return on a drop. You may get torps in the water, but you'll suffer heavily for it and eventually run out of planes, even with the projected capacity of 90.

I don't see the point in giving up a fighter for an extra torp bomber. You lose too much utility and air coverage the extra fighter gives you, especially considering you'll already be on the back foot with T6 planes. Sniping against 1/3/2 will also be hilariously easy and thus become a viable tactic.

 

Yes... Hiryu fighters have enough problems chewing through USN planes when fully upgraded. A single T6 fighter might offer cover in name only.

[Affeks]

Kinda boring. I wanted triple-deck early 30s Kaga.

 

No doubt WG will use this chance to release the Triple Deck Kaga as either a Premium hull upgrade or another premium ship in itself lmao.

[Ragweek]

 

Yes... Hiryu fighters have enough problems chewing through USN planes when fully upgraded. A single T6 fighter might offer cover in name only.

I'm not so sure they have the same speed as the t7 ones. With the capains skill they will be on par. 

[El2aZeR]

I'm not so sure they have the same speed as the t7 ones. With the capains skill they will be on par. 

 

You'd need a perfect strafe to do anything meaningful. Saipan loses against Hiryu in a click duel because her fighters are outnumbered (assuming both have taken AS and Hiryu has DE). That will never be the case with Kaga if she gets standard fighter squad sizes as we're assuming.

[pra3y]

With the open area at the bow and the stern of the ship will shells go through harmlessly or will they count as hits

 

[El2aZeR]

With the open area at the bow and the stern of the ship will shells go through harmlessly or will they count as hits

 

If Langley and Hosho are any indication, they'll go through harmlessly. 

 

I mean....

 

 

[pra3y]

 

If Langley and Hosho are any indication, they'll go through harmlessly. 

 

I mean....

 

 

 

Now this will be interesting

[Ragweek]

 

You'd need a perfect strafe to do anything meaningful. Saipan loses against Hiryu in a click duel because her fighters are outnumbered (assuming both have taken AS and Hiryu has DE). That will never be the case with Kaga if she gets standard fighter squad sizes as we're assuming.

 

I don't get your argument.  There will be only 1 teir between the fighters. With the same unit size. With the capains perk it should make it a fare fight.

 

So per squad the lower teir will have no effect with them having the same speed. We don't know what the AS load out will be at the minute for this cv. Could even be crazy like 4/1/1.

[El2aZeR]

I don't get your argument.  There will be only 1 teir between the fighters. With the same unit size. With the capains perk it should make it a fare fight.

 

Stats assuming AS and AGM1+2 are taken:

 

Hiryu T7 fighters:

HP: 1777 * 5 = 8885

DPS: 64 * 5 = 320

Ammo (with DE): 76

 

(supposed) Kaga T6 fighters:

HP: 1525 * 5 = 7625

DPS (without DE): 48 * 5 = 240

DPS (with DE and 1 tier difference): 53 * 5 = 265

Ammo (with DE): 99

 

T6 fighters will be vastly inferior to T7 fighters no matter what skills you take. Your only hope will be to outlast them with your superior ammo capacity, but the chance of that happening is incredibly slim.

 

We don't know what the AS load out will be at the minute for this cv. Could even be crazy like 4/1/1.

 

Even if, AS is gonna be worthless as is pretty much every AS loadout in the game. There's no need to discuss it.