Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #1 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Source : https://sea-group.org/?p=2434&lang=en https://sea-group.org/?p=2438&lang=en https://sea-group.org/?p=2451&lang=en Tier 7 Algérie Hit Points 35600 Armored deck 22mm – 80mm Citadel Protection 40mm – 110mm Anti-Torpedo Protection 16% Engine Power 84000 horsepower Tonnage 13644 Maximum speed 31 knots Turning Radius 660 m Rudder shift time 8.72 seconds Surface detectability 13.86 km Aerial detectability 8.04 km Consumable 1 Damage Control Party (Cruiser) Consumable 2 Defensive AA Fire (Regular)/Hydroacoustic Search(Regular) Consumable 3 Catapult fighter (HD 780) Consumable 4 Engine Boost (Regular) 203mm/50 Mle 1931 Layout 4×2 AB-XY Reload Time 12 seconds 180°rotation time 30 seconds Sector of fire A turret±140°/B turret±145°/X turret±143°/Y turret±142° Firing range 17.93 meters Sigma Value 2.0 203mm OEA Mle 1927 HE damage 2800 Muzzle velocity 850 m/s Chance of Fire 15% 203mm OPf Mle 1936 AP projectile damage 4800 Muzzle velocity 820 m/s Penetration @ 5/10/15 km 302/213/152 100mm/45 Mle 1931 Layout 6×2 HE damage 1400 Chance of Fire 6% Reload Time 4 seconds Firing Range 4.5 km 550mm tubes Lance-torpilles Layout 2×3 Reload Time 90 seconds Torpedo firing arc 27° – 148° 550mm 23DT Damage 14833 Speed 60 knots Firing Range 9 km Detectability 1.3 km AA 100 mm L/45 Mle 1931 Layout 6 x 2 DPS 41 Range 5 km 37 mm L/70 ACAD Mle 1936 Layout 4 x 2 DPS 48 Range 3,5 km 25 mm L/60 Mle 1939 Layout 6 x 2 DPS 34 Range 3,1 km Tier 10 Henri IV stats : Hit Points 53300 Armored deck 30mm – 80mm Citadel Protection 45mm – 140mm Anti-Torpedo Protection 19% Maximum speed 35 knots Turning Radius 840 m Rudder shift time 10.8 seconds Surface detectability 16.56 km Aerial detectability 10.35 km Consumable 1 Damage control party Consumable 2 Defensive fire AA / Hydroacoustic search Consumable 3 Repair party Consumable 4 Engine Booster 240mm/55 Mle 1948 Layout 3×3 AB-Y Reload Time 17.15 seconds 180 ° rotating speed 32.7 seconds Sector of fire AB ± 150 °/Y turret turret ± 144 ° Firing range 19.08 km sigma value 2.0 240mm OEA Mle 1948 Damage 3400 Muzzle velocity 845 m/s Chance of Fire on target caused by He shell 22% 240mm OPfK Mle 1948 Damage 6200 Muzzle velocity 845 m/s Penetration @ 5/10/15 km 359/266/198 127mm/54.5 Mle 1948 Layout 6x2 HE damage 1800 Chance of Fire on target caused by He shell 9% Reload Time 4 seconds Firing Range 4.5-kilometer Torps : 550mm Mle 1924 triple installed Configuration 2 × 3 Loading time 90 seconds Torpedo tube 23 ° - 155 ° 550mm 23DT Dmg 14833 Torp speed 60 knots Range 9.0 km Detectability 1.3 km 127 mm L/54,5 Mlle 1948 Config 6 x 2 DPS : 94 Range 5,2 km 57 mm L/60 Mlle 1951 Config 8x 2 DPS 97 Range 3,5 km Tier 6 Duca d'Aosta Hit Points 29700 Armored deck 15mm – 35mm Citadel Protection 16mm – 70mm Anti-Torpedo Protection 7% Maximum speed 36.5 knots Turning Radius 710 m Rudder shift time 7.63 seconds Surface detectability 12.06 km Aerial detectability 7.35 km Consumable 1 Damage control party Consumable 2 Defensive fire AA / Hydroacoustic search Consumable 3 Scout plane (IMAM Ro.43) 152mm/53 Main gun Layout 4×2 AB-XY Reload Time 7.5 seconds 180°rotation time 30 seconds Sector of fire ±150° Firing range 14.01 km Sigma Value 2.0 152mm HE HE damage 2100 Muzzle velocity 950 m/s Chance of Fire on target caused by He shell 7% 152mm AP early models AP projectile damage 3200 Muzzle velocity 1000 m/s Penetration @ 5/10 km 200/122 100mm/50 Mod.OTO Layout 3×2 HE damage 1500 Chance of Fire on target caused by He shell 6% Reload Time 6 seconds Firing Range 4,5-kilometer 533mm triple loading Layout 2×3 Reload Time 71 seconds Torpedo firing arc 25° – 141° 533mm SI270 Damage 13367 Torp Speed 66 kt Firing Range 4.5-kilometer Detectability 1.4-kilometer AA: 100 mm L/50 Mod.OTO Layout 3x2 DPS 20 Firing range 4km 37 mm Breda Layout 4x2 DPS 46 Firing range 3,5 km 13mm Breda Layout 4x2 DPS 16 Firing range 1,2 km Edited March 11, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #2 Posted March 9, 2017 source ? or just your imagination? Because i don't like it , i was expecting something with Des moiens concealment and Moscva armor but this , this is just another Moscva clone :p Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #3 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) source ? or just your imagination? Because i don't like it , i was expecting something with Des moiens concealment and Moscva armor but this , this is just another Moscva clone :p Source : https://sea-group.org/?p=2434&lang=en https://sea-group.org/?p=2438&lang=en Henry IV is Moskva with torps and Engine booster Edited March 9, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #4 Posted March 9, 2017 neither of the two looks overly impressive to me... sure, Le Grande Baguette gets 240mm guns, but 17s reload? And the mediocre muzzle velocity (and lack of Moskva-level punch that stems from that) doesnt make the AP look all that good either... 3 torps either side arent going to be killing much, although the arcs and 9km range are nice. And that HE on the Duca... 7% base fire chance, lol... although the AP might be pretty good... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #5 Posted March 9, 2017 thx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Killerbin34 WG Staff 260 posts 32,003 battles Report post #6 Posted March 9, 2017 My word the Grand Baguette (I guess thats what its just going to be called now) Those Guns will certainly hurt even if the velocity if more Des Moine like DDs and other ships will suffer because with only 3 tubes I bet many people willl forget they have them unlike the British and Japanese cruisers. Plus a 35knt top speed and Engine boost shes going to be one fast Grand Baguette. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #7 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) French 240 mm guns have less pen than Soviet 220 mm guns Henry IV : Penetration @ 5 / 10 / 15 km : 359 / 266 / 198 mm Moskva : Penetration @ 5 / 10 / 15 km : 496 / 392 / 314 mm Edited March 9, 2017 by Darth_Glorious 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aschwell Players 353 posts 9,681 battles Report post #8 Posted March 9, 2017 (Henry IV) Well the HE chance to set fires 20% is quite impressive. I for sure will be grinding. Question later is though, spec for ROF or range on the guns hmm. Duca seems to be sometihng in between a russian CA guns and a HMS one with the concealment. Though lacks some range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #9 Posted March 9, 2017 French 240 mm guns have less pen than Soviet 220 mm guns Obviously lacking glorious stalinium. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comodoro_Allande Players 2,240 posts 8,469 battles Report post #10 Posted March 9, 2017 Obviously lacking glorious stalinium. Never trust on a hardened baguette from a month ago 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
creamgravy Players 2,780 posts 17,292 battles Report post #11 Posted March 9, 2017 And that HE on the Duca... 7% base fire chance, lol... although the AP might be pretty good... AP is about average, here's a 10km pen comparison. Leander = 118mm Duka = 122mm Budyonny = 138mm Plus a 35knt top speed and Engine boost shes going to be one fast Grand Baguette. I don't think anyone will take speed boost over a heal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #12 Posted March 9, 2017 So the Aosta does get the 1,000m/s AP, that has the potential to be great fun but 14km range puts a downer on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[WG] Killerbin34 WG Staff 260 posts 32,003 battles Report post #13 Posted March 9, 2017 If those penetration figures turn out to be accurate all of the Tier 10 battleships will be immune from Le Grande's citadels at the same range where Moskva and Des Moines can penetrate despite having the biggest guns. Interesting... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Comodoro_Allande Players 2,240 posts 8,469 battles Report post #14 Posted March 9, 2017 I don't think anyone will take speed boost over a heal. They are on separate slots Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aschwell Players 353 posts 9,681 battles Report post #15 Posted March 9, 2017 The thing that worries me the most on the Hnery IV now is concealment tbh. But let´s see how it´s to play when it get´s out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #16 Posted March 9, 2017 The thing that worries me the most on the Hnery IV now is concealment tbh. But let´s see how it´s to play when it get´s out. mh... around Hindenburg levels, which isnt great but workable. what could make this ship really good potentially would be enough bow armour to not get lolpenned (if, say, the 45mm the leak shows for citadel protection extends all the way to the bow) - the deck armour does seem to be there already, at least in some places... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Aschwell Players 353 posts 9,681 battles Report post #17 Posted March 9, 2017 mh... around Hindenburg levels, which isnt great but workable. what could make this ship really good potentially would be enough bow armour to not get lolpenned (if, say, the 45mm the leak shows for citadel protection extends all the way to the bow) - the deck armour does seem to be there already, at least in some places... Yeah let´s hope it´s tanky at least so you can be a bit offensive and get to use torps etc. But that gun reload though, it´s going to be harder to finish off DD´s trying to torp you. Hope it get´s radar in that case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #18 Posted March 9, 2017 Yeah let´s hope it´s tanky at least so you can be a bit offensive and get to use torps etc. But that gun reload though, it´s going to be harder to finish off DD´s trying to torp you. Hope it get´s radar in that case. as if this game needed more radar... The reload is indeed piss poor for a T10 cruiser, for no good reason that I can see when you compare the actual guns with Moskva's... I'd take Stalinium Railguns any day I think (at least just judging by these stats as we see them now ofc, ingame may somehow be different, and/or the ship might receive some changes) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KaraMon Players 4,154 posts 9,221 battles Report post #19 Posted March 9, 2017 Ok a little tip guys so you stop being impressed by this Henri IV that is not bad t8 ship placed at t10 Guns Garbage Terrible penetration Terrible DPM Survivability Not bad , we will see armor model how bad they will make it Maneuverability Very bad Large turning circle Low steering speed AA Bad Concealment Garbage Incoming worst tier 10 cruiser , the speed boost won't help you when you can't make any maneuvers , other t10 cruisers will kill it without issues , destroyers will torp it to death and cariers will just roflstomp on it . And i was hoping that Grozovoi was just an accident but seems like this is new meta "put averge tier 8 ship in tier 10 lets see how it is doing" 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #20 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Ok a little tip guys so you stop being impressed by this Henri IV that is not bad t8 ship placed at t10 Guns Garbage Terrible penetration Terrible DPM Survivability Not bad , we will see armor model how bad they will make it Maneuverability Very bad Large turning circle Low steering speed AA Bad Concealment Garbage Incoming worst tier 10 cruiser , the speed boost won't help you when you can't make any maneuvers , other t10 cruisers will kill it without issues , destroyers will torp it to death and cariers will just roflstomp on it . And i was hoping that Grozovoi was just an accident but seems like this is new meta "put averge tier 8 ship in tier 10 lets see how it is doing" Algerie has the best armour of the entire line Some low tier cruisers have worse armour than DDs Edited March 9, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #21 Posted March 9, 2017 Source : https://sea-group.org/?p=2434&lang=en https://sea-group.org/?p=2438&lang=en Henry IV is Moskva with torps and Engine booster But with no radar which is crucial for Cruisers. I will save free xp in case I find the French cruiser line interesting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Tyrendian89 [TTTX] Players 4,608 posts 8,139 battles Report post #22 Posted March 9, 2017 wait a second - look at the secondaries of Le Grande Baguette. 15rpm with 1800 alpha and 9% base fire chance on 127mm guns? Sure, they're labelled as postwar guns, but if those are anything like what the high tier french DDs will be getting (like Kurfürst secondaries foreshadowed Z46 and Z52 guns for example) then those might potentially be plenty scary... No guarantee of that of course, but hey it might happen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darth_Glorious Beta Tester 2,464 posts Report post #23 Posted March 9, 2017 (edited) Henry IV belt armour thickness is ~2/3 of Algerie one. Edited March 9, 2017 by Darth_Glorious Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OM-S] 0ddys Players 1,878 posts 13,186 battles Report post #24 Posted March 9, 2017 Well they are more or less the guns found on Montana/Midway (frech mounting but they use the same shell). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[UTW] ShinGetsu Weekend Tester, In AlfaTesters 8,985 posts 7,359 battles Report post #25 Posted March 9, 2017 Ok a little tip guys so you stop being impressed by this Henri IV that is not bad t8 ship placed at t10 Guns Garbage Terrible penetration Terrible DPM Survivability Not bad , we will see armor model how bad they will make it Maneuverability Very bad Large turning circle Low steering speed AA Bad Concealment Garbage Incoming worst tier 10 cruiser , the speed boost won't help you when you can't make any maneuvers , other t10 cruisers will kill it without issues , destroyers will torp it to death and cariers will just roflstomp on it . And i was hoping that Grozovoi was just an accident but seems like this is new meta "put averge tier 8 ship in tier 10 lets see how it is doing" Bad DPM ? Worse cruisers ingame ? Okay, so let's stop french bashing stupidly and start being a little less biased, okay ? It has 17.15s reload. With the upgrade, you get 15s. (Because nobody will be stupid enough to take the range when you already have 20km, right ?) 15s ==> 2s longer than Zao. Okay, it is still lower. Then, take a look at the HEs : 22% fire chance, 3400 damage. With 240mm, you get 40mm penetration, which is enough to lolpen most BBs, even the heavily armored ones. With lolfire chance. And 1133 damage per penetration. On the other hands, yeah, the AP lacks penetration. But with their damage and penetration they will be enough to punch big holes on any broadside cruisers. This ship is designed to spam HE, with maybe lower rof, but lolfire chance, and very few shells will not penetrate. If you are sadistic enough to add APHE to the mix, you get 52mm penetration and I think even the best broadside armor can't compare to it... Look at the armor now : 30mm as the lowest, which means it can bowtank a good number of BBs. Only Yamato can penetrate it with the overmatch. As for the maneuverability, it gets the same ruddershift as Moskva, which is indeed quite bad. But it gets 14km base concealment which is A LOT better than the horrible Moskva base concealment. The turning radius is pretty meh, indeed. But that things CAN ACTUALLY BOW-TANK. Add it the concealment, and you can always just wait for it to kick in, do a 180°, and engage the engine boost to get out of there at 39 knots (with Sierra Mike) The torps get a monstrous angle, and they are far from being bad either. The only downside is the number, since there are only 2x3. They are a good addition to the DPM if you ever have to run away or engage at close range, but they clearly can't do as much damage as Minotaur/Hinden/Zao torps. Bad ship ? I really, really don't think so. It's more of a battlecruiser than Moskva actually. It can tanks, it has correct concealment for its size, it has low base DPM but the guns still packs quite the punch, and it's the fastest cruiser ingame. I'd say it is more suited than any other cruiser to fight battleship. And we NEED this kind of cruiser ingame atm. Far more than any new Delete-the-DDs, Lolpen-the-cruisers, eat-planes-for-breakfast cruisers... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
