I hate the New York with a capital HATE

[RenamedUser_544573522]

almost out of the worst ship I have encountered yet.
The New York
​The thing really is a real piece of crap.
​Now bearing in mind, my Average damage in the S Carolina and the Wyoming come somewhere in at 80kish which I think is good enough.
​On a good game, I can get Kraken awards and do 120k Damage.

​So I "upgraded" to the NY.
​I wish I never bothered.
​IF I do *REALLY* well in the NY, I will survive a battle and do around 15k damage.
​On a really bad game 6k - 15k the ship is an absolute joke.

​The rest of the time, the NY refuses to hit the target, and if it finally does hit something 9/10 the shells fracture or bounce and the 1/10 shell that actually hits. I do a "massive" total of 1000 damage.
It really is pathetic.

​If you are new to the US line.
​The Wyo is so much fun, But the New York is making me want to just quit the game or just start another line of ship.
How can the New York be so bloody terrible?

[SV_Kompresor]

To me it was just a higher tier Wyoming

[RenamedUser_544573522]

To me it was just a higher tier Wyoming

 

 

To my the Wyoming was an absolute dream, so good in fact, I'm keeping her forever.

​The New York for me would be a down grade from the South Carolina, There was not one game I can remember in the New York, where it felt like a useful ship.

​The entire experience, it was completely underwhelming, and literally refused to damage anything.

​I was really lucky to do more than 4k damage with a single barrage,

 

​In fact, I couldn't even hit ships with her that were 10km away and travelling in a straight line, whereas with the Wyoming, I was getting citadels over islands by accident at max range.

 

​The New York really was a horrible, horrible experience.

[ColonelPete]

​Now bearing in mind, my Average damage in the S Carolina and the Wyoming come somewhere in at 80kish which I think is good enough.

Sure...

 

Icon	Name	Tier ▼	Type	Nation	Battles	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	New York	5	BB	USA	29	65.52%	32,611	812	1.0	0.7	1.9	28%	25%	0%	1,152
	Wyoming	4	BB	USA	48	62.50%	48,111	745	3.0	1.3	1.0	56%	25%	0%	1,422
	South Carolina	3	BB	USA	122	49.18%	31,661	611	1.3	0.9	0.1	30%	31%	0%	1,292

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/544573522/AndyInnit

 

Your problem is called "Screwed up perception"

 

 

 

[TheBigLanowski]

The main problem of the New York is terrible matchmaking that comes with T5. You often get tierd up. If you want to play a really bad ship try out Myogi ;)

[RenamedUser_544573522]

Sure...

 

Icon	Name	Tier ▼	Type	Nation	Battles	WR	Dmg	XP	K/D	Sh☠	Pl☠	Srv	MBH	TH	WTR
	New York	5	BB	USA	29	65.52%	32,611	812	1.0	0.7	1.9	28%	25%	0%	1,152
	Wyoming	4	BB	USA	48	62.50%	48,111	745	3.0	1.3	1.0	56%	25%	0%	1,422
	South Carolina	3	BB	USA	122	49.18%	31,661	611	1.3	0.9	0.1	30%	31%	0%	1,292

 

https://eu.warships.today/player/544573522/AndyInnit

 

Your problem is called "Screwed up perception"

 

 

 

 

​fair point, However notice the large discrepancy between the NY and the Wyo, and i thought i did much better than that in my Carol, But then she was my triaining wheels.

​I stil hate the NY Its horrible, Finally have the Mex now. Will be playing it tonight,

​I am definately keeping the Wyo, I love her heh 

[woodyudet_17]

NY is probably worst T5 BB and matchmaking doesn't help. Stick with it as New Mexico and North Carolina (particularly) are worth the grind

[Ferry_25]

OP, I think we all have those ships. In my case they are called Baltimore and Hipper.

[Historynerd]

The New York is not that hot, that's true. I have done worse in her than in the Wyoming.

 

Pretty much, in the Wyoming, you can rely on your firepower - those twelve 305 mm rifles were just lovely.

In the New York, the increase in caliber does not compensate the reduction in barrels, not to mention that to use the amidships turret you have to expose your side quite a bit. Your armor is not quite enough to protect you from enemy BBs, and your speed is a huge drawback (once committed, you cannot go back). Also, having the Kongo as an enemy is something that can really frustrate you; while the Wyoming had the Myogi, which is less fearsome in perspective. 

 

Plus, something funny can happen, as it did to me. I once took a torpedo directly amidships, and it detonated me. Pretty easy to guess why, I have a *beep*-ing magazine right there, so of course it could detonate me.

Honestly, though, I was not that bothered. It was funny, though, when a teammate started complaining how much of a n00b I was, for exposing my broadside to a BB (which had not killed me), blah blah... I admit I liked informing him that it had been the DD with a torpedo. He shut up, I wonder why... 

 

Anyway, the New York is not a great ship; and she feels even worse, because she's stuck between a good ship (the Wyoming) and a wonderful ship (the New Mexico - it's heaven for me!).

Still, with all said and done, even though I ended up with a losing winrate, I still did some decent damage in her. I have had worse ships. No love lost, but no hate wasted, either.

[iiDutchy]

I really fail to see your point here .. 

No offence , but i just do not see it , or even where you get the "i do 15k on a good game"

 

I mean , if you are moving up the tiers expect to see better players , that know what they are doing.

And expect not to hit every salvo like in lower tiers for the main reason the range is bigger , players will maneuvering to avoid getting hit , players will angle , etc.

 

looks all pretty normal to me. 

 

Spoiler

 

[ColonelPete]

Yes, New York is the weakest Tier V BB, but she is not bad.

I sail the Texas regulary, which is basicly a New York with 1944 AA. Even in battles without CVs she does quite well.

[Taralack]

I never played the US BBs but thought about starting with Wyoming today. I did played IJN BBs a lot and on tier 5 I was never afraid of NewYork specially when playing Kongo and Fuso. Thx for the post about NewYork, I ll definitivly skip it and get NewMexico with exp points.

 

[ColonelPete]

NewMex has some of the same drawbacks of NY.

Better learn how to handle slow BB with New York before uptiering.

[Historynerd]

I never played the US BBs but thought about starting with Wyoming today. I did played IJN BBs a lot and on tier 5 I was never afraid of NewYork specially when playing Kongo and Fuso. Thx for the post about NewYork, I ll definitivly skip it and get NewMexico with exp points.

 

 

NewMex has some of the same drawbacks of NY.

Better learn how to handle slow BB with New York before uptiering.

 

I agree with ColonelPete.

 

Jumping from the Wyoming to the New Mexico might be too much of a step.

Besides, New York teaches you how to deal with a relatively short ship, how to avoid torps, and how to position yourself at the start (at lower tiers there are still many slower cruisers and destroyers, but climbing up they become faster and end up all over the place).

Basically, if you forget about the New York's amidships turret (and it's a good idea), you learn to angle and shoot like the New Mexico. And that's very good - since you'll have to do it a lot when jumping to Tier 6.

[thepuma2012]

i am up to tier VII  in us battleships, and disliked all of them. (have been grinding for the next ship hoping it would go better).  I have the same issues as topic starter. Shell miss and bounce of ships and get only one hit out of a salvo. And they are really slow, therefore a good and preferred target for enemy.    I do the same if I play an other ship.  When there is a US battleship in enemy, it would be my first target if possible. Because they are easy to hit.  In destroyer for example, because german ships are much better at defending themselves with long range secondaries. And in everything else.

I see it happening, in my US battleships I am main target.

[Sukasaa]

The thing is  New York is a sluggish Ship and you have top plan out every thing from the start Which path you going to go (Because detouring is not NY best at.) It's an well armored ship and can do massive damage against other  Battleships/Cruisers Always be near A friendly Cruiser or a DD as you can't turn well and DDs love a good Slow BB. I also use Texas (New York.) And yeah I don't like speed :3 But it makes up for that with firepower. ^^

[Raziel_Walker]

New Mexico and North Carolina are worth the grind.

Disclaimer: I leveled the NM before german BB supremacy so it might be less awesome now.

[EsaTuunanen]

The thing is  New York is a sluggish Ship and you have top plan out every thing from the start Which path you going to go (Because detouring is not NY best at.) It's an well armored ship

Actually New York is far from well protected in current game mechanics:

Showing side risks citadel hits for heavy and irrepairable damage, just like in any BB which isn't German.

And even DD caliber HE hits to anywhere but waterline belt armor and turrets will do direct penetration damage.

For comparison midship hull of König is completely smaller caliber HE proof with only superstructure taking direct damage.

Even Kongo has that "medium" thickness armoring in midship!

 

And then not so good gun range and accuracy forces it to get (really slowly) closer to enemy to shoot at them.

Making it easier target for HE spam, while completely lacking slightest ability to control engagement in any way.

For example Kongo has speed to prevent cruisers from swarming it, while König has lot less hull surface vulnerable to DD/152mm HE spam.

 

Then add MM which often makes it low tier so its no wonder its stats are way worst of T5 tech three BBs.

 

I also use Texas (New York.) And yeah I don't like speed :3 But it makes up for that with firepower. ^^

Then why your stats in it "suck donkey balls" compared to König?

While Texas is already improved New York able to fire all guns while staying more angled.

(NY has very bad firing angles on one turret)

[_Flyto_]

To reinforce some of what others have said,

 

• NY is a decent ship. Not amazing, but OK. Make sure she is fully upgraded and has the buy-for-credits range upgrade before judging too harshly. Many BBs are horrible in stock config.
• T5 is a point at which most enemy battleship players have figured out how ship and armour angles work; in the Wyoming, much of the time it's safe to sit side-on to your enemy and blast them. In the NY, it's not. You may already have this down, or you may have been lucky at T4.
• To survive in NY, you need to be very careful about when you use your middle turret. Much of the time it's not worth using it because you have to turn nearly side-on to the enemy.
• Perhaps the biggest deal at present: T5 really sucks for matchmaking. You'll tend to be bottom-tier most of the time against T6 & 7, and that's perhaps more problematic for battleships than for anybody else (well, except carriers). Your enemies are better armoured and have bigger guns than you. It's horrible, but there's not much one can do about it except for the things you'll need to do in a battleship anyway - play smart, think about position and angles, aim carefully, and get through it. The New Mex is better in every way, so if you've already bought that, hopefully you'll enjoy it. If not, then possibly the US superdreadnought line simply isn't for you :-)

[EsaTuunanen]

• Perhaps the biggest deal at present: T5 really sucks for matchmaking. You'll tend to be bottom-tier most of the time against T6 & 7, and that's perhaps more problematic for battleships than for anybody else (well, except carriers). Your enemies are better armoured and have bigger guns than you.

And not only BBs are all around stronger with better armor, guns and speed, but additionally cruisers gain lots of range to spam HE at slow BB.

Kongo and König have better survivability against that because of more speed and/or "thicker skin".

[Odo_Toothless]

-> AndyInnit

Problem is not in ship but in different play style on every level. You are doing very well in Wyoming, but in highier tiers distances are bigger and opponents better, so your positioning is very important - especially having 21 knots.

Many times you end uptiered by 2 levels too.

 

I had the same problem. First with NY, then with NM. Every time in teoretically better ship I had worse stats then in old one. Play more and learn how to play in different enviroment. US BB line is quite solid. Of course their premiums are slightly better: Tex and Arizona.

 

Anyway I thought that my Wyoming will stay in my port forever, but after how I played Kaiser and finally get Nikolai I from Santa boxes, he was sold immediately ... When I started to do x3 times more DMG I realized how mediocre WY is ;-)

[Gnirf]

Well I do not play NY at the momen at all but Wyoming and New Mexico + my premium Arizona. My premium Texas I do not play at all either. As other post say MM better players and tougher ships. The larger maps on average is a drawback for NY.

 

Have you noticed average shots /game I am sure they decrease as well? Hitting percentage?

 

Funny enough in German ships I play T5 König a lot but Bayern and Kaiser far less (but not near zero as for NY/Texas).

 

König I find her guns weak but comfortable a Little like NMs userfriendly 4x3 guns. I have also better results in Wyo than NY both WR good/vs bad and better danage figures and I do not think that is unusual for players that keep playing these ships after grind.. Serveravg damage is a little higher for NY but only just.

[SinkTheOthersNotMe]

SC is a bit garbage but workable

Wyoming: Nice BB especially when playing against newbies or/and noobs at that tier, know how to syncro with your enemy's salvoes + angle and bow on when needed.

NY: Same as his predecessor, of course like most tier 5 he suffers from being put against tier 7.

NM: Great BB, workable even against tier 8 if played cautiously.

 

German BB are currently very good -> luckily most of the time they are driven by tomatoes/noobs....

If BB are not your cup of tea then switch to cruisers and watch BB burn.

[EsaTuunanen]

NM: Great BB, workable even against tier 8 if played cautiously.

But ability to keep ship angled is the key.

Even destroyer can keep racking up costant damage by spamming AP into that huge (compared to superstructure) 25mm flimsy side.

During duration of one smoke gunboat could easily do 15+ k damage to side showing NM unless sections are reaching damage saturation thresholds.

 

Bayern and Fuso are both lot less vulnerable to small caliber AP spam because of medium thickness armor of midship.

[jss78]

It's honestly not so bad. It's a kind of a low point in the progression because Wyoming is nice for her tier, and New Mexico is again excellent. Plus ANY ship in Tier 5 tends to feel "bad" because the MM is so brutal compared to T4. The ship will really need to be exceptional to not feel like hard work.

 

But looks like I've managed a dmg average of 49.9k over the past month in the NY, and it hasn't been too bad.

 

Some tips:

• As noted above, don't be hell-bent to use that middle turret. Well angled with 4 turrets > poorly angled with 5 turrets.
• Don't try to outsnipe Kongos etc., you don't have the accuracy. You're a brawler, so get rather close to enemy BB's unless it's a T7 German with torpedos.
• If you're crazy enough to keep her (I was), it might benefit of a rather specialized captain. The baseline secondaries and AA are so poor that it doesn't pay to go BFT+AFT (since they give a %-based increase). Instead put all points in anything that boosts survivability: Superintendent, Jack of all trades, Basics of Surivability, High alert. Make it a tank. Stay angled to avoid the big hits, and heal well and often.
• Just play careful. There are plenty of bad BB players out in T4-7, so don't be one yourself. A well angled NY will win against a poorly angled Nagato.