Algérie, Henri IV and Duca d'Aosta preliminary stats

[Seisset]

Looking from different angle I'm pleased about one thing.

 

So far it looks like that high muzzle velocity and exelent maneuverability is going to be the so called national flavour of Italians.

 

Just please Wargaming don't screw this up in future. So far you are going in the right direction.

 

The national flavour of the french is the speed... so... well... perhaps italian get a consumable that increases muzzle velocity for 10 second from 600 to 650m/s... called olive-oil in the barrel...

mfg

 

Ciao

Seisset

[Mucker]

Still, that doesn't explain the torps.

 

I gladly take them as the special gimmick on the Duca. I mean, a T6 cruiser with stealth torping capabilities? WG, take my mony! 

[Historynerd]

Unless someone finds info on the redesigned HE shells for the 152/55 or post war shells it will probably remain as is. Same with the Littorio/Roma the only option for a historical HE shell seems a 774kg shell otherwise it is whatever WG decides to do such as Frankenstein the GP round.

 

Meh, too much work for WG, I guess.

Better stick to the "great AP, meh HE" concept.

 

Besides, it doesn't bother me to have great AP and easy citadels. Being able to tag the enemy easily and citadel them without trying too hard...

 

 

I gladly take them as the special gimmick on the Duca. I mean, a T6 cruiser with stealth torping capabilities? WG, take my mony! 

 

Well, good for you. I guess I'm in the minority, 'cause I'm just too dumb to work torpedoes efficiently.

[SparvieroVV]

Well the torpedoes where always a subject of debate. Either you get russian derp range at decent speed or long range at sims speed. I was hoping the "gimmick" would be allowing the player to choose. Once again for anything better someone has to figure out what improvements where made through the war years. Modest improvements where achieved with better explosive mixtures and engines however we see the French use the same torpedoes for TVI-X so don't hold your breath?

 

The AP isn't given special normalization, autobounce or shatter like the Brits or US?

[phoenix_jz]

The AP isn't given special normalization, autobounce or shatter like the Brits or US?

 

As far as I know, nothing of the sort

[phoenix_jz]

 

The national flavour of the french is the speed... 

 

'speed'

[Affeks]

Wait, they made it so you can have Def AA and Hydro on at the same time? That should be fun...

 

The German Cruisers are crying their eyes out at the moment 

 

 

In all seriousness though, I really hate almost all the changes to the French line. The RoF buffs to tier 8-9 is just ignoring the real problem and trying some soft stat [edited]. Algerie buff doesnt really do much at all... Henri buff is more of just fix rather than a real buff, its something that should have been there all along. The AA and abysmal armor still need A LOT of love after all. 

 

As for tier 4-6 and Duca.... I mean I don't even know what WG is thinking atm. If Duca gets Hydro and AA barrage on separate slots KM Cruises should also get it no doubt. Those torps area also ridiculous. 

 

If that Emile nerf means she gets to reach her 40 knots I won't complain too much, but that doesnt seem to be the case.

[mtm78]

If Duca gets Hydro and AA barrage on separate slots KM Cruises should also get it no doubt.

 

All cruiser should! And then WG has to promise to never be an idiot and add more BB's with radar, or DD's with radar, or (yuck) BB's with defensive fire. Because those classes have cruisers on which they should depend for those things. 

[0ddys]

The penetrationcurve for Henri IV with new AP-drag of 0,2764 (HE-drag remains unchanged, resulting in a 1s longer flighttime to maxrange for HE) and krupp of 2.882 (black with new drag, red with old):

 

 

 

Pretty close to Moskwa now even at range.

[ShinGetsu]

Can we have a comparison with Moskva and other tier 10 CAs in the same graph, please ?

 

I still want a buff in deck armor and reload tho... 

[Azakeit]

The comparison would be nice yeah, but Moskva already has better reload and better muzzle velocity so....

 

Did we have comments from devs on the french cruisers, explaining their "philosophy" of the branch ? (long range ? brawler ?).

[Darth_Glorious]

Moskva :            Penetration @ 5 / 10 / 15 km : 496 / 392 / 314 mm

Henry IV (old) :  Penetration @ 5 / 10 / 15 km : 359 / 266 / 198 mm

Henri IV (new) : Penetration @ 5 / 10 / 15 km : 480 /380 / 300 mm

Now it makes more sense.

It is a 50% improvement in peentration . Nice typo, Lesta

 

Full graph :

Red: Mosvka

Light Blue: Henri IV

Blue: Des Moines

Green: Zao

Magenta: Hindenburg

Brown: Minotaur

 

410 / 380 / 300410 / 380 / 300410 / 380 / 300

[ShinGetsu]

You mean 510 at 5km, no ? Not 410.

[mtm78]

Damn that AP looks tasty now! Damnit another typo

 

[Darth_Glorious]

You mean 510 at 5km, no ? Not 410.

 

480 mm

[Azakeit]

Damn that AP looks tasty now! Damnit another typo

 

Well, considering the fact that the Moskva can shot nearly twice faster and has better range and velocity, hum...

[Darth_Glorious]

At least you have workable AP now.

[mtm78]

DPM is still shite but indeed, you can actually pen stuff you should pen with 240mm guns. I'm also interested in flight times at those distances, if they reduced air drag ballistics should be a lot better right

 

Don't understand why they aren't buffing the deck armor, that Monty salvo on a properly angled Henri was just disgusting and the primary reason why BB masterrace. 

[Psychocouac]

A typo !!! xD

[Darth_Glorious]

Henri IV has another weakspot :

You turn away and you will eat citadels 

 

[Seisset]

 

Well... Tier7 seems to be fine, only real problem: it's very slow, even with the speedboost. i have no idea why they buff the turret rotation, but okay, you should take what you can get. i would play and probably keep it

Tier8: probably a keeper too, but canÄt tell if its competitive... i am just a noob, and my only tier8 until now is the chapy, but... this ship here seems to be okay

tier9: minor upgrade to the tier8, should worse tier for tier, but seems workable with 10 seconds reload.

tier10: ohhh jingles... those torps into the island

beside of that: really wg... i hope after they have fixed the AP, they work on the HE... first of all those shatters, and... for me one big point (don't know how others see that) please give it the same air drag as the AP... and the deck plating? wargaming just says "you have the weakest armour, so you get the biggest guns"... okay... but then thos guns should also perform like big guns. sure, the fire chance is high, but... with the slow reload its allready the lowest chance of fire per minute, and with all the shatters its even much lower. hope we will get ipressions of the patched guns soon, but with this reload you won't be a damage monste... and you are no tanking monster either... but hey, finally... you can run away, this ship is fast, finally... yay. 

And as a final comment: You are fast, you have no armour, so you try to play at max range an snipe, keep the opponent away as much as you can... yep, the torps are mostly for show, or if you get ambushed... because i don't think that you want to ambush someone your self with them, they are not potent enough for that, and they won't give you the edge in a knife fight. i would rather give up the torps to get an improvement somewhere else... but okay... they are there...

mfg

 

Ciao

Seisset

[Azakeit]

The T8 won't be competitive, she has no Radar, no good AA, no smoke, no good concealment, nothing to help the team.

 

[Br0Frost]

DPM is still shite but indeed, you can actually pen stuff you should pen with 240mm guns. I'm also interested in flight times at those distances, if they reduced air drag ballistics should be a lot better right

 

Don't understand why they aren't buffing the deck armor, that Monty salvo on a properly angled Henri was just disgusting and the primary reason why BB masterrace. 

 

Moskva still has about 50% more raw AP-DPS.....

 

Done quick calculations how they must tweak HIV guns to reach Moskva AP-DPS:

 

If they buff AP-Alpha on HIV to 7000! they must buff ROF with reloadmodule to 11 seconds.

 

If they don´t want to buff ROF on HIV they have to buff AP-Alpha to around 9500!

 

I think that tells everything about the still very weak overall performance of AP on the HIV! HE is also very weak if you compare it to HE on other cruisers!

[mtm78]

I didn't say it was competitive, I just said the AP looked tasty and it does, looking at per shell pen and dmg. The rof just kills it though yeah. And no way they will buff raw dmg number it's already pretty high for 240mm. 

[Azakeit]

On a side note, can we stop calling the Henri 4 "HIV" ? I know it's a bad ship atm but it's not at the level of a worldwide disease ^^

 

H4 or just Henri is fine :p