[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #1 Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) IJN Mutsu Other collected reviews: Alabama - Duca d'Aosta - Okhotnik The new Japanese premium tier VI battleship Mutsu is upon us. The reviews Aerroon Flamu iChase iEarlGrey LittleWhiteMouse Notser NoZoupForYou PointyHairedJedi Yuzral Now that the Mutsu is on sale, community contributor reviews are a valuable source of information for potential buyers. I enjoy watching these, and I'm sure many others do as well. I therefore thought it would be useful to gather all the major ones in a single easy-to-see overview thread like this.I'll keep updating the overhead as new reviews are released. If you find one which I haven't posted yet, please put it in a comment and I'll update the list. Note that the Mutsu version currently on sale has improved reload, rudder shift and turret traverse from the preview version. Aerroon Flamu iChase iEarlGrey LittleWhiteMouse Premium Ship Review: Mutsu PointyHairedJedi Yuzral Note: All credit for content goes to the relevant community contributors. They certainly have my personal thanks for all their hard work. =) Other collected reviews: Mutsu Edited April 3, 2017 by Verence196 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #2 Posted February 3, 2017 Well, reviews seem bad, but yet the reviews on the Dunkek where bad too and its among the best tier 6 ships in the game. I guess ill get her, just because of reasons and because i like ships that make struggle for my win. Might end up collecting dust in port thou too like the Warspite which i hate, or the Ichizuchi which is just as bad .. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SPUDS] Comrad_StaIin Beta Tester 4,594 posts 20,080 battles Report post #3 Posted February 3, 2017 Dunkek has troll disperision tho Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] Runner357 Players 542 posts 18,076 battles Report post #4 Posted February 3, 2017 Like Flamu said - it's not the ship that's the problem, it's the MM. You will be fighting T8s all the time in that thing 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #5 Posted February 3, 2017 Dunkek has troll disperision tho But it brings enough shells down range without exposing any major weakspot so it got that going at least. What i see fromt he reviews is that they need to fix the deck armor and make torps at least twice as powerful, or give them a very short reload time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] Aotearas Players 8,460 posts 13,076 battles Report post #6 Posted February 3, 2017 Well, reviews seem bad, but yet the reviews on the Dunkek where bad too and its among the best tier 6 ships in the game. I guess ill get her, just because of reasons and because i like ships that make struggle for my win. Might end up collecting dust in port thou too like the Warspite which i hate, or the Ichizuchi which is just as bad .. Only watched the Flamu preview but he seemed pretty positive about it, with only the nasty tier VI MM being a major negative point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #7 Posted February 3, 2017 Well, reviews seem bad, but yet the reviews on the Dunkek where bad too and its among the best tier 6 ships in the game. I guess ill get her, just because of reasons and because i like ships that make struggle for my win. Might end up collecting dust in port thou too like the Warspite which i hate, or the Ichizuchi which is just as bad .. I've taken my Warspite to a 15 points captain. Don't use her much recently. Can't see myself getting this. If only WG made a late war Haruna. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] ApesTogetherStronK [SCRUB] Players 1,074 posts Report post #8 Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Can't see myself getting this. If only WG made a late war Haruna. Aircraft? Omnomnom. I'd also like to see a 1945 Haruna with her insane AA and vastly improved FCS over the version currently in game for the Kongos. Tier 6 would be fine for her I think, with appropriate dispersion buffs, though not necessarily shell buffs if the dispersion is at Arizona or better levels. Edited February 3, 2017 by Reaper_JackGBR 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #9 Posted February 3, 2017 Aircraft? Omnomnom. I'd also like to see a 1945 Haruna with her insane AA and vastly improved FCS over the version currently in game for the Kongos. Tier 6 would be fine for her I think, with appropriate dispersion buffs, though not necessarily shell buffs if the dispersion is at Arizona or better levels. That would be all she needs to mix it up in T6 yes. Would still have excellent speed and guns would be competent with decent FCS. I'd pay decent £ too and not wait for big discounts. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[PRAVD] Takeda92 Weekend Tester 3,802 posts 8,478 battles Report post #10 Posted February 4, 2017 Flamu didn't show what a carrier can do to you though Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #11 Posted February 4, 2017 Flamu didn't show what a carrier can do to you though Doesn't need a huge amount of imagination. Any T7 or T8 CV is going to demolish this thing. Shokaku coming for you lol... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Szatanshow Beta Tester 150 posts 2,626 battles Report post #12 Posted February 4, 2017 I start to see a patern here: Mikasa - joke isizuchi (or whatever its called) - just meh Mutsu - meh Why is Wg trying to make IJN ships totaly useles?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Corvi Beta Tester, In AlfaTesters 1,147 posts 16,279 battles Report post #13 Posted February 4, 2017 Doesn't need a huge amount of imagination. Any T7 or T8 CV is going to demolish this thing. Shokaku coming for you lol... You mean every Tier 5+ carrier is going to demolish it. A Bogue can basically nearly sink it in one torp run, if not completely cripple it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ferry_25 Players 4,392 posts 12,107 battles Report post #14 Posted February 4, 2017 Interesting ship. in my case I don't mind the overtiered problem. Feeling perfectly fine an a support role as I don't have any ambition to be the Kraken/ confederate collector super hero every time. Damaging higher tiers is only giving more profit. The bad AA? Like I care: when a good CV has put his/ her eyes on you he'll wreck or cripple you anyway. The only difference is how many planes you take with you. With good situation awareness and maneuvering it's doable to mitigate the damage in most cases. Also I actually like glass canon ships. Having a blast in my Molotov games. Speed is essential for those ships and Mutsu has been given that (for BB standards). My only con argument is "Shards." T6 seems to be sentenced for that abomination of a map. I loath that map and always have the high urge to take my loss and head back to port straight away, finding myself during the battle wishing I had in 95% of the cases. Every time the same dull song: trying to play my role, only to find myself being focused out while the rest of the team is hiding behind the island groups as far away from the objectives as possible. I am looking for a decent BB IJN BB trainer (and a DD for that matter!) so I'll keep an eye to it. Probably wait until it's available for doubloons and in a Japanese focus weekend. Without Shards it would have been a no brainer for me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #15 Posted February 6, 2017 With Notser's preview now up, the overhead now covers what I believe to be the six most popular community contributors. Have I forgotten someone, or does anyone have any suggestions on whether someone else should be added? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[2DQT] RUSSIANBlAS Players 8,241 posts Report post #16 Posted February 6, 2017 You mean every Tier 5+ carrier is going to demolish it. A Bogue can basically nearly sink it in one torp run, if not completely cripple it. True, a staggered un harassed CV strike will kill the best of ships without support let alone this poor thing. I start to see a patern here: Mikasa - joke isizuchi (or whatever its called) - just meh Mutsu - meh Why is Wg trying to make IJN ships totaly useles?? I can see what WG are trying to do. Rather than give us clone or buffed ships (Texas and Arizona) they're under tiering and reinventing hull A ships for resale. It's an interesting concept but I doubt this thing will be a very good captain trainer. Whereas USN BB has the ships I've mentioned and the Trump Wagon which is pretty much as good as trainers get. Still waiting for a re vamped late war Kongo class... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #17 Posted February 6, 2017 I can see what WG are trying to do. Rather than give us clone or buffed ships (Texas and Arizona) they're under tiering and reinventing hull A ships for resale. It's an interesting concept but I doubt this thing will be a very good captain trainer. Whereas USN BB has the ships I've mentioned and the Trump Wagon which is pretty much as good as trainers get. Still waiting for a re vamped late war Kongo class... To be fair, that's not a terrible way of avoiding some of the more glaring stock grinds resulting from the tier placement of ships that were heavily upgraded during their lifetime (i.e. the capabilities of a single ship corresponding to several different tiers, depending on whether upgraded or not). Not saying I'd buy it, but I'd love to see the original Kongo back in the game in one form or another. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VC381 Players 2,928 posts 6,549 battles Report post #18 Posted February 6, 2017 I start to see a patern here: Mikasa - joke isizuchi (or whatever its called) - just meh Mutsu - meh Why is Wg trying to make IJN ships totaly useles?? They're giving us ships that are historically or visually interesting instead of just making OP premiums. If you don't like, don't buy. Not every premium needs to be "normal ship ++" and by definition it will make money and train captains even if you only do mediocre in it. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #19 Posted February 6, 2017 They're giving us ships that are historically or visually interesting instead of just making OP premiums. If you don't like, don't buy. Not every premium needs to be "normal ship ++" and by definition it will make money and train captains even if you only do mediocre in it. Agreed. I would hate it if WoWS was to become a game where premiums were the obvious and only way to go if you wanted to win. That would be pay to win in the purest sense. In fact, considering how the top of various ship leaderboards are plastered with premiums, such accusations are already hitting to close for comfort. Premiums are a good way of introducing ships which have are of particular historical or aesthetic interest which for some reason does not fit into the ordinary tech trees. They already have enough appeal (captain training, gold+xp earnings etc) for them not to need to be overpowered in battle as well. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[DREAD] 1MajorKoenig Players 13,110 posts 7,885 battles Report post #20 Posted February 6, 2017 Not to forget that premium down tiered ships are currently the only way to get something for the dreadnought appreciation enthusiasts ! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheOneAndOnlyGoldstein Alpha Tester 474 posts 816 battles Report post #21 Posted February 6, 2017 But it brings enough shells down range without exposing any major weakspot so it got that going at least. What i see fromt he reviews is that they need to fix the deck armor and make torps at least twice as powerful, or give them a very short reload time. In the meantime also fix Fuso and Nagato (not sure about Izumo though, haven't checked) and revert the deck armor nerf. Now the aforementioned ships got 32mm of armor, which means a damn Belfast with IFHE can pen the deck. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #22 Posted February 17, 2017 The Mutsu has been released, and is on sale in the web shop. I've updated the original post with additional reviews. I'm not aware of any changes made to the ship from the preview version, beyond the RoF buff that some of the CCs were talking about. Anmyone who could confirm or correct this? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SCRUB] T0byJug Quality Poster 5,358 posts 25,539 battles Report post #23 Posted February 17, 2017 The Mutsu has been released, and is on sale in the web shop. I've updated the original post with additional reviews. I'm not aware of any changes made to the ship from the preview version, beyond the RoF buff that some of the CCs were talking about. Anmyone who could confirm or correct this? according to https://gamemodels3d.com ROF 30secs Also supposed to have faster turret traverse and rudder but according to above Turret traverse is slower at 47.3 secs for 180’ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,178 battles Report post #24 Posted February 17, 2017 I start to see a patern here: Mikasa - joke isizuchi (or whatever its called) - just meh Mutsu - meh Why is Wg trying to make IJN ships totaly useles?? The Ishizuchi is good, but not for everyone. Mine sails fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[OLDG] Verence196 Players 313 posts 7,457 battles Report post #25 Posted February 17, 2017 For a given value of meh. It sounds pretty much like a variation on the Warspite to me, and I really enjoy my British guns. =) I'm not convinced premiums need to be all that good. There are plenty of other good reasons to buy them (captain training, improved credit and xp income among the most obvious ones). Premiums that are too powerful or have limited available counterplay strategies (the Belfast comes to mind. =p) do not make the game better. They just provoke increasing levels of frustration among those that meet them in battle. In short - why do people clamor for overpowered premiums one minute, and then complain loudly about p2w the next? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
