Tier X Soviet Destroyer Grozovoi

[1MajorKoenig]

For me, Grozovoi is very meh.

 

Why? She looks rather capable just looking at the stats?

[avenger121]

Better torpedo boat is very questionable , very long CD on torps and very low damage is not a trait of a torpedo boat

 

You have been wrong on the AP dmg, and you are wrong again. A correctly skilled Udaloi has 8km detection and only 8km torps, while the Gorozovoi can always stealth torp with her 10km torps. Also the torp reload on the Gorozovoi is a few seconds faster than the Gearing/Shima.

 

The thing is we already have a hybrid line that is superior in torpedo armament, stealth, maneuverability, smoke duration and arguably in gunnery. Aside from the AA I see little reason to play a Grozovoi over, say, a Fletcher. Then again I wonder why the RU DD line needs a hybrid line in the first place, so maybe I'm just biased.

Fletcher/Gearing doest even come close to the performance of the Gorozovoi guns.

 

You want a more torp heavy hybrid, take the Fletcher/Gearing, you want a more gun heavy hybrid, take the Gorozovoi. The USN DDs have no chance at all in a direct gun duel.

[Darth_Glorious]

For me, Grozovoi is very meh.

 

It doesn't have good soft stats.

It bleeds so much speed when turning and the deck is huge so it is easy to get shot at.

[cro_pwr]

 

Zao is not really known for AA, her AA is okayish but she really isnt a AA cruiser. The Gorozovoi has at best 59% of the AA DPS the Zao and you call it the same level.

 

Why dont you go to your employer and tell him you want this year a salary on the same level as last year, and by this you mean 59% of your last year´s salary. FFS you act like 1320 and 2236 are close together.

 

 

Also CVs are still the best ships to carry match and since this game revolves around winning, they are still the strongest class. Believing the carrier rebalance is not about bugfixes and economy but about performance buffs is stupid búllshit. If anything CVs need to be nerfed to the same level as other classes when it comes to carry a game. Less spotting, less dmg, and less survivability.

 

 

I am calling them the same level, and here you are explaining to me that every f***ing guy has fully AA specced Zao because thats just the way you spec the Zao nowadays. Whenever I see the Zao in the game, first thing I think of is god, look at this cruiser, having all the skill points, and all the modules put into her AA, because that is what this ship is really all about!

Or not...

So yea, your math is "a bit" off, but doesn't matter. I've got the point, you can spec Zao to have better AA then DD. Damn.

 

Once again, if you think that destroyer that can drop down planes like flies, while being unspotted is fine, thats completely different story, but I don't...

I simply don't think that at this point game needs something like this...

 

[mtm78]

Well... all I want to say is that I am looking forward to this DD

 

Btw, as I said before, Flamu still hasn't broken stranger123's 64 plane kill Gearing record, so if this ship is broken with AAA how about an AAA specced Gearing

[El2aZeR]

The USN DDs have no chance at all in a direct gun duel.

 

In a direct duel, no. But you have the stealth to force the Grozovoi (and almost any other DD) into a knife fight, which you will inevitably win.

[VeteranGamer84]

That T10 DD would've been my next unlock if I had the Yamato. I have now 131,730 free xp and I'm half way to unlocking that Battleship.

 

 

[cro_pwr]

Well... all I want to say is that I am looking forward to this DD

 

Btw, as I said before, Flamu still hasn't broken stranger123's 64 plane kill Gearing record, so if this ship is broken with AAA how about an AAA specced Gearing

 

But strangers allready did some 61 plane kills in this one IIRC, so hes getting pretty close of breaking his record

[avenger121]

 

I am calling them the same level, and here you are explaining to me that every f***ing guy has fully AA specced Zao because thats just the way you spec the Zao nowadays. Whenever I see the Zao in the game, first thing I think of is god, look at this cruiser, having all the skill points, and all the modules put into her AA, because that is what this ship is really all about!

Or not...

So yea, your math is "a bit" off, but doesn't matter. I've got the point, you can spec Zao to have better AA then DD. Damn.

Once again, if you think that destroyer that can drop down planes like flies, while being unspotted is fine, thats completely different story, but I don't...

I simply don't think that at this point game needs something like this...

 

 

How often do you see CVs? How often will CVs drop ships that have DFAA? The Gorozovoi will be dropped about as often as CVs try to drop Zaos or Gearings, therefore people will have the same focus on AA builds. Full AA Gorozovoi build, is pretty much wasted potential.

 

In a direct duel, no. But you have the stealth to force the Grozovoi (and almost any other DD) into a knife fight, which you will inevitably win.

 

Instantly turn away, above 7km the Gearing cant trade even with you, and since he is spotted for another 20s you have the chance to make up for the initial HP you lost when he jumped at you. The same thing you do with the Udaloi/Khaba [although the Khaba doesnt reallly need to, still no reason to shorten the torpedo reaction time and not reduce the dmg you take].

 

This is only dangerous when you dont have the spare 3-4k HP, if you are willing to sacrifice a smoke you can reduce dmg taken even further.

[cro_pwr]

 

How often do you see CVs? How often will CVs drop ships that have DFAA? The Gorozovoi will be dropped about as often as CVs try to drop Zaos or Gearings, therefore people will have the same focus on AA builds. Full AA Gorozovoi build, is pretty much wasted potential.

 

 

What the hell are you even talking about?

To spec something like Zao into somewhat good AA cruiser, you have to switch out half of your skills and modules to buff your AA.

To spec Grozovoi to have such an insane AA you have to sacrifice 0.5 sec reload on your main guns... Thats HUGE...

[El2aZeR]

Instantly turn away

 

If Gearing can chase you're gonna be within 7km a long long time. That doesn't even take into account that he's gonna get the jump on you every time, not to mention the devastating frequency you might lose modules due to hilarious rof. But I guess we can discuss this for all eternity and not come to a consensus.

 

But regardless, Grozovoi doesn't particularly strike me as a useful gunboat as she lacks range, maneuverability and stealth fire. She's gonna get lit up every time she doesn't sit in smoke, which in turn makes her vulnerable to torps.

[avenger121]

What the hell are you even talking about?

To spec something like Zao into somewhat good AA cruiser, you have to switch out half of your skills and modules to buff your AA.

To spec Grozovoi to have such an insane AA you have to sacrifice 0.5 sec reload on your main guns... Thats HUGE...

 

How often will you really profit from AAGM3? As I said, it is wasted potential to not take MBM3, also the question is if you really have 4 spare points for MAA.

 

I dont even know why we are discussing, the Gorozovoi pretty much does what you could already do with the Gearing. Russian ships will most likely still be pretty rare and the Shimakaze will still represent the majority of T10 DDs. [2 month EU: Shima 263k matches/Gearing 170k matches/Khaba 47k matches]

 

But muh high tier AA too strong, buff CVs.

 

 

If Gearing can chase you're gonna be within 7km a long long time. That doesn't even take into account that he's gonna get the jump on you every time, not to mention the devastating frequency you might lose modules due to hilarious rof. But I guess we can discuss this for all eternity and not come to a consensus.

 

If he really wants you, then you can still smoke and escape, also T1 must have skill for DDs - PM.

 

But regardless, Grozovoi doesn't particularly strike me as a useful gunboat as she lacks range, maneuverability and stealth fire. She's gonna get lit up every time she doesn't sit in smoke, which in turn makes her vulnerable to torps.

As vulnerable as the Khaba, although the Gorzovoi´s turning circle is a bit smaller and rudder shift is better.

 

With my Udaloi/Khaba I am constantly bouncing between 10 and 13km, using smoke to get even closer and ram AP into broadsides. With the Gorozovoi you will bounce between 10 and 12km and your AP pen is even better. It works pretty good. For the time you cant spam HE because focus fire is too heavy and you are not agile enough to realiably dodge, you make up with better torpedos.

[CatOnKeyboard]

WG: Akizuki will not get defensive fire consumable because we want to keep it an USN trait...

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WG adds defensive fire consumable to VMF DD's..

 

 

what do you expect

retarded russian biased belarusian company

 

[KaraMon]

But wait ? why would Gearing pick a fight at 7 km range with rusian railgun boat? you go into knife fight and beat it with sueprior DPM , just like you play Des Moines :p

 

And quick turn around ?

 

 

I know that this might be good support ship , but it is nowhere near of being a duelist DD that will have chances to fight either Kebab or Gearing

[cro_pwr]

 

How often will you really profit from AAGM3? As I said, it is wasted potential to not take MBM3, also the question is if you really have 4 spare points for MAA.

 

I dont even know why we are discussing, the Gorozovoi pretty much does what you could already do with the Gearing. Russian ships will most likely still be pretty rare and the Shimakaze will still represent the majority of T10 DDs. [2 month EU: Shima 263k matches/Gearing 170k matches/Khaba 47k matches]

 

But muh high tier AA too strong, buff CVs.

 

How often will you profit from it? Division with CV, and you will profit from it every game. Don't meet CV in game and you wasted 10% of your DPM... You will somehow manage...

And why are we discussing? Because its disgusting to watch. And because this game can go completely fine without radar BBs, radar DDs and insane AA DDs, cause well, you know, balance...

 

And its not really nice to see that you have some form of illness, and I fell sorry for you, hope you will get better if its possible, but I never asked for CV buff.

[avenger121]

And its not really nice to see that you have some form of illness, and I fell sorry for you, hope you will get better if its possible, but I never asked for CV buff.

 

Nah, I just made fun of your attitude regarding CVs. Deal by far the highest dmg, best scouts, highest survivability and by far the best class to win a match, yet you act like the world is ending because WG added a 2nd T10 DD with useable AA.

[El2aZeR]

you act like the world is ending because WG added a 2nd T10 DD with useable AA

 

More like the 5th new line with strong AA. With literally every new addition to the game AA just gets stronger and stronger, Grozovoi simply represents the current apex of AA power creep.

So yeah, the world is indeed kinda ending for CVs.

 

Also you're still not putting your "facts" into context.

[avenger121]

Also you're still not putting your "facts" into context.

 

Context? I though it would be quite obvious that AA performance and CV balancing are related together, if you didnt knew it, well you know it now.

 

More like the 5th new line with strong AA. With literally every new addition to the game AA just gets stronger and stronger, Grozovoi simply represents the current apex of AA power creep.

So yeah, the world is indeed kinda ending for CVs.

 

It is really the whole line that has great AA. Just look at the fearsome AA of the Ognevoi or the Udaloi.

 

Power creep? You mean WG is finally trying to balance CVs, unfortunately in small steps and over a long period of time, they still perform far too good and that since release. I wouldnt mind WG swinging the nerfhammer and bringing them into line with the other classes.

[El2aZeR]

Context? I though it would be quite obvious that AA performance and CV balancing are related together, if you didnt knew it, well you know it now.

 

No, what you're still ignoring is why CVs deal the most damage out of all classes. Hint: It's not because they're broken or OP in any way.

 

I wouldnt mind WG swinging the nerfhammer and bringing them into line with the other classes.

 

Still on about that despite demonstrations that it would be impossible, mh? I mean, I'd love to know how exactly you plan to "bring them into line with other classes" if you're willing to explain it in a separate thread. Personally I can't see it work, but hey, you might prove me wrong.

[cro_pwr]

 

Nah, I just made fun of your attitude regarding CVs. Deal by far the highest dmg, best scouts, highest survivability and by far the best class to win a match, yet you act like the world is ending because WG added a 2nd T10 DD with useable AA.

 

Look, if you want to make fun of anyones attitude regarding CVs, first try with yourself.

You are on a crusade against all CVs for a long time, and have no idea about the class, but you are disregarding every argument that people that are playing all the classes, and want to have balanced game because of your biased personal opinion.

So yea, there is that...

[KaraMon]

Avenger but problem is that USN DD have usable AA but only for self defence . Building them as pure AA ship is waste of time, resources . Now we get AA bastion designed as fleet defence . Hooray

[avenger121]

Look, if you want to make fun of anyones attitude regarding CVs, first try with yourself.

You are on a crusade against all CVs for a long time, and have no idea about the class, but you are disregarding every argument that people that are playing all the classes, and want to have balanced game because of your biased personal opinion.

So yea, there is that...

 

You mean playing advocatus diaboli and sperging against the whiny circlejerk of simple minded CVs apologists. I´ve had great fun so far. Arguments? All I have seen are some sad opinions and some made up fairy tales.

[Darth_Glorious]

Grozovoi  is too big, too sluggish and doesn't have Khaba troll armour. The torps are weak and have very high cooldown time. I reckon that except AA, Udaloi is better than this crap.

Compared to it, Khaba feels much more superior with the new repair party consummable and the new engine booster upgrade. You have about the same torps but much more firepower and survivability.

[VeteranGamer84]

Grozovoi  is too big, too sluggish and doesn't have Khaba troll armour. The torps are weak and have very high cooldown time. I reckon that except AA, Udaloi is better than this crap.

Compared to it, Khaba feels much more superior with the new repair party consummable and the new engine booster upgrade. You have about the same torps but much more firepower and survivability.

 

The best way to play the Grozovoi is with CV division. If you can't guarantee that you will face CVs then go with the Khabarovsk.

[mtm78]

WG said on reddit I think ( saw the quote here on forums ) that they will tone down the AAA on the top tiers..... 

 

Guess the whining helped? Idk why, not like they would be better as Gearing... they also said they are maybe looking at nerving Akizuki as it shoots down to many planes ( Akizuki was a darn purpose built AAA destroyer but it can't shoot down planes in this game... wow gg WG gg ).