Titan_net Players 120 posts Report post #1 Posted January 27, 2017 Is it just me or are there a lot more carriers around lately? I find it extremely annoying because i can survive a chance meet with enemy destroyers or even fleets (smoke, evasive action).. but more often than not i get killed or >50% damaged when running across bomber squadrons. It is especially ridiculus in the germann dds that can't even evade torpedo bombers. But even Akizuki can go buy candy with its AA rating when a single T8 dive bomber squad can hit it for 3/4 of its health. What am I doing wrong? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #2 Posted January 27, 2017 (edited) Not staying with your buddies. If a CV catches you alone, you deserve to be punished. If you absolutely need to contest caps alone ask your own CV for air cover and smoke up as soon as you see planes closing in (be sure to spread the smoke a little though), at any other time stick close to your team. There's little reason to be off alone in a DD when you're not doing the former. Community Coordinator Crysantos has made a statement regarding CVs over on the German forums. It was in response to a disgruntled DD player that got hit by a CV early and therefore wants CVs nerfed. Rough translation of relevant text: It's very difficult to achieve CV balance in the game, because a CV has to be able to engage solo and multiple targets - but to demand to "fix" CVs by nerfing them is not expedient. The situation would be similar if the DD had approached a DD-killer like the Cleveland and got spotted - the keywords are lack of situational awareness. If you know there is a high-tier CV in the game, you have to adapt and play together with your team and your own friendly CV. DDs can also do something against bombers - through skillful maneuvering, except when the CV is a Hakuryu, which commits 3 torp squads. You can also use Def AA as a US DD - otherwise the only thing that helps is coordination with cruisers and BBs with strong AA. But CVs are far from overpowered, as it was the case at the beginning of OBT - on the contrary due to the many adjustments to loadouts, etc. many newcomers especially have difficulty getting comfortable with the class. Die CV Balance im Spiel zu erreichen ist sehr schweirig, da ein CV gegen Einzelziele und mehrere Ziele funktionieren soll - aber hier zu fordern CVs zu "fixen" im Sinne des Verschlechterns ist nicht zielführend. Die Situation wäre ähnlich gelagert, würde der DD sich einem DD-Killer wie der Cleveland nähern und gespotted werden - das Stichwort ist mangelndes Situationsbewusstsein. Wenn du dir bewusst bist, dass ein hochstufiger Träger im Spiel ist, musst du dich anpassen und mit deinem Team und freundlichen CV zusammen agieren. Er kann schon etwas gegen die Bomber tun - durch geschicktes Manövrieren, außer der Flugzeugträger ist eine Hakyryu, die drei Torpedobomberstaffeln fokusiert. Als US DD kann man auch das defensive Flakfeuer als Verbrauchsgut nutzen - ansonsten hilft Teamarbeit und Koordination mit den eigenen Kreuzern und AA-starken Schlachtschiffen. Aber CVs sind weit davon entfernt viel zu stark zu sein, wie das zu Beginn der OBT der Fall war - durch die vielen Anpassungen der Setups, usw. fällt es im Gegenteil insbesondere Neulingen schwer mit der Klasse warm zu werden. Edited January 27, 2017 by El2aZeR Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[-SBG-] ColonelPete Players 38,559 posts 19,140 battles Report post #3 Posted January 27, 2017 I suggest to be a bit more interested in the game, then you would know what is going on... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #4 Posted January 28, 2017 Give all DDs "Defensive AA". Period. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CR33D] iiDutchy Players 126 posts 22,393 battles Report post #5 Posted January 28, 2017 Give all DDs "Defensive AA". Period. As a CV player i disagree , since its already quite a job no manualy drop bombs on those little ships , specialy with IJN CV's since the dropcircle is a lot smaller. If you give then defensive AA cooldown , don't even bother going after dd's with your bombers , because a tiny ship like that , in a circel that big ? Good luck hitting something. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YKING] shamelesscreature Players 1,202 posts 8,169 battles Report post #6 Posted January 28, 2017 As a CV player i disagree , since its already quite a job no manualy drop bombs on those little ships , specialy with IJN CV's since the dropcircle is a lot smaller. If you give then defensive AA cooldown , don't even bother going after dd's with your bombers , because a tiny ship like that , in a circel that big ? Good luck hitting something. You could wait until defensive AA runs out - only 30 seconds on all DDs that currently have the consumable - and strike them after that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #7 Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) As a CV player i disagree , since its already quite a job no manualy drop bombs on those little ships , specialy with IJN CV's since the dropcircle is a lot smaller. If you give then defensive AA cooldown , don't even bother going after dd's with your bombers , because a tiny ship like that , in a circel that big ? Good luck hitting something. DAA is a must for DDs even if it didn't manage to kill enemy planes. DDs are easily torn apart especially in high tiers by TPs and DBs without that consumable. You could wait until defensive AA runs out - only 30 seconds on all DDs that currently have the consumable - and strike them after that... By that time DDs will be running away and covered by allied ships AA. DAA is a 1st mean of defense before rejoining the fleet again. Edited January 28, 2017 by ABED1984 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[CG] Redcap375 Players 4,371 posts 15,291 battles Report post #8 Posted January 28, 2017 Why not just give them CL/BB level AA and be done with it? At least we have forts to bomb on bastion. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TNG] TheCoolBird Players 136 posts 2,171 battles Report post #9 Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) I have had noticed more carriers when I've played my destroyers, kept spotting me and I'm not always in a position where I can just turn around. I'm trying to get used to moving back if I have too, not always something I do. If enemy planes are heading in, it's probably time to head back to friendly ships for some AA coverage. It does become annoying when constantly spotted, and half the enemy team is on me. My troubles just come from the fighters that circle me like vultures. Edited January 28, 2017 by TheCoolBird Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[YKING] shamelesscreature Players 1,202 posts 8,169 battles Report post #10 Posted January 28, 2017 By that time DDs will be running away and covered by allied ships AA. DAA is a 1st mean of defense before rejoining the fleet again. And it's fine that way. CVs do not need the ability to instantly delete every ship that doesn't camp in a blob all game. Especially DDs that don't have the range to do anything under such circumstances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #11 Posted January 28, 2017 DAA is a must for DDs even if it didn't manage to kill enemy planes. DDs are easily torn apart especially in high tiers by TPs and DBs without that consumable. By that time DDs will be running away and covered by allied ships AA. DAA is a 1st mean of defense before rejoining the fleet again. There are also smoke and wasd hack. But is seams braindead zombies wanna instant win "t skill button" It is good wg laughts in their face and slops them back in the face with constant dd nerfs 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TEPES] VeteranGamer84 Players 1,314 posts 52,321 battles Report post #12 Posted January 28, 2017 (edited) There are also smoke and wasd hack. But is seams braindead zombies wanna instant win "t skill button" It is good wg laughts in their face and slops them back in the face with constant dd nerfs You mean a smoke that I still have damn enemy planes over my head waiting for the smoke to fade out and then attack me? Or maybe manual torp or getting torped by enemy DDs in smoke aswell?? You just need to shut up and think before you write your damn idiot post! Edited January 28, 2017 by ABED1984 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #13 Posted January 28, 2017 You mean a smoke that I still have damn enemy planes over my head waiting for the smoke to fade out and then attack me? Or maybe manual torp or getting torped by enemy DDs in smoke aswell?? You just need to shut up and think before you write your damn idiot post! Cv touched you on your special place only momma can touch? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clipperz Players 9 posts 464 battles Report post #14 Posted January 28, 2017 There are not enough CV players just as I don't see lots of DD players. In few matches I will get 1 with CVs. That should give you an indicator how dire situation is for them. Only time ever you are going to see spike in CVs if there is some even or something going. To a DD worst thing CV can do is keep pinging your position. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #15 Posted January 28, 2017 You mean a smoke that I still have damn enemy planes over my head waiting for the smoke to fade out and then attack me? Or maybe manual torp or getting torped by enemy DDs in smoke aswell?? You just need to shut up and think before you write your damn idiot post! Ask your own CV for assistance then? Or is that too hard a blow to your pride? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[SHOT] Ace_Raptor Players 212 posts 3,727 battles Report post #16 Posted January 28, 2017 Ask your own CV for assistance then? Or is that too hard a blow to your pride? If that don't work I would advice him to back out and find the nearest CA (high AA prefered) As a CV player myself, even if I do manage to give air cover against the enemy planes, they gets locked with the enemy fighters... So people don't expect the CV in your team to provide air cover! please! stick to together is the best and safest way if you are afraid CV's Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[BONI] MoveZig Players 1,622 posts 20,823 battles Report post #17 Posted January 28, 2017 Isn't there a mission going on for CVs? And there was another one recently. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Titan_net Players 120 posts Report post #18 Posted January 28, 2017 Not staying with your buddies. If a CV catches you alone, you deserve to be punished. If you absolutely need to contest caps alone ask your own CV for air cover and smoke up as soon as you see planes closing in (be sure to spread the smoke a little though), at any other time stick close to your team. I guessed as much.. not being completely stupid ( or so I like to belive) I have several objections: Staying with my buddies -> our team doesn't cap and no one has any idea where the enemy is. Asking CV for air cover -> might as well ask bbs not to camp smoke up as soon as i see planes -> Sometimes yes.. sometimes no (difficult to time, no idea who else is comming, DBs may just wait, TBs may just delete me even easier etc) There's little reason to be off alone in a DD when you're not doing the former. Seriously? That may work for Gunboats.. but Torpedo DDs? If I want to have some chance of Torpedoing an enemy BB.. lets say at 9km or so.. how am I supposed to be near friendly AA? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[TORAZ] El2aZeR Beta Tester 15,786 posts 26,801 battles Report post #19 Posted January 28, 2017 As a CV player myself, even if I do manage to give air cover against the enemy planes, they gets locked with the enemy fighters... The enemy CV should pull back his bombers at least when he sees your fighters coming, that's his cue to run. If I want to have some chance of Torpedoing an enemy BB.. lets say at 9km or so.. how am I supposed to be near friendly AA? It's not that hard, even with torp DDs. You can always assume a forward position but still be close enough to run if you see planes on the horizon, I'm obviously not telling you to camp behind all your cruisers and BBs just to avoid air strikes. I certainly have no problems with it playing DDs. In addition to that, a BB that's fighting your teammates will be less likely to pay attention, raising your chances to hit him with torps. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Titan_net Players 120 posts Report post #20 Posted January 28, 2017 15JG52Adler, on 28 January 2017 - 05:17 PM, said: If you read my post again you may see that I don't want to "instant win", but detest to "instant lose" just because I randomly crossed path with the enemy bomber group. And I hate the idea of CVs being the No 1 counter to dds. Might as well play World of Random Pixels. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clipperz Players 9 posts 464 battles Report post #21 Posted January 28, 2017 Hmm I always thought cruisers are No 1 counter Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Culiacan_Mexico Players 2,844 posts 14,993 battles Report post #22 Posted January 28, 2017 Community Coordinator Crysantos - ...to "fix" CVs by nerfing them is not expedient... When did WG change this policy? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #23 Posted January 28, 2017 15JG52Adler, on 28 January 2017 - 05:17 PM, said: If you read my post again you may see that I don't want to "instant win", but detest to "instant lose" just because I randomly crossed path with the enemy bomber group. And I hate the idea of CVs being the No 1 counter to dds. Might as well play World of Random Pixels. Hitting dd in move takes skill. And bombers are great rng. Somwtimes perfect drop with 21 bombs gives you 1-2 hit = 2 or 3k dmg. On other heand presing T button and becoming imune for 40 sec is retard. And should only one class have it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[LCM] Vince_lempaleur Players 4 posts 3,298 battles Report post #24 Posted January 28, 2017 pressing T and become imune? ...pressing T and attract torps,radar etc.. with ur CV you hide at the bottom of the map and deal your damage... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[FJAKA] WingedHussar_Adler [FJAKA] Players 2,871 posts 16,001 battles Report post #25 Posted January 28, 2017 pressing T and become imune? ...pressing T and attract torps,radar etc.. with ur CV you hide at the bottom of the map and deal your damage... You know cv deals dmg with his plane so it is on frontline And dont be jolous. Sometime you will also deal dmg. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
