Nations

[EIGHTBALL111]

could we have nation versus nation German ships versus american ships

[dasCKD]

Just join a clan and have a training room match.

[dasCKD]

It's also not fair on the Germans. The Americans have carriers, which are admittedly playing second fiddle to the IJN. Even so, the advantages of a team with a carrier compared to a team without is simply too vast.

[mtm78]

could we have nation versus nation German ships versus american ships

 

National battles were removed from WoT with a good reason.

 

But maybe we can get some 'semi historical' campaigns in PvE setting, that would be nice

[steviln]

National battles were removed from WoT with a good reason.

 

Guess they were removed because they clearly showed how unbalanced the tanks really were. 

[peoplescavalry]

At every single tier the German BBs are superior to the poor old USA, it would be no contest unfortunately.

[mtm78]

 

Guess they were removed because they clearly showed how unbalanced the tanks really were. 

 

German Jagdtiger and Tiger tanks vs T34's... even if the Russian tanks had far superior numbers, no one wanted to be the first guy in because you would die, always, without any doubt. You had to swarm the German tanks, just as in real life, and you would take heavy casualties, just as they did in real life. 

 

Result: everyone queued up in German tanks. 

 

Human psychology 101 I guess

 

As to applying this to WoWs, fleet's normally would only engage if they had a clear advantage. No nation committed to 'fair fights' and rightly so So as I said, I think the only way to implement historical engagements would be in PvE scenario's and I think WG has said to be working on those

[steviln]

German Jagdtiger and Tiger tanks vs T34's... even if the Russian tanks had far superior numbers, no one wanted to be the first guy in because you would die, always, without any doubt. You had to swarm the German tanks, just as in real life, and you would take heavy casualties, just as they did in real life. 

 

 

 

Result: everyone queued up in German tanks. 

 

 

 

Human psychology 101 I guess

 

 

 

As to applying this to WoWs, fleet's normally would only engage if they had a clear advantage. No nation committed to 'fair fights' and rightly so So as I said, I think the only way to implement historical engagements would be in PvE scenario's and I think WG has said to be working on those

 

Do you seriously compare a T-34 to a Jagdtiger? Two things makes your argument invalid. T-34 was a medium tank, the Jagdtiger a TD and the Tiger a heavy tank. The german equivalent to the T-34 would be the Panzer IV and the russian equivalent to the Tiger would be the KV-1 or IS-2. The second thing is that WOT had the tanks tiered in such a way that the german tanks at one tier was often a year older than the same on the russian and american trees, so that german Panthers faced T-44 or Pershing tanks and the Tigers met IS-2 and similar. Compared to a T29 or a IS-3 the King Tiger is not overpowered. 

 

No fleet may have wished to have fair fights, but a lot of naval battles actually were pretty fair. If you look at the pacific the naval battles of the Coral see, Midway and the carriere battles around Guaducanal were fairly balanced where both sides could have won, and those battles often had varied and tight outcomes. It was not until the Battle of the Phillipine Sea that the americans started to massacre the japanese. 

[aboomination]

Do you seriously compare a T-34 to a Jagdtiger

 

No he doesn't. He just knows wtf he's talking about, and that's historical battle mode in WoT, back in 2013 I think.

[mtm78]

 

Do you seriously compare a T-34 to a Jagdtiger? Two things makes your argument invalid. T-34 was a medium tank, the Jagdtiger a TD and the Tiger a heavy tank. The german equivalent to the T-34 would be the Panzer IV and the russian equivalent to the Tiger would be the KV-1 or IS-2. The second thing is that WOT had the tanks tiered in such a way that the german tanks at one tier was often a year older than the same on the russian and american trees, so that german Panthers faced T-44 or Pershing tanks and the Tigers met IS-2 and similar. Compared to a T29 or a IS-3 the King Tiger is not overpowered. 

 

No fleet may have wished to have fair fights, but a lot of naval battles actually were pretty fair. If you look at the pacific the naval battles of the Coral see, Midway and the carriere battles around Guaducanal were fairly balanced where both sides could have won, and those battles often had varied and tight outcomes. It was not until the Battle of the Phillipine Sea that the americans started to massacre the japanese. 

 

 

No he doesn't. He just knows wtf he's talking about, and that's historical battle mode in WoT, back in 2013 I think.

 

I should just ignore everything he writes, it's constant the same 'quality' of responses he gives

[praetor_jax]

 

German Jagdtiger and Tiger tanks vs T34's... even if the Russian tanks had far superior numbers, no one wanted to be the first guy in because you would die, always, without any doubt. You had to swarm the German tanks, just as in real life, and you would take heavy casualties, just as they did in real life. 

 

Result: everyone queued up in German tanks. 

 

Human psychology 101 I guess

 

As to applying this to WoWs, fleet's normally would only engage if they had a clear advantage. No nation committed to 'fair fights' and rightly so So as I said, I think the only way to implement historical engagements would be in PvE scenario's and I think WG has said to be working on those

 

I think he meant the "confrontation" battles, not the historical battles.

[moomoo2]

 

Do you seriously compare a T-34 to a Jagdtiger? Two things makes your argument invalid. 

Don't reply to things you know nothing about. 

 

All that shows is:

Get confused at your inability to read, but laugh at your ability to write nonsense.

[mtm78]

 

I think he meant the "confrontation" battles, not the historical battles.

 

Good point. Confrontation aka ' what if ' battles off nation vs nation could be ' fun '. Did you guys see OMNI-Freedom vs OMNI-Masochists game where they did USN vs IJN? Wasn't 100% serious and some balancing issues would surely arise but it was entertaining to watch  

[Xevious_Red]

WoT had 2 attempts. Both were crap.

 

One was "historical" where one team had a tiger + smaller tanks vs an IS + smaller tanks (t-34 etc).

Mode was a failure because 200 people queued to be the tiger/IS and noone queued to be the fodder.

 

Second one was nation vs nation with normal MM.

Mode was a failure because it was totally R/P/S. The US team that consisted of 15x hellcats always won open maps. The RU team of 15x pre nerf KV-1s always won city maps.

[steviln]

 

No he doesn't. He just knows wtf he's talking about, and that's historical battle mode in WoT, back in 2013 I think.

 

That is what I do. The T-34 and Jagdtiger were not the same tier and not the same class in the game. 

[steviln]

I think he meant the "confrontation" battles, not the historical battles.

 

I remember incorrectly, and thought "confrontation" was named "national battles". I was not referring to historical battles. 

[aboomination]

WoT had 2 attempts. Both were crap.

 

One was "historical" where one team had a tiger + smaller tanks vs an IS + smaller tanks (t-34 etc).

Mode was a failure because 200 people queued to be the tiger/IS and noone queued to be the fodder.

 

Second one was nation vs nation with normal MM.

Mode was a failure because it was totally R/P/S. The US team that consisted of 15x hellcats always won open maps. The RU team of 15x pre nerf KV-1s always won city maps.

 

15 x T29 also always won, regardless the map 

[moomoo2]

 

That is what I do. The T-34 and Jagdtiger were not the same tier and not the same class in the game. 

No crapSherlock.

 

Try understanding the concept of the game mode.

[Exocet6951]

 

That is what I do. The T-34 and Jagdtiger were not the same tier and not the same class in the game. 

 

Doesn't really change the fact that they were BOTH available in a given battle of the historical gamemode.

As were stock ISUs and IS-2s for the Russians.

 

The result?

8 JTs and Tiger 2s vs 10-12 ISUs.

Historical battles. 

Much History

Such battles

Wow

 

 

In this game, it would be even worse, seeing as some nations aren't even fully fleshed out.

KM vs RN?

Everyone would queue in as Bismarcks, and no one on the British side would have any choice other than the highest tier CL they have.

 

USN vs IJN ?

Everyone would want to play Yamato or Iowa, no one would want to play USN cruisers, since it's Historical battles, the highest tier cruiser would be the Mogami/Atago, and good luck hunting down scores of Fletchers in those.

And absolutely no one would want to play the lower tier ships, because **** using a Tenryu or Kuma to fight tier7-9 ships.

So you would have 8 Iowas and 4 Fletchers fighting 6 Yammies, 5 Atagos and one poor soul in a Fubuki who misclicked and wanted to play Atago.

[Elenortirion]

 

That is what I do. The T-34 and Jagdtiger were not the same tier and not the same class in the game. 

 

and he didn't treated them like they were if you gave any thought to what he has written

 

even if you were refering to different attempt of "historical battles" in WoT he did refeered to the one he did and made a point

 

and coming with this back to ships - the national flavour WG strives so much to keep makes in quite a few cases lines being too much disbalanced between the nations making such a mode impossible to get balanced out properly, meaning that WG will never risk such a failure....

 

unless they will beforehand make few major rebalancing updates, which I find just as unlikely....

[steviln]

Doesn't really change the fact that they were BOTH available in a given battle of the historical gamemode.

 

As said, I thought he was referring to confrontation rather than historical battles. He himself used neither "confrontation" nor "historical" but "national", and I thought more of "confrontation" as "national" battles rather than "historical". 

[steviln]

and he didn't treated them like they were if you gave any thought to what he has written

 

He used the word "national", and not the correct names of either "confrontation" and "historical". In such a circumstance, misunderstandings easily appear. 

[moomoo2]

 

He used the word "national", and not the correct names of either "confrontation" and "historical". In such a circumstance, misunderstandings easily appear. 

Writing nonsense about the real life tanks isn't doing you any favours, misunderstanding or not.

 

Real Panther met Pershing.

Real Tiger met IS-2.

 

You truly need to read things twice before commenting.

[steviln]

Writing nonsense about the real life tanks isn't doing you any favours, misunderstanding or not.

 

What do you claim is nonsense?

[moomoo2]

 

What do you claim is nonsense?

Do you seriously compare a T-34 to a Jagdtiger? Two things makes your argument invalid. T-34 was a medium tank, the Jagdtiger a TD and the Tiger a heavy tank. The german equivalent to the T-34 would be the Panzer IV and the russian equivalent to the Tiger would be the KV-1 or IS-2. The second thing is that WOT had the tanks tiered in such a way that the german tanks at one tier was often a year older than the same on the russian and american trees, so that german Panthers faced T-44 or Pershing tanks and the Tigers met IS-2 and similar. Compared to a T29 or a IS-3 the King Tiger is not overpowered. 

 

No fleet may have wished to have fair fights, but a lot of naval battles actually were pretty fair. If you look at the pacific the naval battles of the Coral see, Midway and the carriere battles around Guaducanal were fairly balanced where both sides could have won, and those battles often had varied and tight outcomes. It was not until the Battle of the Phillipine Sea that the americans started to massacre the japanese. 

 

 

That.

 

The battle of the Philippine sea was more training and equipment rather than numbers.

The US Navy didn't just throw numbers at the Japanese. They threw well trained crews in with much better equipment.

 

IS-2 did meet Tigers.

Pershing did meet Panthers.