Kaga to be introduced as Tier VII(Premium?) in WoWS, according to Japanese stream

[RUSSIANBlAS]

2x5 IJN torp bombers is going to get brutalised by anything with half decent AA.

 

This will be a lol fest for things like the Iowa if noobs try and bomb you.

 

It'll literally be that COME AT ME BRO meme...

 

[Verdius]

2x5 IJN torp bombers is going to get brutalised by anything with half decent AA.

 

This will be a lol fest for things like the Iowa if noobs try and bomb you.

 

Seems like they are going to introduce Kaga to make the Clear Skies medals more attainable.

[Darth_Glorious]

2x5 IJN torp bombers is going to get brutalised by anything with half decent AA.

 

This will be a lol fest for things like the Iowa if noobs try and bomb you.

 

It'll literally be that COME AT ME BRO meme...

 

 

Try the same with some tier 5

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Try the same with some tier 5

 

Time to dust off my Texas then... 

[Cadelanne]

 

Try the same with some tier 5

 

CVs are OP when they're +2 and useless when they're -2. Nothing to do with Kaga specifically. Besides that we don't know yet how the spread will be affected (if it's really 2x5). If it's the same spread with more torps it'll be stronger if planes aren't shot down, but if it's just a larger spread with same distance between torps than regular IJN then it's useless AF.

[Takeda92]

You guys forget that Saipan has 2 deck options, so maybe Kaga will have the same, even more.

[El2aZeR]

You guys forget that Saipan has 2 deck options, so maybe Kaga will have the same, even more.

 

Considering WG is unwilling to give up on AS you can bet she'll have at least one AS loadout (that nobody of a higher skill level will actually play). IJN full strike is unlikely to ever come back, so that'll leave us with just AS and balanced.

 

As AS is not even worth talking about, we can just keep basing our discussion around the balanced deck. 

[Corvi]

 

Considering WG is unwilling to give up on AS you can bet she'll have at least one AS loadout (that nobody of a higher skill level will actually play). IJN full strike is unlikely to ever come back, so that'll leave us with just AS and balanced.

 

As AS is not even worth talking about, we can just keep basing our discussion around the balanced deck. 

 

Someone needs to do the math if T6 planes can keep up with the T9 Saipan ones if they have the dogfighting skill which would mean a whooping 30% bonus with one extra plane in the squad.

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Someone needs to do the math if T6 planes can keep up with the T9 Saipan ones if they have the dogfighting skill which would mean a whooping 30% bonus with one extra plane in the squad.

 

Without CV modules and captain skills

:

T6 A6M2 :

AA DPS = 44 x 1,3 = 57

1210 hp

Max survival time in AA aura per plane = 19 s (to ensure that even terribly weak AA can kill plane if it stays in AA aura too long, auto-reset if plane leaves AA aura or when one plane in the squad is shot down))

 

Total AA DPS = 57 x 4 = 228

Chance to kill 1 Saipan fighter plane per tick = 12%

 

T9

DPS = 70

1910 hp

Max survival time in AA aura per plane = 12 s

 

Total DPS = 70 x 3 = 210

Chance to kill Kaga fighter plane per tick = 17%

[VC381]

I like, been saying for ages we need an "opposite" to Saipan with lots of planes but lower tier. T7 matchmaking with enough planes to darken the sky and no need to care about losses, this should be fun and look awesome even if it isn't actually that strong.

 

Edit: biggest worry is this thing is slow for a CV and a bigger target than a Lexington, all on smaller maps and without Def AA. Snipe bait and instant target when inevitably spotted.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Someone needs to do the math if T6 planes can keep up with the T9 Saipan ones if they have the dogfighting skill which would mean a whooping 30% bonus with one extra plane in the squad.

 

 Surely any half good Saipan player strafes and almost never dogfights? 

[fnord_disc]

Again: Hiryu has the same T6 torpedo bombers.

 

If you think those are squishy, fine. But "lolT6TB" isn't an argument against Kaga.

[Verdius]

 

 Surely any half good Saipan player strafes and almost never dogfights? 

 

Not to mention that his planes are way faster so he'll always be able to dictate the engagement.

[procrastinatingStudent]

quickly readies the Atlanta  

[Affeks]

Really disappointed that Kaga is the premium choice and not Akagi.... Kaga fits much better into what would be the second IJN CV line, the converted CV line that are considerably slower. Akagi is kinda an outlier in many ways from that line, its fast and has a different DP armament than the rest of the line. 
 

I hope WG gives CV captains a chance to actually consider a secondary build on a CV. Not that it should be strong, just that its at least there. Then again the 20cm secondaries will have AP and the possibility is already gone, not to mention that WG might give them 4km range. Thanks WG! 

As for the loadout I wouldn't actually mind a "reverse Saipan", maybe it won't be OP.. but its at least gimmicky enough potentially be fun.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Not to mention that his planes are way faster so he'll always be able to dictate the engagement.

 

Saipan is very elegant compared to IJN CV.

 

Either 2/0/2 or 3/1/0 is very easy to juggle unlike a large amount of squishy planes. Esp as the take off and landing queue is going to be that much shorter too.

 

I'm sure in Unicum hands IJN wins but Saipan is strong for the rest of us.

[Cadelanne]

Again: Hiryu has the same T6 torpedo bombers.

 

If you think those are squishy, fine. But "lolT6TB" isn't an argument against Kaga.

 

It's already an argument against Hiryu, so sure it also is against Kaga.

[fnord_disc]

Monte Carlo simulation (10000 samples) of Kaga vs Saipan using the +30% DMG skill.

 

-3 means Saipan wins with 3 planes left, +4 means Kaga wins with 4 planes left, and so on for the values inbetween.

 

No AS:

 

 

AS:

 

[Darth_Glorious]

Normally, decent Jap CV players will kite US fighters to their teammates AA. So you have to take that into account too. LOL

[fnord_disc]

Normally, decent Jap CV players will kite US fighters to their teammates AA. So you have to take that into account too. LOL

 

And a decent US player won't chase them... so...

[Psychocouac]

2x5 IJN torp bombers is going to get brutalised by anything with half decent AA.

 

This will be a lol fest for things like the Iowa if noobs try and bomb you.

 

It'll literally be that COME AT ME BRO meme...

 

 

Yeah but what about DDs? With one more torp it will be easier to hit them unless they have defensive fire aa. Also easier to cross torp smoke.

[Darth_Glorious]

 

And a decent US player won't chase them... so...

 

You only need them to chase you in the long range AA which is hard to see, . Sometimes they will lose 1 plane immediately which can change the entire fight afterwards.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Neither Strike Hiryu or Strike Saipan (let's face it, they are both the optimal load out most of the time) will achieve air dominance over the other. Neither has the fighter cover for it.

 

Unless Kaga literally has a build that gives 3 or 4 (?!?) Fighter Squadrons and has a decent strike package too I can't see this dynamic changing.

[fnord_disc]

 

You only need them to chase you in the long range AA which is hard too see, . Sometimes they will lose 1 plane immediately which can change the entire fight afterwards.

 

Now you're just looking for excuses to hype Kaga's trashy fighters.

 

Go play Hiryu with stock fighters for a few games and let me know how that worked out for you.

 

At this point the more interesting questions are Kaga's alternate loadouts and the drop pattern of the 5 TB squad.

[Darth_Glorious]

 

Now you're just looking for excuses to hype Kaga's trashy fighters.

 

Go play Hiryu with stock fighters for a few games and let me know how that worked out for you.

 

At this point the more interesting questions are Kaga's alternate loadouts and the drop pattern of the 5 TB squad.

 

No, I told about general Jap CV strategies. I fought against competent Jap CV captains in my Saipan and Ranger so I know very well what they can do. They know their fighters are weaker but they also know how to make your life not easier either.