Problem of friendly ships crashing on my tropidos due to their fault

[Han951753]

I have just had a game which two friendly ships crashed on my tropido due to thier fault. I fired my tropido to a enemy BB however for twice our crusers stands in the way of my tropido line after i fired my tropido for a long time. They really had a lot of time avoiding my tropidos but they did not, because they want to fire some more shells. That is really not my problem but their own, and now i am forced to take the penalty. I feel this is a really unfair pentalty. I hope you can improve the team kill rules and stop punishing people who is in fact the victim.

[ScratxNeko]

Your torpedos, your responsibility. Sorry, nobody should have to be on the lookout for what other friendly ships are firing at the enemy on top of paying attention to what the ENEMY is doing and keeping an eye on the overall tactical situation (aka minimap) and the terrain so they don't do something silly like run aground broadside to enemy BB.

 

It's a really simple rule. You fire 'em, your fault. Don't like it? Tough luck, we have no sympathy for second line torping.

[ColonelPete]

It will not change and will continue to punish players like yourself who launch torpedos without regard for teammates.

[Shaka_D]

Great example of modern society and the trend to refuse to take any blame for anything, despite all common sense pointing to where the blame atually lies, glaringly obvious. Is it so hard to accept failure due to ones own actions or inactions, or words? It's not like its something serious, so when someone cannot accept blame even for something of such little consequence what does that say to us about them? Maybe they just have no ability to rationalise it...yes..that must be it, their inability to appreciate cause and effect.

[eliastion]

I have just had a game which two friendly ships crashed on my tropido due to thier fault. I fired my tropido to a enemy BB however for twice our crusers stands in the way of my tropido line after i fired my tropido for a long time. They really had a lot of time avoiding my tropidos but they did not, because they want to fire some more shells. That is really not my problem but their own, and now i am forced to take the penalty. I feel this is a really unfair pentalty. I hope you can improve the team kill rules and stop punishing people who is in fact the victim.

 

So, you launched torps from second line endangering your allies and you have the audacity to put the blame on them because they didn't realize they are being torped by a teammate!?

The system, if anything, goes too easy on teamkillers like you since there's very little actual punishment even for repeated offenses...

 

You with your attitude towards your victims are the cancer of the seas and most certainly deserve every single match of pinkness you've received. In fact, with this attitude it would be better for everyone if you were just permanently pink so that you only sink yourself next time you decide it's a good idea to torp through your allies' course.

[Luchs1978]

Why blame yourself when you can blame the PATRIARCHY?

 

Or.. no wait... wrong discussion, aye?

[rage1750]

I despise people that recklessly launch torpedos, its bad enough when you have to deal with red torps flying at you but grey torps, 95% of the time is totally avoidable.

 

Is this the point where I say "YOUR FIRED!" ?  

 

Seriously, big boy pants on, be careful where you launch those things 95% of the time if it hits a friendly it's your fault, not theirs.  Occasionally you will hit a friendly as [edited] does happen, but you feel deeply sorry for yourself, learn from your mistakes and not make a "woe woe with me it is everyone else's fault but mine" thread.

 

Big boy pants 

[Fizzy_Odin]

WG should punish team kill with 24h BAN immediately and than pink with 5 games,, just 2 min ago I had match where my team Kagero torped me in Tash form 200-300m away from him - he kill me with 3 torps and than say sorry - I don't want sorry I want compesation becuase i have stock Tash and need to grind to upgrade her and i had 100% forst game +100% camo +50% flag, had and excellent start with 2 caps and 40k on DD and cruser and 2 torps on BB and DD kill and was just about to kill enemy BB with fire and set enemy Izumo also with fire, we win at the end i could make big numbers as I was 4th at the end and was killed like 3-4 min into game ( had 90k and 107k dam game before this one but it was lost )..

 

So this is not first time, some DD players don't care - all they see is damage and don't care abut frendly in your team, how many times did I postponed torping or  go another way around to get a clean spot or even get killed because of that -- but I had never killed my team player with my torps in 2600 battles and a lot of players like to shoot in no matter what and than you need to evade and do thinks and go where you don't want  -- there need to be some normal punishment and than players will learn to be careful = 24h ban immediately

[rage1750]

he kill me with 3 torps and than say sorry - I don't want sorry I want compesation becuase i have stock Tash and need to grind to upgrade her and i had 100% forst game +100% camo +50% flag, had and excellent start with 2 caps and 40k on DD and cruser and 2 torps on BB and DD kill and was just about to kill enemy BB with fire and set enemy Izumo also with fire, we win at the end i could make big numbers as I was 4th at the end and was killed like 3-4 min into game ( had 90k and 107k dam game before this one but it was lost )..

 

And that is my general beef with torp launching imbeciles; I don't want "sorry" when you screw up and torp a friendly, I want you to bloody learn. 

 

Alas, some people are just too dumb.  A ban however, a little harsh in some cases but sometimes 100% justified - go to the corner and think about what you did.  

[Fizzy_Odin]

 

And that is my general beef with torp launching imbeciles; I don't want "sorry" when you screw up and torp a friendly, I want you to bloody learn. 

 

Alas, some people are just too dumb.  A ban however, a little harsh in some cases but sometimes 100% justified - go to the corner and think about what you did.  

 

After that 24h ban 80-90% of them would never do that again or at least they would be a lot more careful when sending torps

[rage1750]

 

After that 24h ban 80-90% of them would never do that again or at least they would be a lot more careful when sending torps

 

I vote that the people too dumb to not learn after the first 24 hour ban get their legs broken; as frankly they deserve it.

 

Your preaching to the choir Father 

[IamTroublemaker]

You are right OP!

For example I really hate when I'm trying to torp a New York 15km away with my Omaha and a teammate eats my torps to save him 

 

 

 That was sarcasm if it wasn't obvious enough already... 

 

[Vaderan]

As much truth as has been said in here: does anybody beleave the OP does read and realize this truth? Seriously? He already showed off his inability of selfreflection, just saying...

 

[x] for even harder restrictions and punishment for TK´ers!

[thewildgam3r]

You all forget the fact that there can be people in this game who like greiffing, It would not surprise me that some people do intentionally run into torpedoes to get someone banned...I myself had someone intentionally run into my torps...they said as much in chat ;)

[ScratxNeko]

You all forget the fact that there can be people in this game who like greiffing, It would not surprise me that some people do intentionally run into torpedoes to get someone banned...I myself had someone intentionally run into my torps...they said as much in chat ;)

 

While that's shitty, you still pretty much had to be second line torping for him to be in a position to intentionally get hit. You're not at all blameless.

[iJoby]

.I myself had someone intentionally run into my torps

 

The simple fact you saying "run into my torps" is amazing, so, some friendly from behind you, saw you fire your torps, he zoomed in front of you, caught up with your torps, managed to get in front of them and killed himself. amazing I tell you!!!

[Capra76]

You all forget the fact that there can be people in this game who like greiffing, It would not surprise me that some people do intentionally run into torpedoes to get someone banned...I myself had someone intentionally run into my torps...they said as much in chat ;)

 

It's not a very good way to grief though, it requires a significant amount of time invested in loading/getting into position in return for the victim getting 5 games as a pinkey when 90% of players don't give a damn about that anyway.

[CleverViking]

While I agree with what's being said here (that it's mostly the one firing that is at fault) there are (rare) occasions where the one that gets torped needs to take some blame. 

 

I remember one of my times going pink where I (in a DD) another DD and a IJN cruiser engaged a BB. Me and the CA drops torps from the south while the other DD is east of the BB. The CA is taking fire from the BB and we need to sink the BB asap. Then the DD decided that the best move would be to rush the BB and drop torps from the north side of it (rather than flanking to our side and dropping torps from southeast). One of my torps miss the BB and goes past him and blam dead DD. Keep in mind I'd released my torps before he decided to yolorush and it was pretty clear at that the BB was already doomed. 

I'm by no means entierely guilt free, but even he admitted that he shared the blame on that one.

 

However, these situations are rare and in 9/10 cases TK torps are just poorly thought out or sent by people with zero situational awareness. My other pink adventures have been my own fault alone. 

 

That being said, I don't believe in harsh penalties for TK torps but would rather see that camos, signals, etc. were refunded if you got teamkilled.

[ScratxNeko]

While I agree with what's being said here (that it's mostly the one firing that is at fault) there are (rare) occasions where the one that gets torped needs to take some blame. 

 

I remember one of my times going pink where I (in a DD) another DD and a IJN cruiser engaged a BB. Me and the CA drops torps from the south while the other DD is east of the BB. The CA is taking fire from the BB and we need to sink the BB asap. Then the DD decided that the best move would be to rush the BB and drop torps from the north side of it (rather than flanking to our side and dropping torps from southeast). One of my torps miss the BB and goes past him and blam dead DD. Keep in mind I'd released my torps before he decided to yolorush and it was pretty clear at that the BB was already doomed. 

I'm by no means entierely guilt free, but even he admitted that he shared the blame on that one.

 

However, these situations are rare and in 9/10 cases TK torps are just poorly thought out or sent by people with zero situational awareness. My other pink adventures have been my own fault alone. 

 

That being said, I don't believe in harsh penalties for TK torps but would rather see that camos, signals, etc. were refunded if you got teamkilled.

 

I agree that in SOME cases the one sunk shares some responsibility. In particular when it's a long ranged torp spread and the teammate's engaging targets in the visibility arc covering the incoming torps. AKA he's seeing the torps coming miles and miles away.

 

But that's at best 1/10 cases, indeed... most people have the brains to evade those torps. The general case is getting torped from behind the engagement arc and that's _always_ entirely the fault of the one firing. That's what we try to hammer into newbies' (and idiots') heads. ^^;

[iJoby]

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camos, signals, etc. were refunded if you got teamkilled

 

​100% agree with you there.

[ScratxNeko]

 

​100% agree with you there.

 

Please fix quote, I wasn't the one suggesting it. CleverViking was, IIRC.

[Unintentional_submarine]

While I agree with what's being said here (that it's mostly the one firing that is at fault) there are (rare) occasions where the one that gets torped needs to take some blame. 

 

I remember one of my times going pink where I (in a DD) another DD and a IJN cruiser engaged a BB. Me and the CA drops torps from the south while the other DD is east of the BB. The CA is taking fire from the BB and we need to sink the BB asap. Then the DD decided that the best move would be to rush the BB and drop torps from the north side of it (rather than flanking to our side and dropping torps from southeast). One of my torps miss the BB and goes past him and blam dead DD. Keep in mind I'd released my torps before he decided to yolorush and it was pretty clear at that the BB was already doomed. 

I'm by no means entierely guilt free, but even he admitted that he shared the blame on that one.

 

However, these situations are rare and in 9/10 cases TK torps are just poorly thought out or sent by people with zero situational awareness. My other pink adventures have been my own fault alone. 

 

That being said, I don't believe in harsh penalties for TK torps but would rather see that camos, signals, etc. were refunded if you got teamkilled.

 

There are technical cases where the one suffering the consequences isn't really that guilty. However, for that to become an actual problem for anyone, one has to wonder how he manages to get into such situations with such a frequency.

 

It really is an incredibly small price to pay if you aren't a person that normally causes team damage to be pink for 5 battles. It only becomes a problem if you somehow causes teamdamage a relatively high rate. At which point one has to ask "is it not then a good thing to make that person reconsider their actions?"

Why be annoyed, angry or whatever these people get, if they are going to be free from the pinky in 5 battles? Pink is nothing more than a warning to the pinky himself, and his teammates. Be it his intention or not to cause the teamdamage. If he didn't intend for it but was careless, then it is just as good that people can be aware that me might be a risk, as if he did it intentionally.

 

So, whenever someone comes here and complains about being punished for other people's actions, I don't really buy it. A person who is truly guiltless wouldn't bother to complain because he would already be free from the pink again, because he wouldn't get stuck in it. He would be confident in his position and know that he wouldn't do it again within the games needed to get rid of it. A person who only thinks he is guiltless bothers to complain as he seemingly gets this problem often enough for it to be noticeable. It annoys him, it affects his playstyle (to the benefit of the rest of us), so he complains that the game is trying to teach him an important lesson about positioning and fire-discipline.

[CleverViking]

There are technical cases where the one suffering the consequences isn't really that guilty. However, for that to become an actual problem for anyone, one has to wonder how he manages to get into such situations with such a frequency.

 

Yeah, I wasn't really arguing against the pink status or defending OP. I'm just a pedant that dislikes people talking in absolutes i.e. "all torp TKs are the fault of the torpeder, not the torpedee".  

 

I've been pink a couple of times (3 I think) and it's usually off quick enough (maybe a match or two worth of extension due to zoomed in teammates ramming you). It doesn't change anything other than giving you a fancy colour so I didn't mind. 

 

 

[darkstar73]

How many here have accidently sunk a team mate? Think most have done that. Just had a game with the Okhotnik. A königsberg fired torpedoes on a scharnhorst even thou he saw me. I mangaed to dodge them. But i noticed that the Okhotnik is like an oiltanker Yes i agree with all of you that it´s the torpedo launching player that have the ultimate responsibility. BUT some player are so damned reckless that they just have to go in a torpedo spread just to maybe get a kill :S And why are there so many T.K in game right now? Have a great day all

 

[waxx25]

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