[CROTX] Jayuus Beta Tester 112 posts 13,212 battles Report post #51 Posted March 10, 2017 Guys, some of you are talking like this is going to be released as is. PRELIMINARY STATS - all this has the potential to change during testing. Why don't we all wait and see how it performs when it goes live THEN criticise it. Never trust leaked stats.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #52 Posted March 10, 2017 Guys, some of you are talking like this is going to be released as is. PRELIMINARY STATS - all this has the potential to change during testing. Why don't we all wait and see how it performs when it goes live THEN criticise it. Never trust leaked stats.... Well, I can only hope they do. Because as it is, the Aosta looks just like a waste of money. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vanhal Alpha Tester 5,609 posts 5,569 battles Report post #53 Posted March 10, 2017 I would like to wait for some official info, but that here, looks like total garbage. Like they sacrificed exactly everything just to have more caliber. And considering the guns parameterers, this sacrifice is completely in vain. Paris might be worth a mass, but this ship certainly isn't. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] orlathebeast Beta Tester 630 posts 9,067 battles Report post #54 Posted March 10, 2017 I just checked and Bismarck secondaries have more fire chance than Duca d'Aosta. Soviet DDs have more fire chance. Even Blyskawica has more fire chance. Nürnberg has better fire chance. The bloody Novik has better fire chance on its 120mm guns. Oh and Budyonny not only has more guns (3x3 compared to 4x2), not only does more damage per shell (100 damage extra with AP and HE with 5% more fire chance) and have 2.5km more range, and have comparable muzzle velocity, but they also gets better penetration (insert Stalinium joke here): 5km 10km Duca 200 122 Budyonny 215 138 It really seems like a worse Budyonny the more I look at it. THIS my only hope is who this stats will change, because this ship has nothings who a budionny didn't have, but lacks of armor, AA, HP and range i was hoping who the italian ships could be something interesting and unique, but if this is an example, they are just not competitive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #55 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Duca d'Aosta has better shell arc then Budy, otherwise, its gameplay is about the same. Edited March 10, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #56 Posted March 10, 2017 Duca d'Aosta has better shell arc then Budy, otherwise, its gameplay is about the same. Except its AP shells, despite having a higher muzzle velocity (50 mps), have worse pen ability, and its HE fire chance looks pitiful, and its range is worse. I really hope this stats don't end up as permanent... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[POMF] Verdius Beta Tester 1,989 posts 4,247 battles Report post #57 Posted March 10, 2017 Duca d'Aosta has better shell arc then Budy, otherwise, its gameplay is about the same. Except for the 7% fire chance which isn't compensated for. I mean it's not like Budyonny has to give up good arcs (at 16.6km) for her 12% fire chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #58 Posted March 10, 2017 Henry IV torpedo firing angle.. OMG, that angle is much better than Graf Spee's. LOL, you only need to turn ~20 degrees either side to launch the torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #59 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Algérie, Charles Martel, Saint Louis 203 mm L/55 ROF is 5 rpm. French cruisers have excellent torpedo launching arc in the game, they don't need to show broadside to launch torps. Saint Louis has better AA rating than Henry IV Edited March 10, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comodoro_Allande Players 2,240 posts 8,469 battles Report post #60 Posted March 10, 2017 Algérie, Charles Martel, Saint Louis 203 mm L/55 ROF is 5 rpm. French cruisers have excellent torpedo launching arc in the game, they don't need to show broadside to launch torps. Saint Louis has better AA rating than Henry IV It's obvious that they have still a lot of work if the leak says that tier IX is better than tier X, or at least let's hope it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hoola_ ∞ Beta Tester 56 posts 4,616 battles Report post #61 Posted March 10, 2017 Oh God I hope the Duca d'Aosta comes out fine. I'd hate to have to buy a shitty ship. Because I will have to buy it. I want it so bad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] 0ddys Players 1,878 posts 13,186 battles Report post #62 Posted March 10, 2017 Fun fact there was no 203mm/55, only 203mm/50. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Snowyskies Players 47 posts Report post #63 Posted March 10, 2017 I'd take the stats with a pretty big grain of salt. As an illuminating example in the stats given you have a post-war 57 mm triaxially stabilized, radar controlled twin AA mount with the same range and only 0,625 more DPS than a manually operated 37 mm twin mount. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #64 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Fun fact there was no 203mm/55, only 203mm/50. There was : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/203mm/55_Mod%C3%A8le_1931_gun Edited March 10, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #65 Posted March 10, 2017 From Navweaps: "Many references state that Algérie used a longer 55 caliber gun, but recent research by John Jordan and Jean Moulin in their "French Cruisers: 1922 - 1956" has determined that she carried the same 50 caliber guns as did the older cruisers." http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_8-50_m1924.php I would trust it before Wikipedia, especially given how shaky the Wiki info is (same ammo and some very shaky, not backed up assumptions about its construction). 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SparvieroVV Players 684 posts 73 battles Report post #66 Posted March 10, 2017 My understanding is WG wanted to show not all premiums are better than tier equivalent research ships. You want a non OP premium that people will buy? Hello first Italian ship. I'm not saying this is the truth. It just makes business sense. I still hope we see the Italian penetrator gets good autobouncce angles or some other benefit. I will wait and see and not go full Germano Mosconi. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #67 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Rechecked. 203 mm L/50 Modele 1931 for Algérie, Charles Martel (stock gun) : 5 rpm AP dmg 4800, 820 m/s HE dmg 2800, 850 m/s, 15% fire chance 203 mm L/55 Modele 1934 for Charles Martel (upgraded gun) and Saint Louis 5 rpm Ap dmg 4900, 845 m/s HE dmg 2800, 876 m/s, 15% fire chance Edited March 10, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BaronMannerheim Players 73 posts 3,265 battles Report post #68 Posted March 10, 2017 hmmmm... I'm a little disappointed by Duca D'Aosta, not because of her presumed bad performances but about the lack of a peculiarity. A prototype for a new cruiser line needs any kind of difference from what we already have. Remove AP shells completely or give a particular consumable or make her navigate only on reverse gear.. whatever. A so anonymous ship makes me think that this is not a prototype and, in future prospective, that there'll never be an Italian cruiser line (sorry don't wanna be so negative). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #69 Posted March 10, 2017 I'm a little disappointed by Duca D'Aosta, not because of her presumed bad performances but about the lack of a peculiarity. A stealthier, more manoeuvrable Russian cruiser with slightly worse guns is fine but I'm sure it'll have something. Maybe the AP will get a special feature to make up for the poor HE, like a 20mm fuse or a high Krupp value (See Tuccy's comment) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #70 Posted March 10, 2017 Tier 3 Friant has ~15 km range with AFT due to 139 mm guns Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] piritskenyer Players, Players, Sailing Hamster 3,462 posts 5,363 battles Report post #71 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) There was : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/203mm/55_Mod%C3%A8le_1931_gun Yeah, except there wasn't, it was debunked that Algerie always had the standard /50 guns. Tier 3 Friant has ~15 km range with AFT due to 139 mm guns 138, but wtv. Edited March 10, 2017 by piritskenyer Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #72 Posted March 10, 2017 (edited) Tier 4 Duguay Trouin 152 mm ROF = 6 rpm Tier 6 La Galissonnìère 152 mm turret 180 deg turn time = 15s (!) ROF = 8 rpm (same as tier 5 Emilie Bertin) 152 mm shells : AP dmg = 3300 HE dmg = 2200 Fire chance 12% Edited March 10, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #73 Posted March 10, 2017 hmmmm... I'm a little disappointed by Duca D'Aosta, not because of her presumed bad performances but about the lack of a peculiarity. A prototype for a new cruiser line needs any kind of difference from what we already have. Remove AP shells completely or give a particular consumable or make her navigate only on reverse gear.. whatever. A so anonymous ship makes me think that this is not a prototype and, in future prospective, that there'll never be an Italian cruiser line (sorry don't wanna be so negative). I don't agree with this really. To an extent it's good but if they're desperately scrambling for everything to be new and different we are just going to end up with a lot of stuff that is either broken OP, useless, or just plain stupid. In fact, since it's a highly anticipated ship and a good looking one at that, it makes sense to be fairly normal so that the playstyle won't put off people buying her because they just want the ship. I'm very happy for variety in flavour without unnecessary wacky playstyle deviations and for premiums that aren't OP. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #74 Posted March 10, 2017 Tier 2 Jurien de la Gravière: 8 x 1 165 mm L/45 guns 6 rpm 3100 dmg AP, 770 m/s 2200 dmg HE, 770 m/s Fire chance 7% Tier 3 Friant 4 x 2 138 mm guns 6 rpm 2700 dmg AP, 790 m/s 2000 dmg HE, 840 m/s Fire chance 8% Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Historynerd Beta Tester 4,249 posts 848 battles Report post #75 Posted March 10, 2017 A stealthier, more manoeuvrable Russian cruiser with slightly worse guns is fine but I'm sure it'll have something. Maybe the AP will get a special feature to make up for the poor HE, like a 20mm fuse or a high Krupp value (See Tuccy's comment) Um... Sorry, but I can't find that comment. What did he say? Did he imply that it would have some tricks up its sleeve? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
