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Haven't played for some time and I just can't recognize my Sims anymore. When in CBT this ship was a real monster with its ROF and agility and overall was a very good ship but now it looks like this is no longer that case?! I just can't seem to get the hang of it anymore.

 

I jumped in to some Ranked battles but I can see from a mile it is outclassed by almost every Tier 7 DD. Or least  this is my feeling. I rarely see a Sims on the other team...perhaps with a good reason. Besides I get spotted directly even at 7-8 km and for a DD that has a 92/100 @ Concealment this is madness. Most of times I'm the one spotted first with 2-3 seconds for the other dd to shoot before me.

 

In randoms it is still bad but there you won't see only the best ships of tier 7 like you see most of the time in ranked..and you can escape with a good game now and  then  although I still feel it underpowered.  So if anyone has this / plays this ..what is your impression on The Sims.

 

Honestly WG is shooting itself in the foot here. If money invested in this game gets "powercreeped" there is practically 0 reason to invest anything more. This is what happened with premium tanks in WOT.

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Sims Ranked player here. Won the Sims on the Santa crates, so I can't compare her to her CBT stats.

 

So far this little lady carried me thorugh 42 of my ranked battles on a strong WR of close to 60% (from 16/1 to currently 8/0). While I do have respect from Lenins and Blys's, I mange to out DPM every DD as soon as I get closer than 7km. I'm able to smoke up allies with great USN smoke and saved quite some team members with def AA (although the less CVs I see, I switch probably over to the speed boost).

 

For Ranked I can recommend this summary on reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/5uga09/ranking_in_sims_thoughts_for_a_better_performance/

 

 

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Maybe. Don't be too hard on yourself! Until I won the Sims, my USN DDs were in a pretty dire state (stopped at the Farragut ages ago). Thanks to the box and the convoy missions I picked them up again and doing quite well in them.

 

 

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If money invested in this game gets "powercreeped" there is practically 0 reason to invest anything more. This is what happened with premium tanks in WOT.

This is a fear of mine too, and the precedent is worrying.

 

As for Sims, I've had a few on my team in ranked, and I especially remember one guy who did very well in it. Capped and smoked and spotted and was generally useful.

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Many do not rate the Sims - I do. Great ship and a lot of fun to play. I have got to Rank 10 on Belfast\Shiratsuyu but will now be switching to Sims. 

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I own the Sims since preorder aswell, although i didn´t play her too much. I left her unattentioned for quiet some time and just gave her a try once and then. From what i read so far, the Sims meta has changed a lot since beta, where it was a powerfull gunboat that could wreak havoc with it´s torpedoes if ambushing properly.

 

These days, it is more considered as a supporter. Laying it´s powerfull smoke, firing at longerrange than feels comfortable/promising and launching the very slow long range torpedoes, if opportunity shows up.

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Yeh had mine since CBT but don't really play it any more because I don't really feel it's competitive, sure it's fast and agile but Russian DDs are faster and pretty much as agile, and then you have loopy arcs from small guns and pathetic torps.

 

For randoms it just has no firepower, you just can't do meaningful damage to make it worth playing. 

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To be honest the last 2 games today in Sims (all ranked) pulled some monster games on me ,  >1600 XP both games (killed 2 dd's on dogfights and 1 BB in the last game with torp) . Yes,  I do know how to play this ship it seems except the players that I faced in these battles either were extremely unlucky or just not that good. When you only lose one TP and the other team looses them all.. yeah not good games to judge the performance of a ship. 

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As far as I know jap ships should not try to enter dog fights with american dd's so given the fact that player did ...I'm thinking it doesn't know how to play that too much. Or maybe I don't know much about the jap dd's.

 

Anyway ... I'm not interested for the ship to perform good against not that good players or players that yolo I'm interested for the ship to perform good against good players. If it makes any sense. And the games I lost before in this gave me that exact feeling. It is not that good if the other players know what they are doing.

The last 2 games , I've tried experimenting with the short range and faster torpedoes as I do have a feeling the 9km ones are pretty much pointless due to the very low speed - anyone can dodge those. And so far I'm more successfull with  the short range ones and surprise attacks. Sometimes it is suiciding...but umm.. no pain no gain?

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For randoms it just has no firepower, you just can't do meaningful damage to make it worth playing. 

 

Nonsense. You appear to have 7 battles in the Sims. You know nothing.

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This is a good Sims guide by somebody who does know what they are talking about (rare on this forum):

 

http://forum.worldofwarships.eu/index.php?/topic/60802-sims-guide/page__hl__%2Bsims__fromsearch__1

 

to quote from the guide by Ictogan:

 

"I decided to write up a guide on this ship because:

a) Many people claim it's bad despite it being a good ship.

b) I'm the #1 Sims player in damage dealt and WTR on the EU server, so I must be doing something right.

c) Most people just don't seem to know how to play the Sims properly."

 

 

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Sims is great ship for ranked. Might use it this season also, if only I can find more time for ranked. ...

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I like the Sims I bought it january on sale now having a 10 pt captain so it has a 6.6 camo got me to 11 in ranked. I find it better to be a help in team then with Gneisenau although it is more hectick and a lot of pewpewpew heat constantly I get to places quick to be of assistance.

 

Have to figure out what torpedos are best though the 5.5 you have to be very carefull and the 9.2 you can send a nice spread but are slower and do less damage.

 

Also a bit torn now as is Gneisenou 18 pt capt better to use or Sims with 10 pt for further process. 

 

What i now is that expierienced Sims players always end up 1st on the list as far I could see. I dont have that powers yet although sometimes 1 and lot of top 3 endings.

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Longer range torps are best, they're better for area denial rather than killing. A Belfast can swallow 2 of them and laugh which is annoying when other torps slay them easily. You'll never use the 5.5km ones in the current Ranked meta of radar abuse.

 

Sims XP multiplier is bull$hit, once you understand the ship it's fairly easy to do well as you just seem to earn more xp. 

 

Mine has RDF and Concealment, it gives pretty decent map control.

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To be honest the last 2 games today in Sims (all ranked) pulled some monster games on me ,  >1600 XP both games

 

The last 2 games , I've tried experimenting with the short range and faster torpedoes as I do have a feeling the 9km ones are pretty much pointless due to the very low speed - anyone can dodge those. And so far I'm more successfull with  the short range ones and surprise attacks. Sometimes it is suiciding...but umm.. no pain no gain?

Sims has very high coefficient for base XP so it gets more XP than other DDs from same thing.

 

And those short range torps worked in closed beta's meta with its smoke mechanics, no hydro/radar and no heavy secondaries ships.

In current game meta they're rather suicidal, especially in ranked.

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To be honest i really really have to apologize for this thread.

 

Check this out : It seems  there was a free redistribute points for all captains in the past by WG  and , bear with me , my captain had 11/11 undistributed points. I failed to realize that and see that given my period out of this game.  Oh my god , how was I so noobish. Now I redistributed all my captain points and it made a HUGE difference. The concealment expert is a must and really makes this playable.

 

Now Sims works more than fine. Sorry :)

 

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I knew something was wrong but could not figure out what lol.

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Longer range torps are best, they're better for area denial rather than killing. A Belfast can swallow 2 of them and laugh which is annoying when other torps slay them easily. You'll never use the 5.5km ones in the current Ranked meta of radar abuse.

 

Sims XP multiplier is bull$hit, once you understand the ship it's fairly easy to do well as you just seem to earn more xp. 

 

Mine has RDF and Concealment, it gives pretty decent map control.

 

Ok thanks thought so there is almost no way of sneeking up unless there is a not so smart BB on a suicide mission. I watched I ChaseGamings vid and  copieng the be an escort vessel tactic but make sure not to be the main target works fine although here I find myself also smoking up teammates and myself from time to time unless the radar sign or the Belfast pops up then it is like get in cloacking again or be dead. Also the tip of reset to Demo expert - added the 2 flags that give a 2 x 0.5 extra change of fire makes for great fire and the adjust target to set more fires have been improving my gameplay conciderably.

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Nonsense. You appear to have 7 battles in the Sims. You know nothing.

 

And?

 

I played it on CBT when it was actually fun and did damage, hence I see no reason to play the gimped version now.

 

I don't need to loads of battles to know the guns are super loopy and often do no damage because small caliber HE often shatters so you often rely on fires (common to all US DDs) or know that 5.5km torps are extremely situational and the long range ones are pathetic in damage and speed.

 

So have a very fast and agile ship, with good concealment that has very poor damage output.

 

Little point in it with better tier 7 premium DDs around. Calling it a good ship is a flat out lie.

 

or you know I could highlight it does the second lowest damage out of all tier 7 ships, whilst having a sub 50% WR, so when I said -

 

 no firepower,

 

I was pretty much spot on. 

 

The Leningrad and Blsk are just flat out superior tier 7 DDs, as the stats show doing more damage and having much better WRs. 

 

 

 

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I have used the short range torps in ranked a couple of times with good results and to be honest I prefer them now. The  thing is , in ranked , there are 2  areas you need to capture and as DD's get there first they will scout each other and smoke each other most of time. Given the short range in these areas of capture , and by using  smoke , I find the shorter range and faster torps invaluable. I agree I am gunboat and not a torpboat but for me this worked well in the last battles. And now even if i suicide at the right moment (my team has a clear winning advantage) I can definitely kill that BB with a spread of torps. Probably it's my entertainment.

 

I agree with area denial for the slower , longer range torps but given the slow speed they are pointless in my book. Even a BB can avoid those easily, nevermind the rest of classes. Or maybe It's just me.

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I have used the short range torps in ranked a couple of times with good results and to be honest I prefer them now. The  thing is , in ranked , there are 2  areas you need to capture and as DD's get there first they will scout each other and smoke each other most of time. Given the short range in these areas of capture , and by using  smoke , I find the shorter range and faster torps invaluable. I agree I am gunboat and not a torpboat but for me this worked well in the last battles. And now even if i suicide at the right moment (my team has a clear winning advantage) I can definitely kill that BB with a spread of torps. Probably it's my entertainment.

 

I agree with area denial for the slower , longer range torps but given the slow speed they are pointless in my book. Even a BB can avoid those easily, nevermind the rest of classes. Or maybe It's just me.

 

The issue with Sims torps is their damage sucks @$$, they're essentially 50% as powerful as the IJN ones and when you consider how hard it is to get torp hits anyway...
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didn't it get its gun arc nerfed from cbt to obt?

It only had the short torps in cbt and that did lead to a lot of people trying to torp more than shoot and doing bad at it so dumping the sims into dry dock while taking out ijn stealth torp boats instead

or maybe I just fried my brain at work today on fibreglass resin fumes and I'm imagining things

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And another one from ranked , with short range torpedoes. Must be my luck today although i agree i yoloéd on the last kill to get 6 of my torp hits.

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Hi,

 

I play Sims since close beta test. I have almost 900k XP in this ship now, without a premium account (so, I played it a lot).

 

In the past I used to play Sims in ranked. However, after they introduced the "the best player of losing team does not lose a star" I stop playing Sims, at least when things get tough.

 

Why?

 

Because what Sims brings to the table to make it a decent DD for ranked is -above all- its US smoke (duration). You smoke for the team, giving them a nice 2+ mins of protection and you go ahead and scout and torp spot for them. As you can imagine, not sitting in your smoke and firing your guns (most of the times), your main source of dmg is your torps. Well, there you go. Sims torps suck. They are so slow, the rarely hit and even if they hit, their dmg is so low it's laughable. All in all, if there were any other ships capping with you, there's absolutely very little chance to get this 1st place in case your team losses.

 

Sims needs buff in torps, since.... forever ago.

 

 

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