New russian DDs AA

[Horin728]

 

Allright, watch the video first.

 

I have to say that I agree with most points Flamu is making. Even now the Minotaur can decimate plane squads from smoke, but at least you can see the smoke and avoid it, now there are ships that will kill planes from stealth? WG should be seriously working hard on the CV rework. Plus the Z-52 is such a joke now... "Having excellent AA my bum!"

[Gojuadorai]

well this ship and minotaur  are evidence we prob should brace oureselves for a hefty buff of plane surviavability

 

or the rework is deleting cvs from the game 

[Horin728]

What pisses me off even more are the german DDs... The Z-52 has great AA power... Yea compared to this? Roflmao. Stealthkilling planes... Sir we are getting shot up in the air! Why there is nothing bellow us.

[Mayv]

now there are ships that will kill planes from stealth?

 

Nearly all DDs with dual purpose guns can do this already, but most dont have enough AA to bother speccing them this way.

 

Akizuki being the exception currently (5.0km Air Detection, 7.2km AA range). But notably doesnt have DF, despite being a purpose built AA DD, also a joke that they are giving it to these new RU DDs.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

Nearly all DDs with dual purpose guns can do this already, but most dont have enough AA to bother speccing them this way.

 

Akizuki being the exception currently (5.0km Air Detection, 7.2km AA range). But notably doesnt have DF, despite being a purpose built AA DD, also a joke that they are giving it to these new RU DDs.

 

WG gave a USN DD radar (albeit only for a select elite few), so they had to reply with op Russian power to show everyone who's really in charge 

 

Awful addition to the game, again it's a case of "who exactly outside of Russia wants this?" 

 

I look forward to the RU BB line along with Soviet Aircraft Carriers with some sort of AA jamming skill so they can bomb any target at will 

[ScratxNeko]

Let's be calm, folks, it is WIP.

 

But yeah, a DD decimating a Hakuryu's air group like that feels wrong, man. As much as I hate Hakuryu/Midways because I never seem to have enough AA to deal with them the few times I come across them, this is probably not the way to go.

[Takeda92]

You know a dev's response to this is gonna be "but you'll have to specc for AA which means you'll have to leave other useful skills."

[Ton0kki]

Let's be calm, folks, it is WIP.

 

But yeah, a DD decimating a Hakuryu's air group like that feels wrong, man. As much as I hate Hakuryu/Midways because I never seem to have enough AA to deal with them the few times I come across them, this is probably not the way to go.

 

Pretty much all high tier ships with decent AA reach insane levels of AA if you spec only for it. High tier CVs are just so rare that no-one bothers to do that. Anyway, destroyers with such a high AA are problematic. Destroyers would be inherently much better AA escorts than cruisers if they had enough AA. We don't need other classes taking cruisers role even more.

[Horin728]

The main problem is that there actually is a branch that is supposed to counter CVs. And was there from the CBT. The USN cruisers, does that ring a bell? Yea they got buffed now and that is awesome (I took out my Pensacola and had immense fun in her and DM feels as good as ever) and every branch that was added after them has comparable/better AA (exept for ze german DDs, which are simply sad). The USN DDs can also eqip the defensive fire and that is fine-ish, it sucks having to deal with large spreads, but it is CD based, and doesn't kill as many planes. This thing murders TX planes even without it.

[Smeggo]

Adding more and more AA-ships won't help as long as there are no High-Tier-CVs played voluntary 

 

[Dampfboot]

He is going full AA spec there, he says that he wasn't using manual AA to get this result, so it seems a pretty viable build. Especially if you have CV friends.

 

What I am more interested in is when they will be buffing the German DDs. So far nothing was really mentioned. Russian bias and stuff, don't really care anymore, anyone can have these ships, so if they create too much havoc, they will be nerfed, like happened to the Khabarovsk. What really angers me is that the whole German DD line is crap and they don't give a crap.

[TheCoolBird]

I watched Flamu use that ship on a live stream yesterday, I really hope they rework it or make carriers better. It seems insane for a destroyer to have that much power in AA. 

[Horin728]

He is going full AA spec there, he says that he wasn't using manual AA to get this result, so it seems a pretty viable build. Especially if you have CV friends.

 

What I am more interested in is when they will be buffing the German DDs. So far nothing was really mentioned. Russian bias and stuff, don't really care anymore, anyone can have these ships, so if they create too much havoc, they will be nerfed, like happened to the Khabarovsk. What really angers me is that the whole German DD line is crap and they don't give a crap.

 

How many CV friends will there be left? Even now I am quite lonely in my CV  

 

Yea the german line is quite bad... I had one superb game in the z-52 but the rest is usually a rain of crap...

[Exocet6951]

"2017 will be a great year for CVs "

Oh stop spoiling us so much WG 

 

 

EDIT: how sad is it that you don't even have to try to meme WG, they just write the memes themselves

[Tirande]

 

Nearly all DDs with dual purpose guns can do this already, but most dont have enough AA to bother speccing them this way.

 

Akizuki being the exception currently (5.0km Air Detection, 7.2km AA range). But notably doesnt have DF, despite being a purpose built AA DD, also a joke that they are giving it to these new RU DDs.

 

We all know WG gets paid by Putin to make Soviet technology/tanks/ships look superior and make them rewrite history in a simular way North Korea has done. (If you dunno, look it up; it's hilariously silly what they came up with) And we all know how the KGB logic goes: they say X and do Y, where Y is the exact opposite of what X is. So if they say they'll fix CVs, they'll either not bother doing anything at all OR they'll just f*ck it up more and make them 100% unplayable on top of giving every new line over the top AA. Btw the Russian BBs will have Radar, Hydro, Defensive AA fire, better AA than Monty and Kurfurst combined, 90% torpedo belt protection, no citadel; turtleback armor as well as a 5km detection range while firing with a 30km range on their main armament, 20km range on secondaries, and 0.5km detection range by air as well as "Spudnik" class SAM missles which have a 15km range on AA and can also double as secondary batteries to 1 shot DDs! *rollseyes*

[Exocet6951]

 

We all know WG gets paid by Putin to make Soviet technology/tanks/ships look superior and make them rewrite history in a simular way North Korea has done. (If you dunno, look it up; it's hilariously silly what they came up with) And we all know how the KGB logic goes: they say X and do Y, where Y is the exact opposite of what X is. So if they say they'll fix CVs, they'll either not bother doing anything at all OR they'll just f*ck it up more and make them 100% unplayable on top of giving every new line over the top AA. Btw the Russian BBs will have Radar, Hydro, Defensive AA fire, better AA than Monty and Kurfurst combined, 90% torpedo belt protection, no citadel; turtleback armor as well as a 5km detection range while firing with a 30km range on their main armament, 20km range on secondaries, and 0.5km detection range by air as well as "Spudnik" class SAM missles which have a 15km range on AA and can also double as secondary batteries to 1 shot DDs! *rollseyes*

 

That may be on the nose, but there was a government ruling a few years back giving the right to Russian media companies to ask for subsidies for portraying Russian culture and history in a positive way.

That's actually a thing.

 

I don't thing WG as a group can get it, being based in Cyprus, but Lesta studios...

This may be a tinfoil hat moment, but it's legally a possibility.

[RUSSIANBlAS]

 

We all know WG gets paid by Putin to make Soviet technology/tanks/ships look superior and make them rewrite history in a simular way North Korea has done. (If you dunno, look it up; it's hilariously silly what they came up with) And we all know how the KGB logic goes: they say X and do Y, where Y is the exact opposite of what X is. So if they say they'll fix CVs, they'll either not bother doing anything at all OR they'll just f*ck it up more and make them 100% unplayable on top of giving every new line over the top AA. Btw the Russian BBs will have Radar, Hydro, Defensive AA fire, better AA than Monty and Kurfurst combined, 90% torpedo belt protection, no citadel; turtleback armor as well as a 5km detection range while firing with a 30km range on their main armament, 20km range on secondaries, and 0.5km detection range by air as well as "Spudnik" class SAM missles which have a 15km range on AA and can also double as secondary batteries to 1 shot DDs! *rollseyes*

 

Ah that would explain all those recent silly youtube clips of Russian war films, like that naval one (Admiral I think it is) where some stupid 1900s Cruiser mine detonates a German heavy cruiser type thing. 

 

The average CV player is awful (usually BAD on stats), even up to the higher tiers. No idea why more AA buffs are needed

[Unintentional_submarine]

I watched Flamu use that ship on a live stream yesterday, I really hope they rework it or make carriers better. It seems insane for a destroyer to have that much power in AA. 

 

Then you also saw the game with the enemy CV complaining in chat that he was losing planes to ships he couldn't even see.

 

Imagine that being reasonably common for CVs. There is functionally nothing the CV can do to avoid the Grozovoi. It is fast enough that it can redeploy to other areas really fast. It isn't like the DM where it will follow a fairly predictable path because it has to stay clear of showing broadside, will need islands to cover it and all those other things. A cruiser being a no-fly zone is troublesome, but at least it is known where it is most of the time. Grozovoi, not so much. That thing can ambush planes from absurd ranges with devastating results, and stay entirely undetected.

 

How are carrier players supposed to adapt and play around that? Not playing at all sounds like the best counterplay.

[Horin728]

So I watched Notsers stream today... And holy crap it is not only the 1 DD Flamu showed, there are more. As insane as the first one... 

 

Seriously... the BFT and AFT combines so well with their gun focused style of play, same as with german BBs and their secondaries... Well... What the actual hell? 

[MoveZig]

Who's going to drop Engine Boost just to mount a consumable that might be useful every, what, second or third match? How many CVs are there around t10? Not very many, I take it.

[Mayv]

Who's going to drop Engine Boost just to mount a consumable that might be useful every, what, second or third match? How many CVs are there around t10? Not very many, I take it.

 

I do it currently on the Fletcher and Gearing.

Speed boost is one of the least useful consumables in my opinion. Its impact is so low.

When there is a CV in game having DF is invaluable to a DD. The tines it has saved me makes up for the games were it has no use other than shooting down catapult fighters.

[Prospect_b]

 

Ah that would explain all those recent silly youtube clips of Russian war films, like that naval one (Admiral I think it is) where some stupid 1900s Cruiser mine detonates a German heavy cruiser type thing. 

 I started watching that film a while ago. Couldn't finish it - so horribly idiotic.

[Unintentional_submarine]

Who's going to drop Engine Boost just to mount a consumable that might be useful every, what, second or third match? How many CVs are there around t10? Not very many, I take it.

 

Be prepared to reverse that line of thinking.

 

Right now, if you don't lose too much power, DF is well worth changing in. Even if there aren't any carriers around, taking down that pesky catapult fighter in the couple seconds it is visible, is priceless. You protect yourself so much more you think by having that capability.

[ApesTogetherStronK]

 

Nearly all DDs with dual purpose guns can do this already, but most dont have enough AA to bother speccing them this way.

 

Akizuki being the exception currently (5.0km Air Detection, 7.2km AA range). But notably doesnt have DF, despite being a purpose built AA DD, also a joke that they are giving it to these new RU DDs.

 

This. If they want to keep this monstrosity I demand Akizuki get serious buffs. In the form of better agility OR a consumable slot containing either DF or hydro. (The amount of torps she takes because of her poor speed, agility and huge size for a DD is insane. Having to choose between full AA [Offensive build] or Hydro [Defensive Build] would be a nice balancing factor for her, and I personally feel she is underperforming currently. Though this may just be due to a sever lack of CV's.)

[Verdius]

Who's going to drop Engine Boost just to mount a consumable that might be useful every, what, second or third match? How many CVs are there around t10? Not very many, I take it.

 

WG has said they want they want to make ranked seasons at T10 as well. We also don't know how they will implement CW.

Also if you division up with a CV you guarantee an enemy CV. Plus this thing can meet T8 and T9 carriers as well. Because fair and balanced, fun and engaging gameplay.

 

Year of CV's right?

 

 

Then you also saw the game with the enemy CV complaining in chat that he was losing planes to ships he couldn't even see.

 

Imagine that being reasonably common for CVs. There is functionally nothing the CV can do to avoid the Grozovoi. It is fast enough that it can redeploy to other areas really fast. It isn't like the DM where it will follow a fairly predictable path because it has to stay clear of showing broadside, will need islands to cover it and all those other things. A cruiser being a no-fly zone is troublesome, but at least it is known where it is most of the time. Grozovoi, not so much. That thing can ambush planes from absurd ranges with devastating results, and stay entirely undetected.

 

How are carrier players supposed to adapt and play around that? Not playing at all sounds like the best counterplay.

 

Stealthfiring is only harmful if it is against BBs and is completely unintended gameplay mechanic that is going to change, tovarich. CVs getting hammered from stealth however can go **** themselves apparently.