creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #76 Posted March 10, 2017 Tier 6 La Galissonnìère 152 mm turret 180 deg turn time = 15s (!) ROF = 8 rpm 152 mm shells : AP dmg = 3300 HE dmg = 2200 Fire chance 12% Looks good. Um... Sorry, but I can't find that comment. What did he say? Did he imply that it would have some tricks up its sleeve? Just grasping at straws, they've got to balance out that 7% fire chance somewhere. historically the guns were built for 1,000 mps with fairly heavy dhells, but both the muzzle velocity and shell weight were reduced in an attempt to bring down an atrocious dispersion - in WWII, they would be pretty similar to British 6-inch guns. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LDPDC Players 130 posts 6,587 battles Report post #77 Posted March 10, 2017 Yeah, except there wasn't, it was debunked that Algerie always had the standard /50 guns. I found a source in french stating that they were 3 post ww1 models of french naval 203mm guns: 203mm /50 1924 203mm /50 1931 mounted only on Algerie, said in the source to be almost identical to 1924 model 203mm /55 1940 produced for the St Louis and of which at least 3 pieces where finished Now the source is far from reliable and could even be totally fake but this seem to fit quite well with navweaps version. I did not manage to find any other reference to this 1940 /55... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #78 Posted March 10, 2017 I found a source in french stating that they were 3 post ww1 models of french naval 203mm guns: 203mm /50 1924 203mm /50 1931 mounted only on Algerie, said in the source to be almost identical to 1924 model 203mm /55 1940 produced for the St Louis and of which at least 3 pieces where finished Now the source is far from reliable and could even be totally fake but this seem to fit quite well with navweaps version. I did not manage to find any other reference to this 1940 /55... Those are French 203 mm guns Lesta used : 203 mm L/50 Modèle 1931 for Algérie, Charles Martel (stock gun) : 5 rpm AP dmg 4800, 820 m/s HE dmg 2800, 850 m/s, 15% fire chance 203 mm L/55 Modèle 1934 for Charles Martel (upgraded gun) and Saint Louis 5 rpm Ap dmg 4900, 845 m/s HE dmg 2800, 876 m/s, 15% fire chance Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #79 Posted March 10, 2017 La Galissonnìère 152 mm shells hit max range (16 km) in 12 s (velocity = 870 m/s). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #80 Posted March 10, 2017 La Galissonnìère 152 mm shells hit max range (16 km) in 12 s (velocity = 870 m/s). aren't they 155mm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Deamon93 Sailing Hamster 3,124 posts 1,275 battles Report post #81 Posted March 10, 2017 aren't they 155mm? French earlier guns were 155 mm but later adopted 152 mm ones Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #82 Posted March 10, 2017 Saint Louis max range 18,3 km. 203 mm AP with velo 845 m/s needs 12,8s to reach that mark. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TAK3N] Seisset Players 96 posts 9,452 battles Report post #83 Posted March 10, 2017 ahem... i don't know, but if a shell flies at 845m/s it can reacht 18,3km in 21,66 seconds... if it flies in a straight line and doesn't loses velocity on the way... or there is something in the calculations i don't understan d mfg Ciao Seisset Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] 0ddys Players 1,878 posts 13,186 battles Report post #84 Posted March 10, 2017 You forget to include that ingame speed isnt the same as in reallife. Ships and torpedos move round about 5 times faster and shells 2,6 times faster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #85 Posted March 10, 2017 So overall do you think that French cruisers will be worth grinding till the end? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #86 Posted March 10, 2017 ahem... i don't know, but if a shell flies at 845m/s it can reacht 18,3km in 21,66 seconds... if it flies in a straight line and doesn't loses velocity on the way... or there is something in the calculations i don't understan d mfg Ciao Seisset The game has time compression. The shells follow the arc as if they were flying at 845m/s but they fly faster than that along that arc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #87 Posted March 10, 2017 So overall do you think that French cruisers will be worth grinding till the end? impossible to say. a) We have no idea whether these stats are final - most likely they aren't, and I sure hope the T10 gets some love. Needs it quite badly imho. b) no one else can tell you whether it's worth it - there are people that love the oddest ships to death, and even if the T10 stays as it is I'm sure some people will really enjoy it. So to them it's worth it... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[COMFY] ImperialAdmiral [COMFY] Players 1,649 posts 9,828 battles Report post #88 Posted March 10, 2017 impossible to say. a) We have no idea whether these stats are final - most likely they aren't, and I sure hope the T10 gets some love. Needs it quite badly imho. b) no one else can tell you whether it's worth it - there are people that love the oddest ships to death, and even if the T10 stays as it is I'm sure some people will really enjoy it. So to them it's worth it... About b) I know what you mean. This will happen with me and Italian line. I'm sure. It won't be about stats or performance but about commanding an Italian ship. Anyway still awaiting eagerly for the line and more details. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #89 Posted March 11, 2017 La Galissonnìère 152 mm shells hit max range (16 km) in 12 s (velocity = 870 m/s). That is simlpy not possible mathematically. 870m/s, with no loss of velocity would be 18.3 seconds. aren't they 155mm? No, the 155 mm rifles are on Duguay-Trouin only. http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_Main.php Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #90 Posted March 11, 2017 If I'm not mistaken, the French use of the 155 mm caliber was enough to ensure that at the London Naval Conference the limit for light cruisers' guns would be the same, instead of the widespread 152 mm. And this indirectly meant that the Japanese went and designed their own 155 mm gun, to get the most out of the treaties for their ships. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #91 Posted March 11, 2017 Sorry for the double post, but I just noticed... ...Even though the reference site for the stats has "Henry IV", maybe you could change the title for the topic to the correct French form of "Henri IV"... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #92 Posted March 11, 2017 Except the tier 10, all French CAs have quite tight turning radius. Yes, they are agile. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SICK] Exocet6951 Weekend Tester 5,151 posts 11,809 battles Report post #93 Posted March 11, 2017 No judgment yet on the Duca. I'm waiting for more hardstats and gameplay videos to get a grasp of its softstats. The Henri IV just looks bad though. Too little armor for something that has the worst maneuverability of the bunch, with by far the worse guns, tied for last for the least amount of them. Had you given me the stats sheet a week ago, I would have said that it was some sort of tier 6 or 7 battlecruiser. Faster than the Shiny Horse, sure, but why sacrifice armor, guns, AA, longer damage control and even torpedo protection for all of that? Then it turns out it's a tierX cruiser? lulz Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #94 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Updated with Algérie stats : https://sea-group.org/?p=2451&lang=en Algérie Spoiler Hit Points 35600 Armored deck 22mm – 80mm Citadel Protection 40mm – 110mm Anti-Torpedo Protection 16% Engine Power 84000 horsepower Tonnage 13644 Maximum speed 31 knots Turning Radius 660 m Rudder shift time 8.72 seconds Surface detectability 13.86 km Aerial detectability 8.04 km Consumable 1 Damage Control Party (Cruiser) Consumable 2 Defensive AA Fire (Regular)/Hydroacoustic Search(Regular) Consumable 3 Catapult fighter (HD 780) Consumable 4 Engine Boost (Regular) 203mm/50 Mle 1931 Layout 4×2 AB-XY Reload Time 12 seconds 180°rotation time 30 seconds Sector of fire A turret±140°/B turret±145°/X turret±143°/Y turret±142° Firing range 17.93 meters Sigma Value 2.0 203mm OEA Mle 1927 HE damage 2800 Muzzle velocity 850 m/s Chance of Fire 15% 203mm OPf Mle 1936 AP projectile damage 4800 Muzzle velocity 820 m/s Penetration @ 5/10/15 km 302/213/152 100mm/45 Mle 1931 Layout 6×2 HE damage 1400 Chance of Fire 6% Reload Time 4 seconds Firing Range 4.5 km 550mm tubes Lance-torpilles Layout 2×3 Reload Time 90 seconds Torpedo firing arc 27° – 148° 550mm 23DT Damage 14833 Speed 60 knots Firing Range 9 km Detectability 1.3 km AA 100 mm L/45 Mle 1931 Layout 6 x 2 DPS 41 Range 5 km 37 mm L/70 ACAD Mle 1936 Layout 4 x 2 DPS 48 Range 3,5 km 25 mm L/60 Mle 1939 Layout 6 x 2 DPS 34 Range 3,1 km Edited March 11, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] Psychocouac Alpha Tester 390 posts 7,502 battles Report post #95 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Anti-Torpedo Protection 16% Oh come on, go [edited]yourself WG. Algérie had the world's best torpedo protection of all treaty cruisers and you give her a damn 16%? That's [edited]ridiculous. And again that engine boost useless module for whatever reason? (Bkoz frenchies are supposed to go faster in reverse?! lolol1!1!1!) Edited March 11, 2017 by Psychocouac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #96 Posted March 11, 2017 Oh come on, go [edited]yourself WG. Algérie had the world's best torpedo protection of all treaty cruisers and you give her a damn 16%? That's [edited]ridiculous. should still be far and away the best torp protection of all cruisers right? what else do you want? It's still a cruiser... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #97 Posted March 11, 2017 Well, Jordan in his book says that the system was 4.35 m deep and was designed to resist a 300 kg warhead explosion. Anyway, doesn't WG use torpedo reduction values as balancing factors? That might have been the factor, perhaps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #98 Posted March 11, 2017 Oh come on, go [edited]yourself WG. Algérie had the world's best torpedo protection of all treaty cruisers and you give her a damn 16%? That's [edited]ridiculous. Well, that's actually a lot better than her contemporaries, so... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CPC] Psychocouac Alpha Tester 390 posts 7,502 battles Report post #99 Posted March 11, 2017 (edited) Come on: Nurnberg torp protection: 7% Algérie: 16% Yeah it's more than the double. That won't make any difference when you take a torp hit but yeah... If the ship isn't good at sniping, then make it a brawler. It has the armor to do it, and torp protection should be on par with it. Edited March 11, 2017 by Psychocouac Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #100 Posted March 11, 2017 Algérie is very strong, don't worry about it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
