Aircraft carriers, com on, please!

[Allanagtig]

Why are aircraft carriers still so damn op in this game? You cannot sail any ship and prevent them from taking you off cleanly, if not bombers then torpedoes. There is 0% chance you will evade getting killed in one go unless the aircraft carrier player is REALLY bad. Its like the artillery in WoT, you have to do stupid things on all maps in order to not be a target which completely ruins the gameplay imo. As a destroyer I cant go for a cap point, because i will be found alone, which means im dead. So im locked up to sail with my team in one big lemming train to prevent from getting killed, kinda is stupid eh?

 

whats your guys opinions?

[ColonelPete]

In one go?

Unless getting detonated this does not happen to me.

[salva_barbus]

Why are aircraft carriers still so damn op in this game? You cannot sail any ship and prevent them from taking you off cleanly, if not bombers then torpedoes. There is 0% chance you will evade getting killed in one go unless the aircraft carrier player is REALLY bad. Its like the artillery in WoT, you have to do stupid things on all maps in order to not be a target which completely ruins the gameplay imo. As a destroyer I cant go for a cap point, because i will be found alone, which means im dead. So im locked up to sail with my team in one big lemming train to prevent from getting killed, kinda is stupid eh?

 

whats your guys opinions?

 

If they are so OP, try taking them for a spin. Surely you will demolish the opposition if they are so easy to play?

[KptStrzyga]

 

 

whats your guys opinions?

That you never played CV, mayby tier 4 if ever. Is my guess correct? 

[bushwacker001]

OP just got killed with no damage in a Shimakaze in first battle of the day. Straight to forum...cry. 

 

[krismorgan]

They get on my nerves too but i dont play cv.

[pra3y]

 

From 3.42 to 4.05 that Friedrich Der Große got hit by 9 torps from 3 squads of TB and lose what 1/3 of its health? Maybe it's just you.

[SV_Kompresor]

The fact that you've never played CVs past tier 4 tells us everything we need to know

[xXx_Blogis_xXx]

cv OP? not even close,,,,

[Synth_FG]

Another one 

 

[beercrazy]

most memorable death for me from a cv was in my Tirpitz when in first few mins of game a tier 10 carrier sent all his torp bombers and dbs against me and killed me without me firing a shot

then again I have thousands of games under my belt and that's one of the few times that has happened but I lost count of how many times at start enemy cruiser has been lit up and I have fired at it with a bb and insta wiped that poor sod of the map

every class has its pros and cons and you gotta accept rng will ruin your game given the chance

[Kevbar]

I think the OP has a valid point...

 

.. sadly, not in this thread!

[Blizzard____]

Why are aircraft carriers still so damn op in this game? You cannot sail any ship and prevent them from taking you off cleanly, if not bombers then torpedoes. There is 0% chance you will evade getting killed in one go unless the aircraft carrier player is REALLY bad. Its like the artillery in WoT, you have to do stupid things on all maps in order to not be a target which completely ruins the gameplay imo. As a destroyer I cant go for a cap point, because i will be found alone, which means im dead. So im locked up to sail with my team in one big lemming train to prevent from getting killed, kinda is stupid eh?

 

whats your guys opinions?

 

[Venom_Too]

 

 

I usually play the Game like This:

 

[WarburtonLee]

 

 

[_FTD_]

Okay?

[deadly_if_swallowed]

4 Hoshos and both Hakuryus survived. CVs op! plz nerf nao! :o

[jss78]

Why are aircraft carriers still so damn op in this game? You cannot sail any ship and prevent them from taking you off cleanly, if not bombers then torpedoes. There is 0% chance you will evade getting killed in one go unless the aircraft carrier player is REALLY bad. Its like the artillery in WoT, you have to do stupid things on all maps in order to not be a target which completely ruins the gameplay imo. As a destroyer I cant go for a cap point, because i will be found alone, which means im dead. So im locked up to sail with my team in one big lemming train to prevent from getting killed, kinda is stupid eh?

 

whats your guys opinions?

 

Emphasized the relevant part. While I agree CV's could do some reworking, being able to demolish isolated ships isn't really a problem in my view. As you say, a hard counter exists.

 

It's one of those things where it's helpful to occasionally play as that other side. A decent or better CV player is continuously looking for a soft target, so you'll develop a feel for when you're probably being that target.

 

If there are CV's around (and not running AS loadouts), I'll always consider whether my AA is sufficient, if not, I'll try to stick near buddies so that the combined AA is sufficient.

 

I honestly can't remember when I was last killed by a CV.

[FluffyCheeks]

Carriers com on? Should they have their radios off or something?

[anonym_mlJIAFnOwMVb]

 

at least we're in no shortage of entertaining forum posts.  

[VC381]

And this is why carriers keep getting nerfed despite the fact many already think they're weak...

[Allanagtig]

OK ok, for you guys that only replies about me not having any experience in sailing CVs. Well I dont have to sail one in order to tell me your opinion when im against one. its just too damn easy to get your damage off when you are sailing remotely in one corner and having your planes dealing in another corner against destroyers who doesnt fire back, brilliant concept. In games where CVs are active, destroyers wont make it to the cap point because the fear of getting spotted by the enemy CV. Its so obvious when a DD starts capping, the planes take a direct turn towards that area... Com on ! and for one carrier placing 2x torps from different directions just makes you quit. Its too easy imo.

[Allanagtig]

Also if you have a look at the statistics with kill/death ratio, carriers are topping that quite good for the first 1000 ranks. Also having a winrate above 85% just tells it all. It carries ever game if you are a decent player or above. Kraken in every game. Lovely concept

[ColonelPete]

Carriers do not have winratings of over 85% and do NOT get Krakens every game.

 

EU Server Stats:

Player Average for Ships [ at 2017/01/28 ]
Nation	Class	Tier	Name	Win	Damage	Kills/Battle	Survival
JP	CV	4	Hosho	51.15	37.290	0.83	53.48
US	CV	4	Langley	48.91	27.491	0.59	43.53
JP	CV	5	Zuiho	52.41	43.996	0.93	57.14
US	CV	5	Bogue	46.96	26.924	0.50	45.23
JP	CV	6	Ryujo	52.31	44.021	0.83	64.84
US	CV	6	Independence	47.15	30.670	0.53	62.55
JP	CV	7	Hiryu	51.18	50.664	0.92	68.29
US	CV	7	Ranger	45.78	44.260	0.74	56.69
US	CV	7	Saipan	54.71	47.096	0.89	69.90
JP	CV	8	Shokaku	52.32	59.495	0.92	73.94
US	CV	8	Lexington	46.26	57.253	0.83	65.63
JP	CV	9	Taiho	52.74	89.072	1.26	77.42
US	CV	9	Essex	45.93	76.285	0.95	70.21
JP	CV	10	Hakuryu	52.24	110.215	1.48	78.65
US	CV	10	Midway	46.14	91.625	1.11	77.28

 

http://maplesyrup.sweet.coocan.jp/wows/ranking/index.html

 

 

[pra3y]

OK ok, for you guys that only replies about me not having any experience in sailing CVs. Well I dont have to sail one in order to tell me your opinion when im against one. its just too damn easy to get your damage off when you are sailing remotely in one corner and having your planes dealing in another corner against destroyers who doesnt fire back, brilliant concept. In games where CVs are active, destroyers wont make it to the cap point because the fear of getting spotted by the enemy CV. Its so obvious when a DD starts capping, the planes take a direct turn towards that area... Com on ! and for one carrier placing 2x torps from different directions just makes you quit. Its too easy imo.

 

See this is the problem. You assume that CVs are easy to play and can very easily farm damage. I'll just point some things that you or others like you never consider.

a) AA is a barrier that is always present. You literally do not have to do anything to kill planes. As long as you ship's AA is decent (from mid tier onwards) you're bound to shoot down a plane. You dont have to bother manually aiming your AA guns at those planes. Just keep manouvering. Meanwhile the CV player has to consider the angle of attack, estimate the lead to drop the torps and bombs while worry about AA shooting down his planes.

 

b) Planes take time to travel from the CV to their target

 Additionally they have to rearm. This also does not take into account running away from enemy fighters or finding a target with weaker AA. All of this take time and a match last only 20mins. The further planes travel the more time wasted and less damage done. The closer a CV is to the action the more exposed they are and while they can do more damage, the enemy can also damage them easier.

 

c) Its not easy to sink a DD with a CV. In fact it'll take a fair amount of practice in order to do so. Remember you have to move 2/3 squardons of planes to torp a small target from 3 different direction while considering other factors.

 

Tldr: When the next PT comes try to play a few tier 6/7/8 CV games and try to go after DDs and see if its actually as easy as you think it is.

 

Ps: Cross torps are not impossible to dodge. In the older version of the Fubuki I've dodge a a cross drop from 3 direction from a Taiho. All u need is some skill, awarwness and luck.