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Grozovoi or new Khabarovsk?

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I cant make up my mind regarding this upcoming choice

Initialy i wanted to try the gunboat so Khaba was the ultimate choice at that time but then new soviet DD line emerged and there will be new kid in town, the Grozovoi

and im puzzled now because i dont know whether i would like to take more supportive than selfish ship

 

Grozo has

  • 6 instead of 8 guns which are the same
  • faster but slightly weaker torps with slightly less range
  • Slower but more maneuverable
  • but it has AA which puts minotaur behind (when having def AA on)

 

Im slightly inclined towards the Grozo for couple reasons:

  • I like gunboat playstyle but not so much that i would focus on that - With Grozo, you have torps, you have guns which are still decent and you have AA which you can apply on any part of the map to help your team, not mentioning cheeky CV's who harass DDat the caps
  • AA skills (AFT and BFT) are not wasted in the build since they cover also main batery

 

I have this build which might focus on broadening the scope/strenghts of the ship:

http://shipcomrade.com/captcalc/1000000000000011000010100000110019

PT - lot of time spoted, good to see whether to heavily focus on evasive movements or when you are being ignored

LS - just not to get screwed by being hit-since you will get hit often

DE - to ensure you start some fires as you have 2 guns less and even base chance is 8%, shooting fully upgraded/skilled BB puts it to half in reality

full AA spec o buff AA and range/dps of main guns

 

i miss Concealment expert which i dont know whether it is good decision. Reason why im trying to exclude it is the fact you will get spoted one way or another. Gunning is guaranteed to get you spoted and contesting caps is same story where you always get spoted first byt other DDs

 

 alternative might be dumping DE and geting concealment... cant decide

 

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Mmmhhhh, Khaba still sounds so much better to me. There are not so many CVs on t10 battles and most of those are T8. It's looks they take away much and give weak stuff to new T10. 

 

It's allways depends on gamestyle but reading your POV I would suggest you USN DDs hands down. Russians are pure gunboats. 

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Khaba with heal and 40k potential healthpool.

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 alternative might be dumping DE and geting concealment... cant decide

 

I still go for Full concealment on my high tier RU DDs.. Means I can get a little closer to those Stealth IJN and USN DDs before they spot me... Take no concealment on the Khabarovsk. A fully stealth-ed Shima can see you 4km before you see him.. Take stealth config that drops to 2km.. you have a much greater chance of jumping him and taking him out. With the new DD that drops to 1km it douse not give the Shima much time to notice you and do something about it before you see him

 

View Postkfa, on 21 February 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

Khaba with heal and 40k potential healthpool.

How do you get 40K health pool? Khaba has 22.5k so max you can get is 26K.. Or am i missing something?

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I haven't had a chance to play on the test server yet, but can the Grozo reasonably stealth torp ? ie: with a 1km margin, none of that "has a 0.3km stealth torp/margin" that's impossible to uphold in practice.

 

If so, the Grozo will always be a compromise so less good than a gunboat at gunboating, but with other valuable attributes.

If it can't, then the Grozo is just inferior. Period.

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the Grozovois guns are better than Khabas guns

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The Khabarovsk has the main advantage in her armor plating that makes her strong against even cruiser HE. I don't think the Grozovoi has that advantage whilst not being that much smaller and quite a bit slower. The Grozevoi has absurd AA, but then there are plenty of ships with that in the game right now considering how weak carriers have gotten towards high tiered AA. I can't think of many reasons to prefer her over the Udaloi or even the Z-52.

 

Edit: I should state that I am a rather poor destroyer player, but those are my thoughts on the matter.

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I still go for Full concealment on my high tier RU DDs.. Means I can get a little closer to those Stealth IJN and USN DDs before they spot me... Take no concealment on the Khabarovsk. A fully stealth-ed Shima can see you 4km before you see him.. Take stealth config that drops to 2km..

well, let me elaborate on this, example Shima vs Kha

if they both take CE skill and concealment equipment, it is worse for Kha

better for Kha is to take Aquisition module insetead of conc module

34ydv9u.png

difference is 1,97km vs 1,65

 

the Grozovois guns are better than Khabas guns

i dont see much difference than lower range compared to Kha and bit faster shell (for Groz)

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I still go for Full concealment on my high tier RU DDs.. Means I can get a little closer to those Stealth IJN and USN DDs before they spot me... Take no concealment on the Khabarovsk. A fully stealth-ed Shima can see you 4km before you see him.. Take stealth config that drops to 2km.. you have a much greater chance of jumping him and taking him out. With the new DD that drops to 1km it douse not give the Shima much time to notice you and do something about it before you see him

 

How do you get 40K health pool? Khaba has 22.5k so max you can get is 26K.. Or am i missing something?

 

potential/relative HP

 

22.5k unmodified

Repair party can heal up to 14% of that = 3150

maximum of 4 times per game = 4*3150 = 12 600

+SE = 3500

 

22.500 + 3500+12600 = 38600

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well, let me elaborate on this, example Shima vs Kha

if they both take CE skill and concealment equipment, it is worse for Kha

better for Kha is to take Aquisition module insetead of conc module

34ydv9u.png

difference is 1,97km vs 1,65

 

i dont see much difference than lower range compared to Kha and bit faster shell (for Groz)

Your analysis and pic are confusing.

 

Shima concealment full specced is: 7.56*0.9 (Captain skill) * 0.97 (Camo) * 0.9 (module)= ~5.939

 

Target Aquisition System Modification 1, which you are referring to, does not change anything about this. You will not spot a Shima unless you are within 5.939km of her.(if she doesn't fire main guns, AA or is on fire)

What that Module does:

- increases the maximum Aquisition range (the white cone) which determines if a ship gets rendered on your screen or just on the minimap.

- increases the assured aquisition range (proxy spotting range) which is 2km for every ship to 3km for your ship

- increases the torpedo aquisition for enemy torpedoes (+20%)

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Your analysis and pic are confusing.

 

Shima concealment full specced is: 7.56*0.9 (Captain skill) * 0.97 (Camo) * 0.9 (module)= ~5.939

 

Target Aquisition System Modification 1, which you are referring to, does not change anything about this. You will not spot a Shima unless you are within 5.939km of her.(if she doesn't fire main guns, AA or is on fire)

What that Module does:

- increases the maximum Aquisition range (the white cone) which determines if a ship gets rendered on your screen or just on the minimap.

- increases the assured aquisition range (proxy spotting range) which is 2km for every ship to 3km for your ship

- increases the torpedo aquisition for enemy torpedoes (+20%)

"+20% to spotting range" for me means that your 5.939 will get 7.1268

*i didnt count with camo paint but thats just slight diffrence

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"+20% to spotting range" for me means that your 5.939 will get 7.1268

*i didnt count with camo paint but thats just slight diffrence

 

Yes that is indeed a confusing and bad module description.

But it is not completely wrong. If the ships is outside your maximum aquisition you cannot spot it (Cyclone is a good example where this can be seen, but here the module loses the effect)

But it does what I described above. It does not affect the concealment values of enemy ships.

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i dont see much difference than lower range compared to Kha and bit faster shell (for Groz)

Range isn't tied to the guns the shells of the Grozovoi are actually much faster than Khabas and have much better penetration well you havn't played that ship so you cant juge that so do I but just from just raw stats the Grozovois guns are better

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Range isn't tied to the guns the shells of the Grozovoi are actually much faster than Khabas and have much better penetration well you havn't played that ship so you cant juge that so do I but just from just raw stats the Grozovois guns are better

is it then something with the shell arc? because if not, then i dont see bigger difference between 900 and 950m/s

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potential/relative HP

 

22.5k unmodified

Repair party can heal up to 14% of that = 3150

maximum of 4 times per game = 4*3150 = 12 600

+SE = 3500

 

22.500 + 3500+12600 = 38600

 

May he doesn't know.

WG probally will give Khaba the option to choose between Smoke or Heal consumable.

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Not like I play DDs that much, but I saw Flamu's video about the AA of that new thing. I also saw on reddit that this year WG seems to plan to remove alt attacks for CVs in tiers 4 and 5 to prevent sealclubbing. Which leaves the good players at tier 6 and 7, where AA starts to be a problem for them, or return again at tiers 8-10 where the good CVs are, but again against insane AA ships, and now even with DDs that can brutally murder your planes.

 

As for the question of Khaba or Grozovoi, both seem fine to me. I've only seen Khaba against me, haven't played it but it's a powerful DD if it catches you broadside, even if you're a BB. And Grozovoi from the reviews looks like a good choice for the DD players that hate being hunted down by CVs. Also a nice AA screen for other DDs that can protect them from planes scouting for them.

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Offtopic:

does WoWs have special events to discount for example to redistribute captain skills? i think i will dump DE for CE as the real difference(for DE) is minimal

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is it then something with the shell arc? because if not, then i dont see bigger difference between 900 and 950m/s

 

its actually a huge difference and yes Grozovoi has flatter arcs propably the best DD guns in game right now

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the Grozovois guns are better than Khabas guns

 

Much less range , 6 guns vs 8 guns . A bit higher damage on Grozovoi but it does not matter that much when Kebab can just zip around and don't care and Grozovois is big , not so fast and not very agile.

 

 

Decision is simple

 

You want badass god of destruction spreading flames, hatred and feeding on Bbaby tears go for Khaba

 

 

 

You want support / escort ship go for Grozovoi .

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potential/relative HP

 

22.5k unmodified

Repair party can heal up to 14% of that = 3150

maximum of 4 times per game = 4*3150 = 12 600

+SE = 3500

 

22.500 + 3500+12600 = 38600

 

ARRRR ok know i get you!!! thought you ment before healing..

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I thought another nerf was coming for the overperforming Khaba. Instead it gets a heal, making it so much harder to kill. If played at suitable distance - how does one kill it?

Oh well, I predict it will be even more OP for a while and then get a nerf to its armour.

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I thought another nerf was coming for the overperforming Khaba. Instead it gets a heal, making it so much harder to kill. If played at suitable distance - how does one kill it?

Oh well, I predict it will be even more OP for a while and then get a nerf to its armour.

 

:rolleyes:

 

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potential/relative HP

 

 

 

22.5k unmodified

 

Repair party can heal up to 14% of that = 3150

 

maximum of 4 times per game = 4*3150 = 12 600

 

+SE = 3500

 

 

 

22.500 + 3500+12600 = 38600

 

I think the maximum damage tanked by Khaba (under ideal conditions) would be:

Base HP = 22500 + 3500 (SE) = 26000

Per use of repair party: 26000(Base HP)*0.14(14% HP per heal)*1.2(India Delta signal) = 4368

4 Heals: 4*4368 = 17472

 

For a total of 26000 + 17472 = 43472

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:rolleyes:

Well, your WR is a good deal higher in Khaba vs in Gearing, so you don't want Khaba nerfed..? :hmm: I'm just concerned about the bbs you're abusing..

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