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A reminder that a nation with a fine naval tradition - the Netherlands - still has no ship in WoWS, while at the same time plans are going ahead to split the Russian DD line to get even MORE Russian ships in the game.

 

Since Russian ships were introduced to the game, I have played them more than any other nation. In real life, I have positive attitudes towards Russia, as a country. I only mention this to show that i do not have an anti-Russian bias. Far from it! But even I am getting sick of the Russian bias from Wargaming.

 

Dutch / Italian / French lines...now! :izmena:


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I should have posted in off-topic but then Hans might miss it :hiding:

 

And I wouldn't claim the game should have Dutch before more fleshed out RN / IT / FR line's, but yes we should be included for sure. The Battle of the Java Sea was the biggest naval engagement since Jutland. 

 

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Also I would really <3 to see the reenactment or at least see the ships depart from NL. Sail Amsterdam ( went a couple of times ) were some of my most memorable day trips, just seeing all those tall ships is awesome for someone who grown up watching pirate movies on the t.v. and finding Sid Meiers Pirates! the best game ever :)

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Sail AMSTERDAM?! Now you're moving on slippery territoriet MTM.You may redeem yourself if you mention de Wereldhaven Dagen! (((-;


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Sorry man I a proud Noord-Holland inhabitant ( I also remember going to De Meer... in the 'good old days' ) :trollface:

 

edit: Also, I did mention the age of sail ships right, and while Rotterdam should be proud on it's harbor most tall ship events are not held there :hiding:

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Oh you broke a straight snaied Rotterdamert's heart there!!! Hahaha!


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A reminder that a nation with a fine naval tradition - the Netherlands - still has no ship in WoWS, while at the same time plans are going ahead to split the Russian DD line to get even MORE Russian ships in the game.

 

Since Russian ships were introduced to the game, I have played them more than any other nation. In real life, I have positive attitudes towards Russia, as a country. I only mention this to show that i do not have an anti-Russian bias. Far from it! But even I am getting sick of the Russian bias from Wargaming.

 

Dutch / Italian / French lines...now! :izmena:

 

Neither does Croatia...

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Smartest thing the English ever did was invite the Dutch Prince of Orange over to take their throne.  Instantly the biggest threat to the Royal Navy became an ally.


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wahhhh (My home of _______________<---------- insert country here doesn't have a tech tree).  In other news, water is wet. No, the Netherlands is not that important to have its own tech tree.  End.


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Neither does Croatia...

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When WG introduce italian cruisers, just take the Zara and rename her via mods Zadar :trollface:

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wahhhh (My home of _______________<---------- insert country here doesn't have a tech tree).  In other news, water is wet. No, the Netherlands is not that important to have its own tech tree.  End.

 

Cut the attitude, since you seem to have missed the point of the thread. The Dutch don't have enough for a tech tree, but they can have more than enough premiums, or those potentially unlock-able by free XP. 

 

Either way, since Medway (Chavham etc.) happens to be 20-30 mins down the road from me, please stop sending your ships here, it worries me. :hiding:


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Cut the attitude, since you seem to have missed the point of the thread. The Dutch don't have enough for a tech tree, but they can have more than enough premiums, or those potentially unlock-able by free XP. 

 

Either way, since Medway (Chavham etc.) happens to be 20-30 mins down the road from me, please stop sending your ships here, it worries me. :hiding:

 

by that logic then every country should get a premium because someone has feels? No.  sorry. with exception of a couple of DDs the Dutch navy ships were outdated and irrelevant unless you want low tier premiums.  "The Dutch Navy at the beginning of the war with Germany in May 1940, consisted of 1 coastal defence ship, 5 cruisers, 9 destroyers, 27 submarines, 4 gun boats, 6 minelayers and other smaller vessels."  you want a premium minesweeper? :teethhappy:

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Waaah, my home of Germany here doesn't have a CV tech line :)

 


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by that logic then every country should get a premium because someone has feels? No.  sorry. with exception of a couple of DDs the Dutch navy ships were outdated and irrelevant unless you want low tier premiums.  "The Dutch Navy at the beginning of the war with Germany in May 1940, consisted of 1 coastal defence ship, 5 cruisers, 9 destroyers, 27 submarines, 4 gun boats, 6 minelayers and other smaller vessels."  you want a premium minesweeper? :teethhappy:

 

No. But the Dutch are fairly relevant to the game, and I would not bet against at least one premium appearing this year or the next. Of course France & Italy first, but the Dutch have more right/relevance to be in the game than that Pan-Asia tree that is rumoured.

 

And while De Ruyter, Java & Tromp may not make it past tier 4/5, the Admiralen class can manage tier 6, Isaac Sweers & Gerald Callenburgh at tier 7 etc. And that is not counting the DDs transferred from the RN. You can also have a Dutch carrier as well, courtesy of the RN. And WGs balancing department is perfectly capable of differentiating them from a simple RN clone with Stroopwafels. Oh, and you have the designs which you can use, like 1047, Dutch Scharnhorst at tier 6 due to less armour. Or their Dreadnought design from 1913. 

 

You don't really have a clue on what you are talking about though. Feels has nothing to do with it. Battles fought and design processes do. As well as having new content. The Dutch have a fairly extensive array of potential premium vessels, it is just unfortunate that they have no designs that suit the top tiers, which would reduce the point of a tech tree. Unless you either cut the trees short, or make stuff up like Roon & Hindenberg. 

 

 


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by that logic then every country should get a premium because someone has feels? No.  sorry. with exception of a couple of DDs the Dutch navy ships were outdated and irrelevant unless you want low tier premiums.  "The Dutch Navy at the beginning of the war with Germany in May 1940, consisted of 1 coastal defence ship, 5 cruisers, 9 destroyers, 27 submarines, 4 gun boats, 6 minelayers and other smaller vessels."  you want a premium minesweeper? :teethhappy:

 

so you say russian navy was relevant? or was it just feelings that got her the half line of imaginary ships...

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wahhhh (My home of _______________<---------- insert country here doesn't have a tech tree).  In other news, water is wet. No, the Netherlands is not that important to have its own tech tree.  End.

 

This wasn't about ' we don't have a tech tree yet boo hoo ' this is about Medway in flames, a reenactment of the Battle of the Medway 350 years ago where the Dutch navy attacked the home base of the Royal Navy and changed history. 

 

But yes, the Dutch DO deserve to be in the game, as said before The Battle of the Java Sea was the biggest naval engagement at the time since Jutland and we have some very interesting ships to put in the game, Isaac Sweers imo the one who should be added first ( nothing to do with me being in <3 with Blys, and Sweers being pretty close to that I imagine in playstyle .... nothing to do with that at all I tell you :hiding: ).

 

Either way, since Medway (Chavham etc.) happens to be 20-30 mins down the road from me, please stop sending your ships here, it worries me. :hiding:

 

Not making any promises :trollface:

 

No. But the Dutch are fairly relevant to the game, and I would not bet against at least one premium appearing this year or the next. Of course France & Italy first, but the Dutch have more right/relevance to be in the game than that Pan-Asia tree that is rumoured.

 

And while De Ruyter, Java & Tromp may not make it past tier 4/5, the Admiralen class can manage tier 6, Isaac Sweers & Gerald Callenburgh at tier 7 etc. And that is not counting the DDs transferred from the RN. You can also have a Dutch carrier as well, courtesy of the RN. And WGs balancing department is perfectly capable of differentiating them from a simple RN clone with Stroopwafels. Oh, and you have the designs which you can use, like 1047, Dutch Scharnhorst at tier 6 due to less armour. Or their Dreadnought design from 1913. 

 

You don't really have a clue on what you are talking about though. Feels has nothing to do with it. Battles fought and design processes do. As well as having new content. The Dutch have a fairly extensive array of potential premium vessels, it is just unfortunate that they have no designs that suit the top tiers, which would reduce the point of a tech tree. Unless you either cut the trees short, or make stuff up like Roon & Hindenberg. 

 

Thank you, +1. 


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...and finding Sid Meiers Pirates! the best game ever :)

Totally with you on that one... and ahem.


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That tittle is misleading, that is the one where you have to ... dance... with grills instead of just beating the other guy with a sword to win their hand... :hiding:

 

The real Pirates! is from Sid Meiers and not from Firaxis, It can even be extended to include Pirates! Gold which offers real VGA graphics! But not the 2004 'remake'. 

 

https://www.gog.com/game/pirates_gold_plus


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Some typical English wartime humor here:

 

On 14 December 1941 a Dutch minelayer named after Jan van Brakel, which was serving as a convoy escort on the UK eastern coast, accidentally hit the anchor buoy of one of the gate vessels which were protecting the entrance to the Medway during World War II. The commander reported this incident to the port authorities, signalling: "Van Brakel damaged boom defence Medway". The instant reply was: "What, again?".


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Of course the Dutch should have at least a partial tech tree in game, a fine seafaring nation. But no, again, we get more made up Russian things. Because they are so well known for their Navy.


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as said before The Battle of the Java Sea was the biggest naval engagement at the time since Jutland 

 

I disagree, in terms of ships involved and their size.

The Battle of the Java Sea's order of battle comes up to 32 vessels, the biggest of which, we should say, was a heavy cruiser.

One year and a half before, the Battle of Punta Stilo (or off Calabria, as you want) did involve up to 70 ships from both parties, including one aircraft carrier and five battleships.

 

Of course, Java Sea was much more decisive, but if Jutland is our meter, decisiveness of the engagement may not be the most important factor... :rolleyes:

 

In any case, let me be clear that I do support the idea of Dutch ships in-game, even more than a few premiums (I'd be totally in favour of a line inside a mixed tree). They deserve it, among other things also for what they showed at Java Sea.


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In any case, let me be clear that I do support the idea of Dutch ships in-game, even more than a few premiums (I'd be totally in favour of a line inside a mixed tree). They deserve it, among other things also for what they showed at Java Sea.

 

+1

 

It would be a great mark of respect to the sailors who lost their ships and their lives in that battle.

Let us not forget that evil b@stards motivated only by greed & profit have destroyed their war graves.

 


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+1

 

It would be a great mark of respect to the sailors who lost their ships and their lives in that battle.

Let us not forget that evil b@stards motivated only by greed & profit have destroyed their war graves.

 

I don't want to sound bitter, but... in this and in other games (like the tank one) I might have used the same example (lives lost) for the Italians, with no effect.

Apparently, shedding blood is not an appropriate measure with which you deserve to be represented in this games or not. Or maybe, the nationality of the blood, despite it being of the same color, does have an impact.


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I see high-tier ships as well as a possibility. How about the post-war HNLMS De Ruyter and Zeven Provinciën, or the Friesland class?

 

As for the raid on the Medway: I'm curious about the vid, but terrible internet connection at the moment. Will give it a try this evening. The first combat action of the Dutch marines!


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