Unlikely future premium ships (feel free to post wishes)

[SmartassNoob]

We all know about the popular ships they'll never add due to their refusal to do it:

• Ise-class hybrid BB/CV ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise-class_battleship ). Nearly identical to Fuso, but the rear 2 turrets were removed and replaced with a flight deck.
• Kitakami, the ultimate torpedo boat ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Kitakami ). This already existed in the game but was removed for being extremely powerful. Basically it could launch some medium two-digit number of torpedoes from at least 6 launchers.
• Tone-class cruiser ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone-class_cruiser ). Should be tier 7. Specialty: Equipped with a whole squadron of fighters to help protect carriers, or something. I've heard talk of this ship, but it's allegedly "too difficult to balance", so they gave up trying.

 

But of the ships we know are possible, which ones are still even remotely interesting and unlikely to ever be made?

 

I've been digging around at wikipedia and found a few. Their most common flaws are that they're exactly between existing tier levels.

• Delaware-class BB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware-class_battleship ). 5 turrets with odd positions. Would fit between tiers 3 and 4.
• Florida-class BB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida-class_battleship ). Nearly identical to the above.
• Nevada-class BB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada-class_battleship ). 4 turrets with a mix of 2 and 3 guns. Would fit somewhere between tiers 5 and 6.
• South Dakota-class BB (1920) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota-class_battleship_(1920) ). 4 turrets with 3 guns each. This was laid down but cancelled. Would fit between tiers 7 and 8. Basically a super New Mexico.
• Alaska-class battlecruiser (officially a "large cruiser" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska-class_cruiser ). Looks very similar to the Iowa, but is about 1/5 smaller and armed with 305 mm guns. Obviously a tier 10 ship.
• Musashi ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Musashi ). Yamato-class BB, but with a different secondary armament. It had much less AA guns, but two more of the large secondary turrets. Obviously there can be no sane reason to downgrade it to tier 9, but could you imagine the price of a tier 10 premium ship? I'm not saying it's impossible to do it by making it available in some odd way (like the Missouri is available under unusual circumstances), but as the thread title says, it's just unlikely.

[mr3awsome]

Alaska is quite a contentious ship, with opinions split between two camps. 

One wants her to be a tier X cruiser. 

The other wants her to be a mid-high tier (VI-VII) battleship. 

[VC381]

HMS Repulse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Repulse_(1916)) - I would really, really want this one but I fear it will fall between the cracks with her modernised sister being more likely as a silver ship (if the class exists at all, my money is on a pure BB line initially) while her more famous successor (Hood) would steal the premium spot.

 

HMS Courageous (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Courageous_(50)) in battlecruiser form - completely wacky and probably impossible to balance right.

 

I'm in the T10 cruiser camp for Alaska in principle, but that also means we will probably never see her. If they made her a T7 BB there would be weirdness in balancing her but then at lest we would have her in some form.

[SmartassNoob]

Alaska would be too technologically advanced (radar, excellent AA guns, long range guns, probably relatively fast reload) to fight mid-tier BBs. Really it would be nice if the game distinguised battlecruisers as a thing. As a cruiser it should be tier 11. As a battlecruiser, maybe tier 7? Keep in mind that Amagi is actually a battlecruiser too.

 

So yeah, it's probably a tier 11 cruiser.

[El2aZeR]

• Kitakami, the ultimate torpedo boat ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Kitakami ). This already existed in the game but was removed for being extremely powerful.

 

I thought Kitakami was removed and replaced by Atago because she was worthless? That was my impression of her anyway. I for one don't remember a single game in which a Kita had good impact on the game.

 

Anyway:

Benham-class USN DD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benham-class_destroyer

Only 4 guns but hilarious torp power with 4x4 tubes. 0.1 kn slower than Benson at 37.9 kn. I'd place her at T8 or 9.

 

Somers-class USN DD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somers-class_destroyer

4x2 guns (not DP tho) and 3x4 tubes. Speed clocks in at 38.6 kn. More engine, gun and torp power than Gearing in exchange for anemic AA. Considering the scarcity of high tier CVs this ship would easily render Gearing obsolete if given the same or even slightly worse stealth values. T10 obviously.

[Webley_Mark]

HMS Repulse (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Repulse_(1916)) - I would really, really want this one but I fear it will fall between the cracks with her modernised sister being more likely as a silver ship (if the class exists at all, my money is on a pure BB line initially) while her more famous successor (Hood) would steal the premium spot.

 

And... i'm sitting here, waiting for the Hood...

 

I'm strarting to believe that she is an unlikely premium.

[Exocet6951]

 

I thought Kitakami was removed and replaced by Atago because she was worthless? That was my impression of her anyway. I for one don't remember a single game in which a Kita had good impact on the game.

 

 

I remember her being worthless in the hands of a potato, even downright harmful to the team.

 

But in good hands? 40 (unnerfed) torpedoes in the water hurt. A LOT.

I saw more than one Kita absolutely crush BBs and CAs alike in the opening minutes, leading to a instant numerical superiority. It was rare, most just spammed torps like morons then got quintuple citpens. Kuma in tier8 after all, RIP.

[Gnirf]

We all know about the popular ships they'll never add due to their refusal to do it:

• Ise-class hybrid BB/CV ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ise-class_battleship ). Nearly identical to Fuso, but the rear 2 turrets were removed and replaced with a flight deck.
• Kitakami, the ultimate torpedo boat ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cruiser_Kitakami ). This already existed in the game but was removed for being extremely powerful. Basically it could launch some medium two-digit number of torpedoes from at least 6 launchers.
• Tone-class cruiser ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tone-class_cruiser ). Should be tier 7. Specialty: Equipped with a whole squadron of fighters to help protect carriers, or something. I've heard talk of this ship, but it's allegedly "too difficult to balance", so they gave up trying.

 

But of the ships we know are possible, which ones are still even remotely interesting and unlikely to ever be made?

 

I've been digging around at wikipedia and found a few. Their most common flaws are that they're exactly between existing tier levels.

• Delaware-class BB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delaware-class_battleship ). 5 turrets with odd positions. Would fit between tiers 3 and 4.
• Florida-class BB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida-class_battleship ). Nearly identical to the above.
• Nevada-class BB ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevada-class_battleship ). 4 turrets with a mix of 2 and 3 guns. Would fit somewhere between tiers 5 and 6.
• South Dakota-class BB (1920) ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Dakota-class_battleship_(1920) ). 4 turrets with 3 guns each. This was laid down but cancelled. Would fit between tiers 7 and 8. Basically a super New Mexico.
• Alaska-class battlecruiser (officially a "large cruiser" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alaska-class_cruiser ). Looks very similar to the Iowa, but is about 1/5 smaller and armed with 305 mm guns. Obviously a tier 10 ship.
• Musashi ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_battleship_Musashi ). Yamato-class BB, but with a different secondary armament. It had much less AA guns, but two more of the large secondary turrets. Obviously there can be no sane reason to downgrade it to tier 9, but could you imagine the price of a tier 10 premium ship? I'm not saying it's impossible to do it by making it available in some odd way (like the Missouri is available under unusual circumstances), but as the thread title says, it's just unlikely.

 

Musashi would be easy to fit in t9 if they slow down the RPM say 38 sec or something, reduced the AA. Historically the 18 inchers to max elevavation had slow reload, time to elevate the barrels and depress them took long time, the speedy yamato reload is not accurate when firing at long distances. However I consider it far mor likely that they make her at T10.

 

 

 

In your long list I would like to see Lexington as BC, 10-14 35 kts with extremely poor armour at T6 with 7 funnels or the version w 8-16 33 kts at T7 which was started. This is of course variants with poor AA to fitat T6 and T7 like Mutsu.

 

 

Many of your other early US BBs are more of the same, I would like some departure=Speed

[SmartassNoob]

Musashi already had way inferior AA guns (much less of them). There's no need to invent a further AA downgrade. Unless it had even less when it was built, because I'm pretty sure they were both upgraded a bit in 1944. The Yamato we see in the game is a result of the 1944 AA overhaul.

 

 

Many of your other early US BBs are more of the same, I would like some departure=Speed

Then give us more examples.

 

I've seen some battlecruisers of the time, but they normally had such weak firepower in comparison to battleships that I'm not sure why they even bothered to build them. That's why they don't interest me. Can you imagine the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Courageous_(50) that someone mentioned above? Only 2 turrets with 2 guns each. What was that ship suppose to be able to do? It was probably about as useful as the Pocket Battleship, except faster.

[Gnirf]

Musashi already had way inferior AA guns (much less of them). There's no need to invent a further AA downgrade. Unless it had even less when it was built, because I'm pretty sure they were both upgraded a bit in 1944. The Yamato we see in the game is a result of the 1944 AA overhaul.

 

 

Then give us more examples.

 

I've seen some battlecruisers of the time, but they normally had such weak firepower in comparison to battleships that I'm not sure why they even bothered to build them. That's why they don't interest me. Can you imagine the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Courageous_(50) that someone mentioned above? Only 2 turrets with 2 guns each. What was that ship suppose to be able to do? It was probably about as useful as the Pocket Battleship, except faster.

 

Thats the reason for the Lexington BCs was built, that the DDscould not scout. There ist a interesting article about the process behind the ships in a Warship yearbook.

[VC381]

The low number of guns on Courageous is only a problem in the context of BB dispersion in game. If she had cruiser dispersion and sigma she would be utterly deadly.

 

It's very easy to say X ship should be Y tier looking at it in RL, or even give up and say it can't be balanced, but WG have shown they are willing to tweak a lot of things. In some cases the same ship could be balanced at different tiers or even as a completely different ship type depending on these choices. Alaska is not straight up stronger than Moskva for example, it's actually smaller for a start. Scharnhorst is fine as a BB with her even smaller guns. Anything can be done.

[Exocet6951]

Any sort of monitor.

 

Probably more of a reward ship of some kind.

Hilariously inefficient, quasi-pointless, a footnote in History, but damn...such large guns on such small ships :'D 

Unlikely to happen, but that's what this thread about anyways.

 

 

Also, the Surcouf.

Yes it's technically a submarine, and it would set bad precedents, but there's a charm in having an unarmored ship with twin 203s at low tiers, with a very small detection radius.

[El2aZeR]

Any sort of monitor.

 

Speaking of monitors...

"What do you mean I can't have an 18" gun on my CV?!" 

 

(HMS Furious, partially converted)

[Exocet6951]

 

Speaking of monitors...

"What do you mean I can't have an 18" gun on my CV?!" 

 

(HMS Furious, partially converted)

 

Slap on a top down view for the aiming, and you'll have people with tortches and pitchforks out for blood, comparing CVs to WoT arty and demanding that the "sky disease affecting different organs of the human body" be removed at once 

[VC381]

200% would buy a Furious in that configuration

 

[Exocet6951]

200% would buy a Furious in that configuration

 

Same.

 

I swear that if it were released, I would have a jar in which I put some coins in for every spout rage directed at me.

And I'd have that jar on a ****ing live stream every time I played it 

[mtm78]

Kitakami, the ultimate torpedo boat ( https://en.wikipedia...ruiser_Kitakami ). This already existed in the game but was removed for being extremely powerful. Basically it could launch some medium two-digit number of torpedoes from at least 6 launchers.

 

I thought Kitakami was removed and replaced by Atago because she was worthless? That was my impression of her anyway. I for one don't remember a single game in which a Kita had good impact on the game.

 

Kitakami was removed because it is still the single ship in the game with the highest amount of team kills. 

 

And yeah, it could not stealth torps, and anytime a Kita was visible EVERYONE ( with a brain ) would focus the crap out of it. 

 

Alaska is quite a contentious ship, with opinions split between two camps. 

One wants her to be a tier X cruiser. 

The other wants her to be a mid-high tier (VI-VII) battleship. 

 

I'm fine with either as long as the ship is balanced properly and fun to play

[SmartassNoob]

@mtm78 Weird that the Kitakami was removed for that (if that indeed is why it was removed). It seems to have been the one ship that could at high tiers go on a yolo-rush and take out half the enemy team in 2 minutes. Imagine a group of high-end BBs approaching some islands and then this pops up. Unless they blow it away immediately, they're all doomed. This would work even better if a DD went directly ahead at high speed and left a trail of smoke. The BBs and other cruisers would never see it coming until it's too late.

 

@HMS Furious. That would actually be pretty epic. Trouble is that that ship would have so few planes that it would be useless and it's not like you could protect yourself from a DD with only one extra slow gun. I guess I'd place that into tier 3.

[mtm78]

It seems to have been the one ship that could at high tiers go on a yolo-rush and take out half the enemy team in 2 minutes.

 

Imagine a Kuma in a tier X. yolo rush usually ended in seconds. Wanted Kita to be effective, you needed a DD to smoke you into range. Which you indeed said, but yeah... teamwork in WoWs isn't THAT common ;)

[Plaztma]

I have to say Blücher, not that its needed since there are allready 2 Hipper-Class cruisers in game, but I was sailing over it so many times when younger. You could see the oil on the surface when sailing over its wet grave in the Oslo fjord. They emptied its fuelltanks in 1994 and sold the 1100 tonns of oil after cleaning it ( ze germans didnt get a dime

If they are nice enough to release this ship it would need something special, how about secondary module that gives you the posibility to manually shoot the secondaries?

[SmartassNoob]

If they are nice enough to release this ship it would need something special, how about secondary module that gives you the posibility to manually shoot the secondaries?

 

If this module ever makes it into the game, the Mikasa should be first in line to get it. ...along with another researchable module that increases secondary gun range by 100%.

[GeorgeT1012_gt]

Most, I would like to see Japanese battlecruiser/fast battleship Haruna as she realy was in 1945. Looks like a T6 with a very powerful secondary battery (16x6inch guns, 12x 5 inch guns), half a knot faster than Kongo in game because she was capable of more than 30 knots, very powerful AA (108x25mm AA guns + dual purpose 5 inch guns), maybe a radar consumable for extra historical acuracy (Haruna had actualy radar placed in late 1944), more armor (it was added in 1943 refit) and all that at the trade of 4x14inch gus that other battleships of this tier have and a lower caliber than battleships with a similar number of main guns. Though unlikely to appear in the near future, she could be balanced and put in the game.

 

I would also like to see at tier 4 a Sendai class light cruiser-possibly Naka at her 1943 configuration, she would be very similar to Kuma in playstyle. Aircraft carriers Akagi (I saw a teaser of Kaga so I think she will be added sometime), Graf Zeppelin, Soryu, Unryu, Shinano and Enterprise would also be nice. USS Wocrcester would be a nice counterpart to T10 Minotaur, but a little bit more powerful. Finaly, Helenic Navy armored cruiser Georgios Averof would be an intresting low tier premium of the pre-Dreadnought era, maybe at tier 3.

[GhostRiderMax123]

How about HMS Incomparable

 

[Affeks]

Any hybrid carrier or aviation cruiser really. Ise, Tone or Oyodo to be more specific.

 

Other than that I would really like to see an Agano-class ship designed in game closer to a DD than an actual light cruiser, considering the torpedo armament and layout was very similar to Destroyers. That is more of a far flung wish, but I want it anyways.

 

Most of all I would like to see any of the following following small caliber battlecruiser/large cruiser/super cruiser:

Alaska

B-65/Super A type cruiser

Stalingrad

Kronstadt (305mm version)

Project 1047

 

Large cruisers are my obsession, they all blur the line between cruiser and battleship very well considering how lightly armored they are despite their size. Aside from Stalingrad (which I can only really see be a tier 9-10 ship), these are all easy to place within the tech trees since WG already set Scharnhorst as the standard. 

 

 

I also like me some conventional ships: Wichita, Maya, Worcester, Ibuki (light carrier), Shinano, Richelieu, Roma, Haruna (1945), Vanguard etc etc etc

 

 

 

tl;dr There are too many ships I want in the game for various reasons.. I cant decide on one, two or even 10 favourites...

[SmartassNoob]

We're going to have several of those. It's definitely only a matter of time until we'll get Richelieu, Roma, Vanguard and possibly also a Shinano. Just like once they'll get around to adding more soviet ships, they'll definitely add a Stalingrad.