Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #1 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) I think this is a little unfair that this happens, and imo should never happen. One team should never get a destroyer when the other side doesnt, and imo both sides should get equal numbers of destroyers being the main game winners. It seems really unfair when the enemy team or your team is down on destroyers especially one side having none. What does everyone think, im surprised they havent sorted this when they have sorted carriers out. ps dont ask what happened with the image lol Edited February 12, 2017 by Dominico 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hateshinaku WoWs Wiki Team, Players, Sailing Hamster, Modder 1,625 posts 2,725 battles Report post #2 Posted February 12, 2017 If your imagelink would only work, too bad :/ 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sarmanil Players 110 posts 8,451 battles Report post #3 Posted February 12, 2017 Why you only have 4 battleboats??? Hax! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #4 Posted February 12, 2017 Why you only have 4 battleboats??? Hax! Hahah i get loads of games with few battleboats. I think that people just only notice when there are a lot. I have some games when there are only 2 or so. The middle tiers 5,6,7,8,9 are all fine except for this huge destroyer issue imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EsaTuunanen Beta Tester 3,552 posts 8,863 battles Report post #5 Posted February 12, 2017 except for this huge destroyer issue imo. What destroyer issue? All I see is Balless Boats afraid of having paint scratched and having run to map border in enemy team. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #6 Posted February 12, 2017 They fought, unfortunately a destroyer contesting the cap means they cant do much there, and torps keep them back. N spotting makes them all pretty much targets where allies are harder to hit. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #7 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) They fought, unfortunately a destroyer contesting the cap means they cant do much there, and torps keep them back. N spotting makes them all pretty much targets where allies are harder to hit. Farragut Torpedoes max range 6.4 Km. Detection fully spec. 6.6Km Edited February 12, 2017 by Culiacan_Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #8 Posted February 12, 2017 Farragut Torpedoes max range 6.4 Km. cap circle size? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #9 Posted February 12, 2017 Anyone who doesnt exclusively play destroyers want to comment Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #10 Posted February 12, 2017 cap circle size? Farragut has to smoke to torp effectively with out getting hammered... or from ambush. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #11 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Anyone who doesnt exclusively play destroyers want to comment You played the Farragut... did you find it a mass killing machine? I play a lot of DDs, and while I am no expert... I can say the Farragut while good has limitation: short range torpedoes with guns that aren't very effective at range. I can cause all kinds of trouble to other DDs in side 6 KMs, but at range light cruiser will destroy it quickly. Edited February 12, 2017 by Culiacan_Mexico Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capra76 Players 5,001 posts 7,787 battles Report post #12 Posted February 12, 2017 Is the O/P whining because there aren't enough DD being played at mid tiers? I guess that's what happens if you keep nerfing the class as a whole, in the end people get the message and play something else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #13 Posted February 12, 2017 You played the Farragut... did you find it a mass killing machine? Sometimes in world of warships. You can have more impact on a game without being a mass killing machine. Since its a team game, there are other ways to be the mvp. Its amazing i know, because most sites go on your damage output. But its possible, spotting capping etc etc. They all add up to game winning factors. Like when a carrier uses his fighters to spot a destroyer, he doesnt do damage to it, but he is the main factor in weakening its impact in game. As for the Farragut its an amazing destroyer. Though not a "mass killing machine" but we digress from the point of the post.... which was : Do we need destroyer parity in match maker. I would personally rather wait 3 or 4 minutes to have a challenging game with an opposing destroyer than easy matches without. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #14 Posted February 12, 2017 Is the O/P whining because there aren't enough DD being played at mid tiers? I guess that's what happens if you keep nerfing the class as a whole, in the end people get the message and play something else. wait a second you acuse me of whining (which im not) then start to whine about imaginary nerfs to the most powerful class in the game... Allrighty then. Dont even need to check, youre a destroyer player! Anyone not play destroyers round here... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #15 Posted February 12, 2017 Do we need destroyer parity in match maker. I would personally rather wait 3 or 4 minutes to have a challenging game with an opposing destroyer than easy matches without. I think in general this is a good idea, but... If one side get a Kiev and the other gets a Shiratsuyu, there will still be issues. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dominico Players 533 posts 2,226 battles Report post #16 Posted February 12, 2017 I think in general this is a good idea, but... If one side get a Kiev and the other gets a Shiratsuyu, there will still be issues. But if you go to that level of matching, then yes it gets stale and you will have long waiting times i agree. But i personally like varied match up of gunboat vs torp boat etc. As they can both get the upper hand on each other. However 5 destroyers vs 4. Or in this case 1 vs none, while amazing luck for me i prefer to have a challenge and i know it was not fun for the opposing team. I feel especially 1-0 is hugely unfair. Though they had 2 leanders to combat me they didn't use them well, and my team backed me up excellently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #17 Posted February 12, 2017 I feel especially 1-0 is hugely unfair. I believe it is 'unfair' because I always look forward to it. DDs are one of the main counters to DDs... if played correctly. No opposing DDs, CVs, or Radar... and lots of BBs is happy time!!! (For Japanese DDs) No opposing DDs when I am in a gunboat is not so happy for me. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #18 Posted February 12, 2017 I think this is a little unfair that this happens, and imo should never happen. One team should never get a destroyer when the other side doesnt, and imo both sides should get equal numbers of destroyers being the main game winners. It seems really unfair when the enemy team or your team is down on destroyers especially one side having none. What does everyone think, im surprised they havent sorted this when they have sorted carriers out. ps dont ask what happened with the image lol If players cannot deal with a lone Farragut, they deserve to lose. In battles were the enemy has only one Farragut I know I can be much more aggressive in since it cannot really hurt me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cosseria Players 1,064 posts 4,944 battles Report post #19 Posted February 12, 2017 Oh look at that, most of the losing team's BBs are still alive and at the bottom of the XP chain, it's the first time I see such a result, really! Also, what's that 0 XP cruiser down there? How could that happen? Borderhugging BBs, AFKers, a steamrolling match, looks like a normal day at the WoWs office. That picture hints to bigger problems than a minor MM screwup. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #20 Posted February 12, 2017 The middle tiers 5,6,7,8,9 are all fine except for this huge destroyer issue imo. So WG is lying when they say they see a BB overpopulation at certain tiers Oh look at that, most of the losing team's BBs are still alive and at the bottom of the XP chain, it's the first time I see such a result, really! Also, what's that 0 XP cruiser down there? How could that happen? Borderhugging BBs, AFKers, a steamrolling match, looks like a normal day at the WoWs office. That picture hints to bigger problems than a minor MM screwup. Yup. Farragut has to smoke to torp effectively with out getting hammered... or from ambush. You played the Farragut... did you find it a mass killing machine? I play a lot of DDs, and while I am no expert... I can say the Farragut while good has limitation: short range torpedoes with guns that aren't very effective at range. I can cause all kinds of trouble to other DDs in side 6 KMs, but at range light cruiser will destroy it quickly. also yup. Now, @OP Yeah DD should be mirrored already, I guess you were playing late. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #21 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) edit: forum derp sorry double post Edited February 12, 2017 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TTTX] Mayv Players 1,952 posts 7,021 battles Report post #22 Posted February 12, 2017 Now, @OP Yeah DD should be mirrored already, I guess you were playing late. Only top tier DDs are mirrored. Mid and Bottom tiered have a max difference of 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #23 Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) Only top tier DDs are mirrored. Mid and Bottom tiered have a max difference of 1. True but not of influence to topic as having 1 DD on his team makes him top tier DD automatically edit: or am I missing something? Edited February 12, 2017 by mtm78 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TOXIC] eliastion Players 4,795 posts 12,260 battles Report post #24 Posted February 12, 2017 I don't think a lone Farragut specifically is a real problem but I do somewhat agree that matches where one side has a DD and the other doesn't aren't a good idea. I wouldn't mind a rule that makes the other team have at least 1 DD if one team has one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtm78 Alpha Tester 19,378 posts 6,105 battles Report post #25 Posted February 12, 2017 I don't think a lone Farragut specifically is a real problem but I do somewhat agree that matches where one side has a DD and the other doesn't aren't a good idea. I wouldn't mind a rule that makes the other team have at least 1 DD if one team has one. This should already be a rule, just not as 'fixed' as with CV's for instance. But yes, they should enforce it in the same manner. Not that you can not win without a DD, it's far less game braking as CV vs no CV teams, but it for perception's sake it would be good I guess. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
