Premium Camo Theft by Wargaming

[Charger76]

According to this:

 

[–]Sub_Octavian 13 points an hour ago 

The progression transfer is tied to slot, not to ship. So, your previous main line T9 DD (Udaloy) is replaced with the new main line T9 DD (Tashkent). That means everything is transfered to Tashkent, and as a bonus, you get stock Udaloi and stuff.

 

if you have paid 4,000 gold for premium camo on the Udaloi you will no longer have premium cammo on the Udaloi, you will have it on the Trashkent, a completely different ship from the one you paid for it to be on.

 

The 6.2 news says as follows:

 

"

Permanent Camouflage

• If a player had purchased a permanent camouflage for Gnevny (Tier V) before the update release, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Gnevny (Tier VI) and Podvoisky (Tier V) will be added to the player's account as replacements.
• If a player had purchased a permanent camouflage for Ognevoi (Tier VI) before the update release, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Ognevoi (Tier VIII) and Gnevny (Tier VI) will be added to the player's account as replacements.
• If a player had purchased a permanent camouflage for Kiev (Tier VII) before the update release, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Kiev (Tier VIII) and Minsk (Tier VII) will be added to the player's account as replacements.
• If a player had purchased a permanent camouflage for Tashkent (Tier VIII) before the update release, this camouflage will be removed from the player's account; permanent camouflages for Tashkent (Tier IX) and Kiev (Tier VIII) will be added to the player's account as replacements. If a player had only one camouflage for Tashkent (Tier VIII), such a player will receive a corresponding camouflage for Tashkent (Tier IX) and an additional camouflage for Kiev (Tier VIII). If a player had two camouflages for Tashkent (Tier VIII), such a player will receive two camouflages for Tashkent (Tier IX) and one additional camouflage for Kiev (Tier VIII)."

 

No mention of the Udaloi. So you would think that as you have paid for the Udaloi camo and the Udaloi is still in the game that you would keep your permanent camo. Not so seemingly. This amounts to theft.

 

I have premium camo on my Ognevoi, Kiev, Udaloi and Khaba. I like these ships, I was happy to pay to make sialing them a more productive experience.

 

I don't have premium camo on my Trahskent because I don't like it enough or in fact much at all. I regularly think to sell the damn thing. So now WG has decided to rob me of 4,000 gold.

 

Anyone else getting robbed like this? Anyone else want to take WG to task over this? They seem to think they can do as they like and I don't think that EU consumer legislation (which they cannot have you sign away) permits this either.

[XbodzioXplX]

Anyone else getting robbed like this?

 

Only you and your mind.

[ClappingLollies]

Where does it say you don't get to keep it? Pretty sure you will. If you don't get to keep it, contact Wargaming. No point whining about something we do not know. 

[svadilfari]

maybe an oversight? the patch notes regarding compensation are really detailed so maybe they missed it?

[ColonelPete]

Funny that people complain about stuff that did not even happen and they can only assume that it could happen.

 

Less whine, more patience!!

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

just wait and see

[Corvi]

I dont understand the problem. Here is the official statement ..

 

• If a permanent camouflage was mounted on a ship to be replaced, it will remain mounted on this ship and a new permanent camouflage (for the added ship) will be added to the player's account.

[GulvkluderGuld]

Read the first post:

Permanent camos are being copied (doubled). Please read the patch notes before rushing to such conclusions

 

Problem solved

 

[bigbramble]

Look at the shills apologising for WG like they owned the company. People on patched servers are confirming - no camo on Udaloi. That combined with the captain removal amounts to 4500 doubloons of theft. I for one am fuming.

[PotatoTorpedo]

Look at the shills apologising for WG like they owned the company. People on patched servers are confirming - no camo on Udaloi. That combined with the captain removal amounts to 4500 doubloons of theft. I for one am fuming.

 

Fuming is your normal status.  You seem to do a lot of it. FYI: I have premium camo on my Udaloi after the patch. 

[Zombie_Wizard]

You may have to remount the camo, but it should definitely be available on both ships, as stated in the patch notes.

[VeteranGamer84]

In a camo related question. If I sell my ship which had permanent camo, Will I lose my permanent camo? Should I re-buy the camo if I decided to re-purchase the ship?

[Juanx]

In a camo related question. If I sell my ship which had permanent camo, Will I lose my permanent camo? Should I re-buy the camo if I decided to re-purchase the ship?

 

Permanent camos are "permanent", as in if you have the ship, you have the camo, end of. Selling ship does not sell camo.

[VeteranGamer84]

 

Permanent camos are "permanent", as in if you have the ship, you have the camo, end of. Selling ship does not sell camo.

 

Good to know that. Thanks.

[Elenortirion]

I assume OP haven't played mid-high tier IJN DDs eh?

[MrConway]

I dont understand the problem. Here is the official statement ..

 

• If a permanent camouflage was mounted on a ship to be replaced, it will remain mounted on this ship and a new permanent camouflage (for the added ship) will be added to the player's account.

 

Correct, under no circumstances will you lose anything due to the patch but in many cases you will get additional free content added.

 

Please try to inform yourself more clearly before sharpening your pitchforks 

[Takru]

sharpening your pitchforks

 

Doh....

 

[Aotearas]

 

Correct, under no circumstances will you lose anything due to the patch but in many cases you will get additional free content added.

 

Please try to inform yourself more clearly before sharpening your pitchforks 

 

Oh, then why is my Udaloi captain been replaced by a measly 9 skillpoint captain? Sure as hell lost something there ...

[RUSSIANBlAS]

So I could have gained free camo if I bought Udaloi pre patch?

 

Would still have been an 85k xp hit however...

[Damanta]

 

Oh, then why is my Udaloi captain been replaced by a measly 9 skillpoint captain? Sure as hell lost something there ...

 

Because game-engine and techtree wise your Udaloi is not the ship you had before. It's a completely new (and freely given stock) ship with a free 9 point captain.

The Udaloi you knew and used to have is now called Tashkent and now has the captain your old Udaloi had.

 

So you didn't lose anything, you only gained, even if it feels like you didn't, because it's not the way it used to be.

[Aotearas]

Except that my Udaloi captain has to be retrained again if I want to use it and that generous 9 skillpoint captain is not competitive for a tier IX environment (not even a tier IV captain perk).

 

So I lost a captain specialization that I have to retrain with either time, precious elite commander XP or money and a captain that I can't really use on a tier IX ship. The way WG handled it is just an inconvenience. There was no point in railroaded the Udaloi captain to the Tashkent when WG could've just moved the old Tashkent captain to the new one. Udaloi keeps it's captain and I wouldn't have to train it back.

 

I get it that I've gotten a free 9 skillpoint captain. I just don't value it much at all compared to my 16 point captain that's now on a ship where I didn't want it. Or that the Udaloi is suddely completely stock again.

 

The whole compensation plan from WG was utterly illogical from a linear progression point of view. It should've simply replaced ships of the same tier a player had researched/owned and that's it. Giving people a free tier VIII Ognevoi because they had it at tier VI is nonsensical if they didn't already proceed to tier VIII anyway. Having players skip an entire tier is stupid.

 

Player had tier V Gnevny? Gets new Podvoisky, has Gnevny captain retrained for it, done.

Player had tier VI Ognevoi? Gets new Gnevny, has Ognevoi captain retrained for it, done.

Player had tier VII Kiev? Gets new Minsk, has Ognevoi captain retrained for it, done.

Player had tier VIII Tashkent? Gets new Kiev and Ognevoi, gets captain retrained for Kiev and gets a captain for Ognevoi (either cloned captain without captain skills assigned, or arbitrarily skilled captain befitting the tier), done.

Player had tier IX Udaloi? Gets new Tashkent and Udaloi, captain stays on Udaloi and gets new captain for Tashkent, done.

 

No tier skipping, no unwanted captain reshuffling.

[Damanta]

If they had done it linear you'd now have the T9 Tashkent and no Udaloi. As the Tashkent is the techship in the position of the old Udaloi.

[piet11111]

Hmm i don't know i think i saw Mr.Conway loitering suspiciously around my harbor gotta keep an eye on that ruffian before he runs off with precious camo's or my port sluts.

[Aotearas]

If they had done it linear you'd now have the T9 Tashkent and no Udaloi. As the Tashkent is the techship in the position of the old Udaloi.

 

I meant linear as in no sudden jump in tiers.

 

The fact that, with the way this split has been handled, people can play tier VIII without ever having unlocked the tier VII is ludicrous.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

Buying the free XP to unlock the Udaloi upgrades is cheaper than getting the Perm camo, especially if you wait for an x35 offer. Although that still involves spending what you shouldn't have to.

 

Udalio plays the same so to say Trashkan replaces her is laughable. Defensive AA is a slight buff but it hardly makes it a new ship and doesn't justify the 85k you need to grind nor the pain games retraining the captain.