TK System

[rudeflounder4]

So i was playing my atago and fire some torps at a smoke screen and a friendly sims just ran into them and he was blaming me for TK him he can see the torps from a far and he gets a warning he ran into them on purpose i think this system is broken because now i am punisched for something that was a accident 

[Tyrendian89]

nothing to see here, just another dolt that thinks he doesn't have to watch where he fires his torps...

[Gnirf]

OP You are fairly new? less than 1000 games so I assume you are here for serious comments.

And they are: Its Always your fault. Assume that take your 5 penalty pink games and move on.

Even if it is not your fault do not bother, 98 % of the occasions it is.

I have done it too, not anything to be proud of, just learn from it.

[Cosseria]

"He ran into them on purpose"

Yes yes of course, he did it because he's a sadomasochist, I bet he was writing in chat things like "Yeah like that, torp me harder, kick me back to port!! I loooooove to lose time and credits!!"

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

still always look if no ally in range before torp

[Kruzenstern]

When I am a DD, the torpedos from 'friendly' Atagos, Myokos and the like are quite often more dangerous to me  than any enemy torps. The simple rule of 'don't fire torps when there is a friendly ship closer to the enemy' doesn't seem to apply to them... And that is why it is your fault OP, that Sims was not intentionally going into your torps, but probably busy shooting and/or evading enemy shots and torps, not expecting to be torped from behind as well. You simply got what you deserved.

[mtm78]

I WILL gladly take a friendly torp if some PLEB in a cruiser is torping from second line endangering me. Especially if I need to choose to either die from the enemy because some PLEB torps from second line and forces a turn / stop, or to die directly from the PLEB's torpedoes. 

 

now i am punisched for something that was a accident 

 

There are no accidents. Just PLEBS torpedoing from second line being a PLEB endangering the ships which are in front of them. 

 

Want to use torpedoes? BE IN THE FRONT LINE, OR MAKE SURE NO ALLY COULD EVER GET IN THEIR WAY PERIOD.

 

Friendly torpedoes aren't. 

 

[Aotearas]

Someone done floundered rudely, eh?

 

Eh?

 

Mkay, I'll see myself out.

[pontacringeoana]

I think you are wrong here

It seems he run into them biu i was not

Sometimes players in the haste of the moment   dont  see friendly torps/movements

[AwesomeChicken]

There is no such thing like "friendly" torpedoes.

[El2aZeR]

You have a replay of this?

 

You know, for research purposes. 

[robihr]

only torpedoes that i like more are those from russian ca or german ca... specially when nearest enemy is 15km away...

[SV_Kompresor]

only torpedoes that i like more are those from russian ca or german ca... specially when nearest enemy is 15km away...

 

Indeed....or when a jap DD is too scared to use its guns on a 1k hp soviet dd

[Admiral_noodle]

I pinked myself not so long ago with Atago. Similar situation. I wasn't torping from second line - there wasn't a line. The battle had become Messy. But I hadn't taken into account an evading shima who I was actually going to endanger. He changed direction evading fire and enemy torps. Ran into mine and died.

 

My fault. Just play pink and try to avoid such incidents in future. Pink isn't a punishment. It's a warning 

[Skyllon]

(...) i am punisched for something that was a accident (...)

 

 

I guess if you accidentaly fire torpedoes you should stay away from all vessels carrying them...

 

It is always your fault if you hit friendly ships with your torpedoes. You never fire from second line (unless you communicate it and everyone is aware of what you are about to do which is not something you can do last minute or even over chat since people often are too focus too pay attention to it).

And you never fire in the direction of your allies, as long as they are in range of your torps.

How can you be sure he got your warning? And even if he did, how do you know situation did not develope that forced him on the collision course with your torps?

[_DeathWing_]

As most of them said, 1st don't launch them if someone is already in front of you or might be in time they reach the targeted location or ship. 2nd don't launch torpedoes if the enemy ship is close to death as you may risk for hitting ally ship, again and it's a waste of time and torps (<--- this one happened to me when I'm in BB fighting against enemy BB at close range combat).

[rudeflounder4]

yes i have an replay and i don't care if i get a pink name but the point was he was far away from my torps he was smoking my aim and ran into them i didn't know he was sailing there i thought he is going to stop and sit in his smoke for a minute and i knew there was a enemy smoke stack in front of him with a DD in it so i fired my trops at the enemy smoke stack

[Unintentional_submarine]

i thought he is going to 

 

That's the problem. You assumed he was going to behave in a certain way, without knowing his intentions nor having his information. He might have been detected by other means than direct sight (radar/hydro), and decided he would not sit in that smoke. Or he was laying a smokepath for a friend while he intended to scout ahead. Or a million other reasons. It is your job to not impede his options. You have to make sure your actions don't force him to do something that will end up being bad for him.

You have no idea how many times I have died because some jerk decided to torp from behind, cutting me off from where I had to go. I wouldn't condone anyone intentionally taking the torps, but I can absolutely understand them if they do when someone basically sets them up to be killed.

 

Don't bloody do that crap! Is that understood? Don't launch torpedos from behind someone without having a clear agreement with them. Calling out a "torps behind you" is not enough. A friendly shouldn't have to look over his shoulder to see if some inconsiderate narcissist has decided that he knows better what is going to happen.

[br1zz]

its 100% YOUR fault. NEVER torp from second line. even if he sees your torps, dodging them might force him to show broadside to the opponents, or he needs to retreat to get unspotted and you DENY him that way.

[mtm78]

i thought

 

Simple solution -> stop thinking. 

 

Friendly torpedoes aren't. So grow a pair and be in front if you feel like using them. 

[EdiJo]

The problem starts somewhere around Tier 6, where cruisers obtain long range torpedoes... 

 

And yes, accidents do happen. For example, I am usually trying to be aware of what's happening, but sometimes there are situations like I had in my Mogami or other Myoko/Takao, don't remember. Lone Russian DD was shooting me (1 vs 1, no friendlies around), than smoked up, so I immediately launched 10km torps into that smoke.  Anyway, it happened: friendly Kagero, being somewhere 7-8km away from that smoke and from the line of torping, suddenly felt the need to change his position across the map. He ate one, fortunately he didn't sink (probably dmg saturation, only 9k dmg), and he even didn't curse much. 

 

Immediately shooting long range torps into smoking-up DD by IJN cruisers is usually quite efficient, and don't tell me that "I shouldn't". Of course assuming, that there are no friendlies around. On the other side, what it means "around"? You can't predict every DD "changing the side" using his 40 knot speed. On the other side, those DD should be aware that "smokes are torpedo magnets" and be aware that someone might have torped that smoke. Especially if you mention it on chat.

 

So - yes, the fault is mostly on the shooting "2nd line" guy, but in certain situations at least part of it is on the "1st line" DD as well. 

 

Apart from "max range accidents" there are also "close range f*kups". Some tru story:

 

You charge in your Kamikaze at a battleship (say, a Nagato) and some "friendly" guy in faster Russian gunboat near you decides "he goes first", uses his Stalin boosters and pushes in 50 meters before you, even if he has smaller range for torpedoing, or even if he has no HP to survive. And even despite you write on chat to him. Yet he blocks your line of fire. You wait, wait, are being shot at by secondaries, other enemies, wait, wait. You could have your launchers almost again reloaded already. In the meantime you write on chat you want to torp and wanna survive, try to agree who goes which side...

Finally, the blocker goes to the left & launches his pathetic 4-km torpsiez. You write him that you launch torps, you launch, but soon the idiot turns back to the right and eats all your salvo. Idiot's torps of course miss. Battleship wets his pants from laughter as you run away barely alive. Whos fault it all was?

 

[mtm78]

On the other side, what it means "around"?

 

ANYWHERE were allies can cross the path of your torpedoes.

 

I really whish WG would add the auto ban system to WoWs so second line scrubs can be taught the hard way..... That also applies for your nice 'true story'. You shoot from behind others = YOUR FAULT PERIOD. 

[EdiJo]

 

ANYWHERE were allies can cross the path of your torpedoes.

 

I really whish WG would add the auto ban system to WoWs so second line scrubs can be taught the hard way..... That also applies for your nice 'true story'. You shoot from behind others = YOUR FAULT PERIOD. 

 

ANYWHERE for 10km slow torps means some 7-8km from any DD. This really requires the DD to be really suddenly starting to go to be torped exactly at the same time I launched, AND it requires the DD to be illiterate or having the chat turned off. First is unprobable, second is DD fault. So I should not launch torps in 99% cases where it was perfectly fine because in 1% there is a deaf suicidal DD "going in the 1st line"? I don't think so... I can only warn the guy that the torps are in the water, and he has PLENTY of time to adjust course. No threats for him, no sudden surprise - just need of communication. (I am not talking exactly about my Mogami-Kagero accident, because I screwed then, and I didn't warn him).

Significant part of 10km-cruiser torps are launched in the way that really wanting DD can suicide on them. All those cruisers do wrong? 

 

Regarding "tru story" - sorry. A guy deliberately blocking me and exposing me to being killed for nothing, turning back again under my torps AFTER he shot his late tiny short-range things and AFTER I warned him many times I will torpedo... and it is still my fault? Nope. Let's agree to disagree. 

 

Let's not mix such things like above with a guy launching torps 1km behind me in my direction... or some sh*thead deliberately unloading on me because he didn't like what I said 

[mtm78]

Significant part of 10km-cruiser torps are launched in the way that really wanting DD can suicide on them.

 

No they are not, just potato's do this.Or you're just saying this to justify your own behavior.

 

All those cruisers do wrong? 

 

Yes. 

 

 

[Admiral_noodle]

Well. I could have team killed today. I fired my torps where an akatsuki could in theory have been endangered. However he'd been so useless in the game it would have been worth going pink

 

(But seriously just don't)